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| Gala Ends Month of Morocco Related Events in Washington by WMC |
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This project had no official government sponsor; WMC was able to attract some sponsors including the Council of Moroccan Community Obroad, Ministry of Moroccan Expats, Agence Du Sud, in addition to other local backers like Mazda of Washington, Bank of America, but the WMC volunteers ended up by paying the rest of the cost from their own pockets.
The Moroccan Ambassador thanked the WMC for its unique accomplishment and said that the Moroccan American Community is a great potential to push the Moroccan American relations forward. Ms. Annalisa Assaadi, a volunteer and gala MC, handed the WMC community Awards to those that contributed to the success of the 20/20 event. Among the recipients were Ms. yasmine Hasnaoui of hmemsa for her leadership in the "Moroccan Educators and students in America" conference, Sir Charles Dahan on behalf of The High Atlas Foundation, Mr. Samir Labrini for the Moroccan Cuisine workshop, Mr. Mohamed Hajjam for his AV and media coverage of all of the 20/20 events, Ms. Barbara Ferris and Marta Dye for the women empowerment Conference, Dr. Aziz Abbassi and Driss BenMhend for the very successful Amazigh Culture Conference, Mr. Loudy and M. Youssefi for the "hassan Mandoun Memorial " Soccer Tournament, Ms. Touria bernousi for her leadership in the "Container of care" program, Mr. A. Elkhadiri president of the Moroccan Houston Society for his leadership in the Moroccan American relations Conference, Mr. Mohamed Dourrachad for the Media conference held at the National Press Club, Mr. Tim Resch for "the Friends of Morocco" Peace Corp. in Morocco conference, Mr. Jean Abinader for The Moroccan American Center Sponsorship, Mr. Brahim Rawi for Bank of America Sponsorship, Mr Boubker Mazoz of the Morocco-US Sister Cities Conference held at the World Bank, and others. Morocco Board News Service
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Keep morocco moroccan Many berbers who love islam have disagreed on this berber language thing.Arabic is essential to islam. I agree with morcelli 100%. Morocco strenghtened my religion greatly. I hope there wasnt alcohol served at this function,that might lead me to think this couldnt of been an affair for the family like children etc. |
myriam said
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... now, there is a true story about this american moroccan that operate big minnig rigs and heavy hauls , he broke the world record in british columbia wheight stations twice for the longest and the heaviest haul ever pulled by any human documented to alaska, all the way to kanut point , no mans land,now that's a true american moroccan ,one of a kind the best .by the way just for your info kanut point is about 375 miles north of fairbanks alaska. |
Aicha Bensaid Samrhouni
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A job well done! Yes indeed, I recongnize all the efforts and the energy and creativity that all the participants and members of the WMAC put together to create such successful Series of event. It was NOT only one, but 20/20 events through one month. Well, a lot of people can talk and keep talking and criticizing....but the bottom line, is that they cannot put their ideas into action and gather people together. Nevertheless, it was done and achieved by one Moroccan community who was willing to work for one common goal. I agree with someone who said: I think events such as these are very important, it brings people together, it gives the Moroccan immigrant a chance to feel home, to represent their cultural, educational and social background. So, we should be PROUD of this kind of events!! GOD BLESS Morocco and Moroccans... |
Morcelli
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... If you want to preserve your heritage, language, culture, and what have you, they want to do it in harmony with other cultures not on the back of it. My Amazigh friends below want to eliminate Arabic and make Amazigh the official language (talking about progress). go to Google for their web sites and you will see for yourself, they feel that Islam was the worst thing that happened to them due the Arab/islamic conquest. Their new weapon now is to tell us that they have Jewish genes and they are even equating the Arabic/Islamic conquest of north Africa as their holocaust. This have been a trend, As soon you open your month, you get accused of being an Arab racist, this is a vivid reminder that this was used by the Jews, anytime you say a thing about Jerusalem, the Palestinians, you are automatically portrayed as an antisemitic. This sounds weird and that I am hallucinating, I am not, It is a pattern. Amazigh in Morocco simply do not like Arabs, and this a is an undeniable fact. You would be foolish to deny it, and the attacks that I am subject to in this board a nothing but a clear reminder. Arabs are no angels either, they too do not like Amazigh, I do not need to mention how the Arabs portray Amazigh in Morocco. We are divided, since the beginning of time. The monarchy is the one reason, Arabs and Berbers did not kill each other as they are doing n Algeria For example, are you going to tell the Arabs? " Hey Arabs, I am going to remove your languages from being the official language and make Amazigh instead the official language" Imagine, Obama tells Americans " Hey cowboys, I am going to unofficial English and make Native American dialect the official language, de toute facon, you guys are just bunch of European colonizer" Amazigh people have every right to ask for their rights for instance our DEAR Moroccan authorities preventing people from naming their children amazigh names is a human right crime. Naming their children how they wish, does not take anything from anyone, does not make the Arabs the evils of Morocco. Amazigh villages in Morocco are forgotten by our dear authorities, Amazigh have every right to ask the Government of Morocco to start looking after them. But demonizing the Arabs and others to reach your goals does not cut it for me . Deep down, my Amazigh friends below know what I am talking about. |
