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Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old Girl

Hind Fassi
Her name is Naima, she is fifteen, she lives in a village that is 50 km south of Marrakech with her parents and seven siblings. Like most village girls, Naima went to primary school for only four years. The nearest high school is 20 km away from her house and buying a used bicycle is out of reach for the family budget!

And then again, what would an education and a trade do for Naima, for her destiny as a woman is to marry and take care of her home? Our daughter is certainly better off at home and away from people's gossip, decided her father.

Naima has become a small helpful hand for her family. Obedient and resigned, she helps her mother with the household chores, takes care of the livestock and minds her little brothers and sisters. She is conditioned, trained and programed to find a husband and care for her off-springs. And the sooner the better: In the country side, we marry girls at 18, even at 16 years! And beyond this venerable age, it is difficult to find them husbands.

When she turned 14, her parents started an intense search for the right party, a young man from nearby (one must have the same values, after all) That can support his new family and especially be able to pay the dowry.

Meet Bouazza, he left his family to immigrate to Italy. Each summer, he parades around the village with a used (probably stolen) Mercedes car with Italian license plates. He may leave our daughter prematurely widowed if he gets involved in coke trafficking and score settling a-la-Kalashnikov, like the poor Ali, the son of our neighbor last year!

Meet the lazy Bouchta. he idled for over a year and is regularly smoking pot and has already squandered the meager inheritance bequeathed by his late father.

There is also haj Abdallah, who is turning 60. He is interested in marrying our virginal Naima for his third wedding. The girl would never accept to marry him even if his  promises to buy her gifts, bronze ornaments and a goat fur ( it there is such a thing!) are tempting. Eventually, his dentures spoiled any chances he had.

Then there is Abbass, a nice boy from the village, 24 year old. He is a construction worker in Casablanca where he lives in a house on loan from his brother. He meets the minimum conditions to provide for his future wife and eventual offsprings!
After a few days of procrastination, Naima finally gave her assent. She is a 15 year old teenager, What could she expect? It is true that she has only met Abbass twice, always in the presence of her parents. But Abbas had youth and a pleasant smile. The imagination and romance of a young girl and the Turkish and Egyptian soaps she watches daily on the family's small TV helped her to make a decision. Naima is now in love with Abbass and is looking forward to the the marriage that would help her escape her daily routine.

Then there is the issue of Naima being a minor. But that is no problem. The application to the local judge for a waiver to issue a marriage  license was accepted quickly (with the help of a small bribe, of course).
One wonders what is the use of the new family law "moudawana". Why set the minimum age of marriage at 18 years if you are going to deliver waivers to every 15 year old girl's parents?

With the license in hand and the required health certificates, especially the prized "certificate of virginity" from the local health center (the family would not mind sticking it on a billboard and post it at the entrance of the village, if they could), the parties were on their way to the judge's office to formalize the marriage.
When it was time to present the dowry; a gold ring, some clothes and $300 to be paid directly to the father, he changed his mind and asked for an additional $250. He threatened to cancel the marriage otherwise.
The groom and his father were not happy at this last minute about-face and refused to pay up. The father then asked the judge to put away the marriage license that he would not sign. Volleys of insults ensued between the parties.
Who does this young man and his father think they are? Naima is certainly worth the extra $250! Raising her up certainly cost a lot more than that!   She is now a beautiful virgin with wide hips ready to bring to this world off springs that would make any husband happy!

Naima and her fiance were left in tears!

There was not to be a Wedding on that day. However, the following week, since the judge's waiver to issue a marriage certificate is still valid, one has to harry, especially that now people are wondering about the reasons for this sudden annulment. Naima was summoned by her father and was asked to seal her fate to another man, living in the city of Agadir this time. She has never met him, but whose father was able to come up with the additional $250 .

Here is how in Morocco, the most beautiful country in the world, in the 21st century, our girls are excluded from education and sold like livestock and given away in marriage to the highest bidder!