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Proud Moroccan I do not know how the article about the gala turned into a heated exchange on the amazigh issue in Morocco. I wish this discussion took place during the Amazigh event on March 19. Unfortunately, it looks like most (or some) people who are commenting DID NOT BOTHER TO ATTEND.. For those I say: I wish you were the GW's School of International Studies on March 19 to be enlightened and gain more information and appreciation of your culture the Amazigh culture. You would of been a prouder Moroccan. I am not an expert in this field, but, I a passionate and avid advocate not just in preserving the Amazigh culture but to bring it to at least an EQUAL footing with Arabic which is consistent with Moroccan cultural and linguistic pluralism. This pluralism that indeed makes Morocco unique,is in a perfect harmony with the democratic values that we are longing for. This will also insure stability in our beloved country. I do not think that the age of CULTURAL alienation is over yet. The hostile “lobby” against Tamazight still prevails among few circles of influential (political) elites in Morocco. These people (like one of the commentator) claim to be acting in the name of the OUTDATED IDEA OF PRESERVING THE NATIONAL UNITY. … |
Morcelli
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... dhj...extremist sounds good but extremist in what? If you mean I am an extremist when defending the unity of Morocco, then you hit the nail on the head. "Unaware" that there are people who would whine about about a song, yes, you are right. I was unaware of that. Thank you DHJ! |
D.H.J.
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Morcelli Either Extremist or a Unaware? I am sorry to say that Morcelli is either an extremist or completely unaware of the implications of what he says and thinks. He makes no sense. |
Morcelli
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... Mr. Fares, That's not true. My initial comment was "Some Amazigh are using the holocaust as an excuse to get the sympathy of those who waste their time hearing them, a good example..........." See the word "Some"? Anyway. the reason I toned down my comments is simple, The good guys are also feeling targeted by these comments, and that's as you said, is dividing as you mentioned. But I do trust that most of people here understand where I am coming from. They want One Morocco, one people, one country, and I am not ashamed to say one king to keep the peace, we can argue about his palaces, about hiring his close friends, about his billions, but i think that keeping the peace is priceless. Moroccans understand that and that's the reason most of them love their king. Morocco is poor country but still managed to remain intact and united due to the king's presence. Amazigh situation is not as bad our friends below want us to believe. Amazigh are hard working people who help each other and are in much better situation than the Arabs. You don't have to have hard analyzed data to see this, as an example, you go to any supermarket in Casablanca, and I can guarantee you that you will not find an Arab owning the store. Go to any boulangerie, go any coffeshop, etc. and the result will be the same. Lastly and for those unhappy dividers out there, there will be no Berber song for you. Deal with it! or an Arab/berber like me will make you regret complaining about your ridiculous non sense. If you want berber song, I suggest to get yourself an Mp4, upload 4000 songs and dance for peace and union of our great country where no one is better than other illa bi taqwa. wa salamou 3alaykou. L |
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... I'm just waiting for a wise arab to tell Mr.morcelli stop it. He is staining their image and showing a great deal of racism and shortsightedness. I will stop here, not going to waiste my time with this kind of constipated mentality. |
fares marwane
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who is dividing? Morcelli, I can not follow you. please reread this and replace Amazigh by Morcelli: "Who cares if these Amazigh carry Jewish or Indians genes, We are not here to contest their DNA if they have one." your comments start by targeting all the Amazighs and now you moderate and isolate the troublemakers while keeping hurtful judgments on the Amazigh people. Who is dividing then? DNA studies are mentioned here just to reject to suspicious courses that we learnt at the primary school about Amazigh's origins and how school courses were, and may be still are, ideologically oriented. I do not support DNA studies if they are made to divide as well as I can tolerate falsified historical facts. No race is better than another. Otherwise, we will fall into Nazism. If you refer to Oufkir's plans as Amazigh and killer, someone would refer you to Bin Laden as Arab and killer as well and we will not stop there. It is like the wolf and the lamb fable "If it wasn't you, then it was your brother", the wolf said. Just to show you how you are dangerously mixing things. |
Morcelli
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... Sakah, If Oufkir had succeeded in killing Hassan II, would you have seen him bringing an Arab to be his right hand? Some things simply don't match. Do you think that the amazighs in this forum would work on uniting Morocco or give the goodies to the amazigh because they feel entitled. This is reality that the whole world knows. Everyone knows that Oufkir wanted to create an Amazigh republic, and you are right, he did massacre everyone, what do you expect a pyromaniac to do? Show King Hassan II that he sympathizes that the Rif population? Your oufkir was ready to do anything to create his republic including setting his own people on fire. Remember Saddam? He caused the death of hundreds of thousand of his own people? Do you think Oufkir would have been more loving and delicate? |
sakah
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... Oufkir had never had an amazigh agenda, instead he oppressed all kinds of amazigh revolts...be it in Rif or Atlas (moulay bouaaza). Let us keep the reccord straight Mr.Morcelli."marocanity" was right you are mixing up things to make a point. |
Morcelli
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... Who cares if these Amazigh carry jewish or indians genes, We are not here to contest their DNA if they have one. We are discussing SOME amazigh who never miss an opportunity to divide the country. Who always liken themselves to the Jews. Their hate for Morocco is unlike any other any thing i have seen or heard. For those Amazigh who feel Moroccan as anyone else, don't jump, because you probably feel more Moroccan than myself, I am specifically referring to the evil dividers, a good example see below. Some of us do not agree with some of the Kings actions, but the latest survey from Telquel/Le monde found that over 90% of Moroccans love their king and the reason is very simple. Morocco needs a king who eats, drinks and sleeps our unity to counter the descendants of oufkir who wanted to overthrow the monarchy. This seems unrelated, but if you open your mind, you will see that the correlation of Morocco's unity and its people is and will always be there. This may sound odd but of my favourite guy happen to be amazigh, The great Abdelmijid dolmy. and the amazigh dividers are: Maroc, la Commission Nationale de Coordination pour la Constitutionnalisation et l’Officialisation de Tamazight (CNCCOT) demande un etat laïque, fédéral avec Tamazight comme langue officielle. (agadir le 1 et 2 juillet 2006) Here is their web site, They are clearly against Arabic, read it and you will see what I am taking about, they want to move Morocco backward and they are against the monarchy: http://www.amazighworld.net/human_rights/morocco/index_show.php?Id=563 MB editor: please post and thank you. |
MacadamiaN
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... Plural Morocco, Thanks for taking the time to share with us your information about the origin of the native Moroccans. I promise I will do an extensive research on the subject. Question: In your post you mentioned that the Spaniards found a population of some blond-haired and blue-eyed people in the Canary Islands. It is a historical fact that Morocco was invaded by European forces way before the Arabs. So it is quite possible that these people are descendants of the Romans or may be even the Vandals. What do you think? I guess the question here is how we define the word “native”. I really believe it is quite relative, it depends on when we want the clock to start. |
Halima N
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Congratulations WMC 20 years of excellent job. Congratulations WMC 20 years of excellent job. Now I comprehend your slogan saying : We recognize with joy the values that we have in common, 20 years / 20 events in a single Month with amazing diverse events throughout the national capital , what an accomplishment ! We wish you a long life for another 20 years “et pourqoui pas “ |
Morcelli
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... Dear Hicham, I am also proud that you are proud to be Amazigh and Moroccan. The majority of Amazigh are not only proud to be Moroccan but just like yourself, want Morocco to be unified. No one can shake their love for the country, no one can fool them to think that the Arabs and others are the wrong doers. I don't have hard statistics but the majority of the Moroccan armed forces happen to be amazigh. I am against those who are using the Jewish trick to fulfill Oufkir's dream. The jews used the holocaust and it worked for them, Now we have some Amazigh who never miss to show their the siding with Israel to get the sympathy of the western world. I tell these Amazigh that trick was already used and outdated, and don't try something else, instead, work on loving your country instead dividing it with your hate for Arabs and others. |
fares marwane
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respect & peace Well guys, keep peaceful! I think we all agree here upon some principals. We should argue for the sake of peace and prosperity in Morocco wherever we are and we need to respect each other for the interest of all. I do believe that the king is the guarantee of our social cohesion in such diverse country, so please keep discussing out of the king’s speeches out of context. None has chosen to be born as Berber, Arab, Jew, Muslim, Christian or whatever single identity you can imagine. But since each individual carries in his/her personality parts of different identities with diverse proportions, this should be respected. Respecting the other is nowadays a fundamental for peace. Unfortunately, some comments here are hurtful for some of us. I do not want to name anybody but want to notice that your comments are read all over the world (I am reacting from France) and may mistaken some people. Peace, |
PLURAL MOROCCO