 

Article previously published in French at Qandisha. Translated by Morocco News Board

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abdelwahab
-11 #1 RE: Morocco: $250 More To Marry My 14 Year Old Daughterabdelwahab 2012-10-06 01:39
subhanallah. What ru trying to say? That the other way is better? The girl goes to school finish it then goes to college. After that she goes to the university gets graduated. Finds work maybe in marrkech or in casablanca. She starts to earn her own money. She becomes independent. After years when shes close to her thirties and after having some affairs. She finally falls in love() and gets married. So will this make her a better person? Does this mean that she will be happy? Why are u guys in one or otherway always try to force ur opinions on others. I myself was born in europe and live there. And i think the islamic way of getting married is decent in every aspect. Ofcourse the girl should not be forced doing that is not part of islam but tradition.

Furthermore im sure that there will come a time and it is already happening that ppl will see that islam has all the answers to their daily problems. Society starts within a family. And women are so so valuable in it. That islam sees to protect the women. Its not forcing its protecting. And who is more wise then the almighty Allah swt.
Finally i want u guys to remember that we r muslims. We believe in Allah. We believe that this life is temporary a stage to prepare oneself for the eternal life. The true life with no shortcomings. So think about urself before u start judging others. So funny when ppl stand at the wrong side and think they got it right.
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Morcelli
+4 #2 RE: Morocco: $250 More To Marry My 14 Year Old DaughterMorcelli 2012-10-06 09:49
The harsh reality in Morocco when school is not option, many parents living in the countryside are left with only 2 possibilities.
Selling their daughters to the highest bidder if they are lucky, or the girl gets picked up by an aunt or an uncle living on the extremities of the city and who have 5 children and needing help. The girl travels to live with her aunt/uncle and in no time she finds herself being trafficked for sex by the same people who brought her to the city.

Who is to blame here? the king who is a billionaire among his extremely poor subjects? poverty, lack of education, the system, the father or the mother, life, lack of luck?
or shall we just blame the girl herself as it is unfailingly the case in Morocco.

Morocco is indeed the most beautiful country on earth but............
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Jack Smith
+5 #3 I can't believe people are defending this.Jack Smith 2012-10-06 12:09
Quoting abdelwahab:
subhanallah. What ru trying to say? That the other way is better?

This is a 15 year old girl who just got sold. If your religion encourages or even excuses this, your religion is wrong.
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Heather Maxon
0 #4 MsHeather Maxon 2012-10-06 16:02
This does happen here in Morocco, but this is a rare condition mostly in the poorer mountainous regions. I feel for this young women, this girl!
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Angela morris
+2 #5 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old GirlAngela morris 2012-10-06 16:40
The marriage laws of Morocco are not far from the United States. In my home state of New Hampshire, its also permissible for minors to get married even at the age of 13! All you need is parental consent.
marriage-licenses.org/.../...
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sahrane
-1 #6 A wake up callsahrane 2012-10-06 23:06
The nut wingers, talk from both sides of their mouths ,people who marry children, have a name and not a pretty one they’re called pedophiles, and what their excuse is? Religion solve all end all and not only they’re jockeying for control and by doing so ruining the other half of the population (women) and the nonsense claim that by marrying children they protect them ,like wolves claiming to protect sheeps gimme a break ,as for the situation mentioned by the author, that’s the norm in the rural morocco and the cities are catching up, yes that’s right not the other way around.and instead of having people, trying to save the victims ,their throwing religion in the mix to validate pedophilia, and last but not the least as a thought ,the rich get richer and the poor get children.
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Maria C.
+1 #7 MrsMaria C. 2012-10-07 11:50
Dear Hind Fassi,

In our view, these tough cases (wherever they may occur in the world...) are mostly due to the outcome of these factors: lack of fair governance, political will to invest in education, social facilities and balanced economic policies.
Poorer families, deprived of the minimum dignified income find themselves so unprotected and vulnerable that they just know how to strive in the way this girl's father did...
More than ever, education, equity and social justice are the urgent cry for a peaceful world!
Thanks for the article.
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Maria C. P. Costa
-1 #8 MrsMaria C. P. Costa 2012-10-07 12:08
Dear Hind Fassi,