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... What's wrong with these pseudo-moroccans? You hit ones head and another one pops up...We've just sent Morcelli to revise his elementary's history courses and here is MacadamiaN vomiting another cocktail of ignorance and illiteracy. We are in 2010, and if you know how to type, just go ahead and google amazigh and all your questions will be academically answered. I realy appreciate your coolness Plural Morocco trying to educate people who don't distinguish between unity and unicity. We beleive in morocco's unity within it's diversity.They want a unique morocco,not united morocco, they dream of "a" morocco where everybody wears jabador and tarbouch stanbouli:) They just don't have the notion of otherhood and alterity in they minds, this if they do have one, and i doubt about it. |
Morcelli l'arriviste
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... To the berbers who want to change history to revive Oufkir vision of making Morocco 100 % chleu7 and who consider themselves jews because someone told them that their DNA was found in some jewish dudes, I tell them move your rear to Israel. Israel imported people from Ethiopia, Russia, Yemen and they would not mind importing few chleu7 to send them to kill the Palestinians or better yet, clone them to get their organs. These Berbers are not after a song that was not performed during the Gala, they want to make Berber the official language of the great country of Morocco. We gave allow few boring television channels to broadcast the kings activity , now that want to take over la RTM. We allowed some schools to teach amazigh, now they want to make curriculum berbers. You give these people a finger they want to chop your hand. Again, Oufkir est mort vive le roi! Morcelli the arrivista! |
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... MacademiaN, Here is an interesting article (very scientific though!). http://www.wafin.com/genes.pdf DNA tests between Moroccan Arabs and Moroccan Amazighs are very close to each other. They are also close to mediterranean neighboring countries (Algeria, Spain..etc). Here is a quote from the article : "Indeed, the present study confirms that a majority of presentday North Africans from Morocco (El Jadida) and Algerians (5) are close to Berbers according to the genetic distances (Table 3), and also to Iberians (Spaniards, Portuguese and Basques) (15). Eastern and other Mediterraneans show bigger genetic distances to Moroccans, including Arabs from the Arabian peninsula (unpublished results). This suggests that the gene flow from 7th century A.D., newcomers from the Arabian peninsula was low in North Africa" Now you will have some people that would respond that this is a propaganda from Israel, France, US, China and bla bla bla aiming to divide the country. To those I would say prove this scientific research to be wrong by providing scientific facts (please not the Moroccan ministry of education books). Many Moroccan Arabophone start realizing this fact as much as many Moroccan Imazighen are not denying the Arabic culture influence in Morocco. That said, most Moroccan Imazighen are striving toward a UNIFIED democratic country that is based on its diverse segments. Arabic and Tamazight should have equal rights and official status in the country. Mr. Morcelli: I am a proud Moroccan and I am a proud Amazigh. Cheers, Hicham_M |
D.H.J.
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A Interesting Debate, but... These conversations are really interesting and productive precisely because they bring together different views. Unfortunately, regardless of where one stands on this debate, I must say that Morcelli is lowering the level of the debate by his mediocre reference to MVI's "you are either with us or against us." This is such a cliche Moroccans should simply ignore. Guys, don't respond to this guy's comments. It is lowering the level of discussion. If he controls this blog, just don't visit it! That is the only way Moroccans can have a constructive debate. |
MB Editor
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Please enlighten us To Plural Morocco Why don't you write an article on the subject for MB Readers, and enlighten all of us. MB Editor |
MacadamiaN
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:) Well, since my only source of information about Amazigh history is through Moroccan education I guess it is not complete as Mr Plural has just pointed out. He could have done without the angry tone however. So Mr Plural since you surely have many resources about the subject, can you please suggest a book, a website, a research paper, etc? Please know that his is not a challenge, but rather a genuine attempt to learn more about the history of my country. Cordially, MN |
A naji
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conratulation to the WMC on its 20th anniversary Congratulation to the Morrocan washington Club on its 20th anniversary. What an outstanding gala dinner to warpe 20 programs aimed at promoting morocco and the Moroccan community in the US. All I can say is conratulation to the WMC and all memebrs who worked hard to makse sure the end results is worth the effort. gongratulation and happy anniversary WMA 20/20 |
PLURAL MOROCCO