In our view, these cases (wherever they may occur in the world) are mostly due to these factors: lack of fair governance,poli tical will to invest in education, enhance social facilities and fair economic policies.
Poorer families find themselves so unprotected and vulnerable that they just know how to strive in the way this girl's father did...
More than ever, education, equity and social justice are the urgent cry for a peaceful world!
Thanks for the article.
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man en blanc
+5 #9 Sadness and Mirages.man en blanc 2012-10-07 12:29
Heartbreaking stories like this one are abound in Morocco. The culprits here are too many to list, but we are a third world nation, always been and forever will be for the simple reason that it suits our corrupt ruling apparatus that poverty, illiteracy and dog-eat-dog culture remain interwoven in our collective DNA.
So spare me your "Morocco is the most beautiful bla..bla.." IT IS NOT! Or that "Islam is the solution" NO! Islam is the complicating factor in this equation.
Yeah.I am bitter. Because I keep wondering at what might have been if only the powers that be would put people first ahead of their own self-interest.
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S Hassi
-1 #10 Fassi here Fassi there Fassi is everywhereS Hassi 2012-10-07 12:45
In a country where the name Fassi run everything no wonder this family is no exception. Of course poverty exists everywhere even in the old uncle sam country but it shouldnt be so , Moroccan society luck equality and justice and we shouldnt blame the father. Perhaps it is time for Fassi , Benani etc to stop being greedy and boring . greetings from Tetouan
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Aminaa
+5 #11 Isolated caseAminaa 2012-10-07 15:00
I'm myself Moroccan, a female, who has the all luck to be born in a big city as Casablanca, and have the best parents to encourage her to finish her studies and even paid for my university studies in Europe. But I'm quite aware that there are so many innocent young girls in the poor villages, who are an easy target for our pedophiles fellows who are in their 60s and is still looking for a third or maybe the fourth wife who should be under 16 years old and a VIRGIN. However, I know many girls in big cities as casablanca, Fes, Rabat,... who have succeeded their lives and got married with someone they love and are very happy. Who should we blame? Of course the king and its government who live in luxury in the big cities and forget about the villagers and the rest.
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zwena
+2 #12 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old Girlzwena 2012-10-07 18:32
that is reality however you can not blame islam for this. the answer is culture and and poverty and freaking ignorance of whole generation and they influencing this coming up one and they kill anything that is different without any sense. and what up!!!!!!!!!!! with this turkish and mexican series and to make matter worst they translated to darija........w here they driving this country of ours??????
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A.L.L..
+3 #13 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old GirlA.L.L.. 2012-10-07 20:07
what I read comes from either immature people lacking substance in their daily life or simply ignorant. There is something called impartiality, despite the writer is against an idea, his or her reporting should be balanced, unbiased and backed up by evidence. If contributors are Moroccans, they should be sensitive to Moroccan audience, especially their culture and religion. Nonetheless every Moroccan should appreciate his heritage and culture akin to other nationalities.

I have reservation to Hind Fassi article on marrying girls at 15. What is shocking is Hind branded the Moroccan Bouazza--the would-be husband--who is also an Italian immigrant as a thief simply because she suspects he stole a Mercedes car which he brought to Morocco !! this is completely nonsensical journalism if you think it is journalism.
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Morcelli
+3 #14 Something amissMorcelli 2012-10-07 20:20
Life for girls in the country side of Morocco sucks.
She is born without ever seeing a doctor. At the age of 4 she is already carrying her new born brother on her back the whole day long and entertaining her 2 year old sister playing with sticks and plastic bottles tossed on the side of the road by "jemenfoutist" Moroccans, she never ever had the luxury of having a simple 2o dirhams doll. Her parents think that acquiring her a doll could be tempting, this will certainly make her start thinking about a dress for the doll which they want to avoid at all cost. They decided not to be tempted themselves and be nice once caring parents. She looks outside and see those lucky people with their happy face children driving by, the only contact she ever had with them is when her 9 year old brother standing on the side of the road the whole day beneath the scorching sun selling mint or few vegetables instead of being in school playing with his peers, his life sucks too. We already know his fate, he will end up working in construction in the city making 60 dirhams a day and hoping not to ever get sick, a cold, a fever or an infection of some sort, if he does, he will have 50/50 chance to life. Life of misery when his , his majesty the multibillionair e only walks on red carpets from the exit of the palace to the inauguration point where Moroccan authorities borrowed money from Europe and Qatar to build a soccer stadium to keep the masses busy thinking about the next game Morocco will play.

There was talk in MB about people against renouncing their nationality. If what you read above still make you against those who choose or think about country they want to belong to, then, there must be something amiss.

I have see those sad faces, I have had contact with them, I bought mint from them under the watchful eyes of an older granpa sitting behind the cart that holds the stack of mint, I have seen people with their Mercedes trying to get the mint cheaper or haggling to get extra mint from the poor girl.