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Morocco Sheli ("My Morocco" in Hebrew) First I want to thank Mr Hamid Mernissi and Fares Marouane for their clairvoyance and understanding. Again, I don't understand why Morocelli is making us Imazighen say what we didn't say. Morocelli, what you say about imazighen is your own opinion; you are entitled to it and responsible for it. It has nothing to do with what we think. Obviously, you feel so insecure and intimidated by us telling the truth. Morocco is one but it has many plural facets whether you want it or you don't. We are a rich mosaic that reflects a rich past. Denying it would be doing a historical injustice to all its elements. You are feeling the heat now because you know that you have hijacked our identity wrongly. So, here is a tip for you, quit whining and face it and stop making the government say what it didn't say. You cannot just apply things which are said in a specific context on the amazigh issue to make us look bad. Your evil plan is not going to work because you are just a small detail in our society. The government knows better than you and they didn't ask you to talk for them. If they have something to say, they will tell us in their own language not in yours. Just go back to your comment and check the words you have used youreself. Those words betray you: "the arab conquest"!!!...For the comment of Mr Macademian, I would say again what you learned about the imazighen in the history class was not correct. Please check some of the new archeological findings about North Africa and also check the latest genes and DNA studies about the imazighen, that will enlighten you about this subject before you start passing out judgments with zero knowledge because I have zero tolerance for anything or anyone that falsifies facts and camouflages them with ideologies. As far as the amazigh jewish connection is concerned, it's also historical and it was there before the arab conquest to North Africa. Imazighen were jewish, Christianized and Islamized in their history and a good anthropological eye will still discern all these layers all together with the African layer. We don't deny our cultural or religious constituents; we embrace them because for us they are our richness and our Morocco. |
MacadamiaN
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... Being a product of Morocco: 1/2 sahrawi, 1/4 Andaloussi, 1/4 Rifi I feel s****d breaking it down this way. To my follow Moroccans and those who call themselves berbers in particular. You have all the right in the world to celebrate your beautiful multi-colorful culture. Please keep it alive for many generations to come. But please refrain from using this uniqueness to create division and “fitna” based on ludicrous arguments. Within every country in the world there’s a mix of different races with different norms and traditions. Surely they fought each other at some point in the past, but they also made peace, married from each other, and eventually created a new identity. And that’s a beautiful thing. “….wa khalaqnakoum sho3oban wa qaba2ila li ta3arafo, Inna akramakom 3inda allahi Atqakom ’ Quran(49:13) According to the history that I learned in Moroccan schools; Berbers are descendants of “Mazigh”, came to Morocco from Habasha(Ethiopia), Sham(Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine), and Yamen. The question I have for my berber Moroccans: how are you not Arabs? The last time I checked Yamen, Syria, Lebanon were Arab states. We Muslims pride ourselves on our diversity. Being born a Muslim is a gift from Allah that we should thank him for daily. The spread of Islam in North Africa is no way similar to the Holocaust. Arabs brought Peace and “Rahma” to the North Africans whereas Hitler’s holocaust was the ultimate manifestation of hate and prejudice. The Gala did include some elements of our Sahrawi culture (photos) – which are native Moroccans by the Berber definition of ‘native’. I think we should be practical in our assessment of this particular gala taking into count the circumstances and the resources available to the organizers in putting this event together. Perhaps with more active participation of Berber members future events might include more representation of Shleu7 ,swassa, et Riafa. Got Rwicha? With Love and Peace MN |
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... You see Mr.morcelli, just like your "Arab brothers" you have an allergy to jews whenever they are mentionned.... you smell baathism man, petit arabocrane! just to remind you that you and people like you are the one who wanted to divide morocco, who is backing up polisario and wanted to have another arab republic in our Sahara, Moroccan Sahara? you don't know anything about morocco's history,all the tribes you've mentioned in one of your previous posting are of amazigh roots... and when you don't know you better shut up. Moroccan's truly Moroccan are embracing it's amazigh dimension, they are amazighophone or not...obscurantist like you are outdated, and you can still dream of "machriq to maghrib" as much as you want. though you might be right cause you the only one who knows you father. |
Morcelli l'arriviste:)
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... No. Don't start manipulating the kings wording. The king was unequivocal. He said, if you try to divide Morocco, you are a traitor. He said that phrase when some polisario lovers went to Tindouf to meet with the Algerian security service. Their main goal is to divide Morocco, Some berbers and especially the one that are outside Morocco, have made their agenda to use the Arab conquest of North Africa to spread Islam as their number one excuse to divide Morocco. The Jews used the holocaust to get to the good side of the western world and they succeeded, Some berbers are copying this trick to separate Morocco from its Arab identity and to divide Morocco into berbers, and berbers again, and only berbers. We have a 1400 year old monarchy that unite Moroccans from every corner and we are not about to hand Morocco to those few berbers wh chose to be the outsiders. These people are whining because no imazigh song was played during the event, so what? When Obama was elected, and if you watched the elections, there was no native Americans dance displayed and no one complained, but Diane Feinstein was one of the speaker senator to introduce Obama, and as you all know Feinstein is a Jew. This is to tell you that the Jews have succeeded, by loving the USA not by trying to divide America. You seem to value the Jews, so at least learn from them. Work on uniting Morocco nt dividing it. |
fares marwane
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steps forward I do agree with gathering people and having fun with those with whom we share affinities but since it is only about gala and fun, please use private funds and not public ones. Moreover, the event could not be labelled Moroccan if the whole community is not involved or at least informed. On the other hand the king said that Tamazight is the heritage of all Moroccans before saying "be Moroccan or NOT" which is universally correct! The Amazigh identity of Moroccans is a true fact which we can not deny today if we really want to make steps forward. |
Hamid Mernissi
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Moroccan History Well said Plural Morocco. Just reading through these comments I see lots of issues on Tamghribit, our identity!!! You hit the mark by asking Moroccans to revise their history or literally go back to it and learn about it. Every Moroccan should be proud and self assured if he or she takes the time to explore Morocco and learn about its extremely rich history of thousands of years. This call is long overdue to most of Moroccans. Good Job Plural Morocco. |
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ONE AND ONLY ONE MOROCCO Some Amazigh are using the holocaust as an excuse to get the sympathy of those who waste their time hearing them, a good example The poster below did not miss using the Jews as a pretext to get more fans. I am so glad that Hassan II rid us of Oufkir, otherwise all Arabs, fassi and others would have been dipped in nitric acid. Some amazigh associations are trying very hard to get Morocco to establish diplomatic relations with Israel on the expense of the Arabs. For as long as M6 is chairing the quds committee, it ain't going to happen. sorry. I tell these shleu7 to direct their energy on building ONE Morocco, not a Berber Morocco, a Fassi Morocco, a Jewish morocco, an Arab Morocco. Oufkir is no longer alive get used it! Glad we have M6 trying to unite Morocco mina lmaghrib ila lmashriq wa mina shamal ila ljanoub and these shleu7 want to divide Morocco into little partition to serve their own needs. Keep in Mind that Moroccan including myself deny that the berbers are the first inhabitants of Morocco. So dude quit the israeli/jewish trick. At least the jews in the US they have AIPAC, what do you have? I know I am getting more haters but I feel better speaking what most of us think: ONE AND ONLY ONE MOROCCO! |
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Let my people in... Thanks "Tamaghrabit" for the point you made in answering Morocelli. Some people still enjoy denying our basic right to our full moroccanity and they still misread into our struggle for our cultural and linguistic identity as if they hold some magic keys to who can be accepted in and who can be left out. I just want these people to understand that you cannot change or erase the millennial existence of amazigh people, neither that of the jewish people in Morocco. We all know the real history of Morocco and needless to repeat it here. Even the official government, which has been constipated about this issue for so long, is now taking a different inclusive and not exclusive approach with the IRCAM,Tamazight at schools and in the media; and so many other things that are done to promote the richness of our moroccan identity. Systematically speaking, if an important component of a society is ignored, that system will be paralyzed. A system works better when all its components are included correctly; otherwise the system itself will fail and that will affect the other components. I believe that it's high time, for people who don't know our past as moroccans, they started to revise their history lessons and understood their past so we can all move forward smoothly. This is not something that we should fight for, it's a basic human right and it's not even a choice we make, it's something we are born with and we need to cherish it. |
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... To the shleu7 out there, Give it a rest. Morocco is not kurdistan or chechenya. Morocco in undecided mina lmashriq ila maghrib. M6 said it best " you are either moroccan or traitor" Morocco is not only shleu7, morocco is mzab, doukkala, wlad 7riz, sharqawa, ahl fas, dawdiyin, sa7rawa, and so on and so forth |
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... Mr.Morcelli, you got the point and it's a historical fact, we are imazighen before being moroccans like or not. Talking about arab culture, as moroccan arabphone or amazighopne you will never be accepted among arabs as arab, you are maghribi and go talk to your to-be-borthers egypatians or saoudis and see how they are going to approach you....they will never consider you arab mister morcelli. We imazighen,we love our country and our culture, morocco and moroccan culture and we don't kiss other's (....) to be who we are not!!! When it comes to national pride, we don't need to prove it. L'histoire est la, vas y et visites les anales de l'independance...tu as l'air d'un petit arrivist morcelli. |
Morocelli
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... More amazigh folks complain about their lack of representation , more they alienate themselves. Why can't they think of themselves Moroccans instead of amazigh? Actually i do have the answer, because they consider themselves amazigh before considering themselves Moroccans. Shall we draw another autonomy plan for amazigh too? Get over it. I did not agree with M6 when he said " you are either Moroccan or you are a traitor" , Now I am starting to agree with him when I see these Amazigh not missing an opportunity to tell everyone that they are not fully moroccan. Btw, I am the product of an Arab and Amazigh. As for the event starting with a middle eastern song, that shows that we are part of the Arab community and we do not shy away from appreciating Arab culture. If the song was French or Spanish, then you would have a point, It was an Arab song for god sake. |
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Get used to it, take it or leave, it's there... This was my first time participating in this kind of events and I want to say that the WMAC works hard to put everything together for our community. All the events were great and well organized and the gala was a success. However, there are a couple remarks that I would like to highlight. First, I noticed that the presence of the moroccan ambassy was biased. Certain events had more support of the ambassy than others. Some events had more resources and more budget invested in them than others. A quick comparison between, for instance, the HMIMSA meeting and "The Coming of the age of the Amazigh" shows this type of second-rating of events. It would be nice if some people from the ambassy showed up at least to honor the presence of great scholars like Dr Ahmad Boukous at the Amazigh meeting or to take a look at what producer Moha Abbazi had to show in his movie ITTO TITRIT. This is said, by mentioning HMIMSA, I didn't mean to be against their work, I actually like it and I am proud that it is taking place and that the people behind it are really hard workers. The second remark is regarding what the above comment by "TAMAGHRABIT" has already stated about our crisis of identity when it comes to starting a purely moroccan american gala with a song from the Middle East. There is nothing wrong with the song itself, except that it's not moroccan. it's the fact that it is chosen as the premiere of our community gala that made me feel alienated and left out. More than that, I felt more left out when there were all diffent types of moroccan music except for tamazight. No amazigh singer that I, as a Moroccan Amazigh, could fully indentify with. Now for people who are complaining that it's only self interest that is the main driver behind this whole effort, I would say that they are wrong. Some people's pictures are there more than others because they were there working hard for more than a month. I don't think that any memeber of the WMAC would reject anyone that comes up with help and volunteering. Actually, Mr Hassan Samghouni and all the others welcome that type of initiative. Women's presence was there and it was strong and I salute all their relentless efforts. My last word is a BIG CONGRATS to the WMAC and good luck for the future. |
Moroccan in MD
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... For those who sent negative feed back, please provide alternatives/ positive feed back. If others are wrong proove with action what can you do to proove that they are wrong. |
Latifa Hadri
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... Thank you to all the team team for the wonderful event that gathered the majority of the Moroccan community. I hope that other events like this one take place often in our community regardless of which association, foundation etc they belong to. Keep up the great work and the promotion of the Moroccan heritage, in all its aspects, alive. Suggestion: Allow other assoication to be more involved in your upcoming events. |
tamghrabit
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... I really salute the organizer's effort and would like to give credit to Mr hassan and his team for working so hard to make this happen. However, there is something i would like to mention and i hope will impact our way of celebrating our MAROCANITY next time: I was at the gala, it looked very organized and gandiose...then my surprise, it made me leave the place cause i couldn't bare such a mediocrity and identity crisis among my fellow moroccans: A guy, a really good singer, open the gala with egyptain's Halim song and arabian golf music.....nedless to say that i love all kind of music, but i always put things in context, do egyptians and other countries play our moroccan music in their events, where is doukali, hiyani, stati, hada ou3ki, izenzaren, chrifa and so on.... We still have a lot of work to do when it comes to our national identity and pride, and we should stop this kind of acculturation and be proud of ourselves as moroccans. Sans rancunes. |
Morcelli
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Critic: Chill out To the critics out there, I said live and let live. Talk is cheap. What's wrong with celebrating 20 years of their existence and bringing Moroccan under one roof for a dance and moves to Moroccan rhythms? How can you go against L hajja having good time. L hajja never missed those events and she truly makes my day. So take a chill pill and relax. Stiffness of the mind causes high blood pressure and other diseases. |
Jamal Laoudii
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"We are all connected" Si Moroccan: You do care otherwise you would not have commented- That being said, I believe that as a community, we must all work together. We gain much by doing so and lose much by doing otherwise. Workign against each other would prove detrimental in the long run. We are not going to always agree and that is fine but we must engage in healthy debate, and work and even fight sometimes to improve overtime if that is what it takes. The community is learning to walk. If it is not walking right, let us hold its hand until it gets it right. Madonna said it best when she said " We are all connected". Tahiyat-  |
A Moroccan
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Too bad Si Jamal, I have mentioned Friends of Morocco, High Atlas Foundation and more importantly The Embassy of Morocco. There is no need to continue on. I have known WMC since its creation. I have been in DC from early 60s I know everyone and value everyone. No worries mate!!! |
Fattah
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Contradictory statements... You mentioned that "This project had no official government sponsor; WMC was able to attract some sponsors including the Council of Moroccan Community Obroad, Ministry of Moroccan Expats, Agence Du Sud". Isn't the Ministry of Moroccan Expats and Agence du Sud part of the Moroccan government? Contradictory statements??? In any case, congratulations for your 20th anniversary. It requires hard work and dedication to organize these kind of events... |
Jamal Laoudii
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To Mr. Morocco Mr Moroccan: "know and I know that there was no substance in all this hallow manifestation." I beg to differ and I welcome a debate on this but we need to set the rules. The only rule I have is that we stick to facts. Let me start by asking yo uthe following: - Out of the 20 events, how many did you attend? - Out of those you attended, what caused you to conclude that it lacked substance? Please give specific. Please, do not tell me you attended none!! |
A Moroccan
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Reaction Poves constractive criticism To Mr. Laoudi, If my criticism was not constructive, you would not have reacted to it. I know that you have an analytic mind. The fact is, you know and I know that there was no substance in all this hallow manifestation. I did read between your words. Another constructive critic, WMC has to stop hiding behind events of other organizations such as Friends of Morocco and High Atlas Foundation. Between us this has been a fund raising for the High Atlas Foundation that did not work PERIOD! |
MacadamiaN
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Stop hating Stop hating, please. Passing negative judgement does not help. Get involved and make a difference if you really care. I would like to thank those who worked on this event. Please don't let any one put you down. Trying is better than not at all. MN |
Jamal Laoudii
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About Substance and Criticism I attended few events and very proud to have done so. Many come up here and just criticize; at least some people are trying. To the critics, what are you doing to promote or to attempt to bring the community together? Sure, things are not perfect but you got to start somewhere. You work with what you have, including imperfections, and you build from there. I would respect a criticism only if it is constructive and if the critic is taking action; otherwise, we would have a case of serious lack of substance before us, seriously! |
A Moroccan
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Nice pictures Zero substance Funny how people brag on events like of this sort. Many pictures, same faces on and on, always in a gathering forever nameless, without direction and empty. No substance No theme that seriously touches the Moroccan community, as we have witnessed for many years. However, one can detect just from the comments above that, this is made for propaganda, self interest and Pictures and Pictures and more pictures. Ms. Mimi and Ms. Hasnaoui are commenting on themselves as they have been part of this wonderful event. Initially in the academy awards for empty faces in empty halls. Wake up people do your things for you own sake and stop using (The Moroccan community), it is an insult to this noble community and to many of us who do not have the PHOTO SYNDROME and Self interest inflection. A little of honesty would have served most of us to just say the Embassy of Morocco needed to report that it is involved with the Moroccan community. |
Morcelli
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Good Job-- for another 20 and 20 and 20....... I think events such as these are very important, it brings people together, it gives the Moroccan immigrant a chance to feel home, It gives the ladies an opportunity to wear their Caftans and rub shoulders with their men peers, if I were not happily married, I would definitely join the crowd to find me a partner in life:) Needless to say that Hassan is a master of his domain gathering folks from all walks of life under one roof dancing to the rhythms of Moroccan Songs, Including the Sahraoui band. |
YASMINE HASNAOUI
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CONGRATULATIONS AWESOME EVENT, GREAT GATHERING WITH THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOUMR.SAOUT FOR THESE WONDERFUL PICTURES. INDEED THE MOROCCAN COMMUNITY HAS an unprecedented representation be it at the cultural,educational economic or political level.The Moroccans in the United States sought to build and raise the profile of their community .In that process, they made remarkable efforts and deployed immense energies to organize cultural events, conferences and meetingS.KEEP ON SHINING,KEEP ON RAISING:-) YASMINE HASNAOUI |
JJ
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Who cares..... Who cares about this ....There are more important things we moroccans should care about. |
Congrats
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... We need more of these events to connect people together. Keep it up. Thanks a bunch |
EmbassyWatch
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Propaganda A bunch of propaganda by some Moroccan embassy, and MACP-backed "members" of the Moroccan-American community. Also, WMC is not "run by a group of mostly female volunteers" as you have stated in your introduction. As a matter of fact, men are the dominant members and decision-makers in WMC. |
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