The sad part in all this, is the light is nowhere to be seen at the end of the tunnel. The tunnel is still and will always be dark.

Many of my fellow Moroccans here in the US wanting to get in contact with the Moroccan authorities to see if they can get cheaper RAM tickets, and if we only could use that effort to shed a light on the tragedy that is taking place in the Moroccan countryside.
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morcelli
+3 #15 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old Girlmorcelli 2012-10-07 20:49
The article is not an actual story,though it could be, the author merely wanting to bring attention to the plight that girls in Morocco might face. This is not fiction, this is reality, if you don't see it, then you are most likely living in harsh denial.
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Yet Another Moroccan
+1 #16 Re:Yet Another Moroccan 2012-10-08 02:34
Subhanallah indeed!

So, you are actually advocating subjection of women because of your ideology? You also think education leads to 'affairs?'

This is what's holding Muslims back. May be you could enlighten us and list some of these wonderful places where Islam is solving all problems and turning places into paradise. Please include tangible stats such as literacy rate, GDP, etc.

Quoting abdelwahab:
subhanallah. What ru trying to say? That the other way is better? The girl goes to school finish it then goes to college. After that she goes to the university gets graduated. Finds work maybe in marrkech or in casablanca. She starts to earn her own money. She becomes independent. After years when shes close to her thirties and after having some affairs. She finally falls in love() and gets married. So will this make her a better person? Does this mean that she will be happy? Why are u guys in one or otherway always try to force ur opinions on others. I myself was born in europe and live there. And i think the islamic way of getting married is decent in every aspect. Ofcourse the girl should not be forced doing that is not part of islam but tradition.

Furthermore im sure that there will come a time and it is already happening that ppl will see that islam has all the answers to their daily problems. Society starts within a family. And women are so so valuable in it. That islam sees to protect the women. Its not forcing its protecting. And who is more wise then the almighty Allah swt.
Finally i want u guys to remember that we r muslims. We believe in Allah. We believe that this life is temporary a stage to prepare oneself for the eternal life. The true life with no shortcomings. So think about urself before u start judging others. So funny when ppl stand at the wrong side and think they got it right.
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Omarito
-3 #17 How young is Young?Omarito 2012-10-08 07:08
In Scotland, girls can marry at the age of 16.

So stop viewing Moroccan culture through the prism of some Western norms.

They are both fallible.
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Aziz El Alami
+7 #18 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old GirlAziz El Alami 2012-10-08 11:31
Meet Abdelwahab, the first commentator, he was born in Europe and yet, he is still somehow intimidated by educated women!!!! He would rather they stay home, cover their entire bodies and get married at 14!!! Abdelwahab also claims that "the islamic way of getting married is decent in every aspect" -- This includes men marrying minors and having multiple wives!!!! He didn't stop there... he went as far as claiming that: "islam has all the answers to their daily problems"???

Who is imposing opinions here?

The Author and many of us see what happened to Naima as a tragedy and borderline child-abuse. We Would like to see these outdated practices stopped -- and yes-- we do want to see our sisters, daughters and female friends educated so they don't have to deal with the likes of Bouazza, Abbas or worst, (haj) Abdeallah!!!!
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mbt
-1 #19 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old Girlmbt 2012-10-08 15:06
Do you feel sad reading this story or become disgusted at the way of life in Morocco especially rural, but again it is no different then in Marrakech or any other big city.

Does it matter the father asked for extra money, and does it matter that she is certified virgin, money buys all. I can attest that you don't need to be virgin to be certified virgin! Like the article says the judge can for few dirhams give his blessings for the under 18's and father can accept money from strangers and give away his daughter for good.

In Morocco you can buy anything for little money, like in many poverty stricken, corrupt government and sleazy politicians ruled countries. What is appalling is that the king is oblivious to what is happening in his country.

I can in Marrakech get two girls for a price of one or for extra money a kafir (again he can buy certificate of being Muslim) and marry a Moroccan with no problem, and of course the parents are happy and families envious that one of theirs had made to Europe.

Morocco has a long way to go before you the ordinary citizens can have a decent, respectful and respected life.
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TRUE!
+1 #20 IT ISTRUE! 2012-10-11 05:51
Hind is NOT laying! I can personally attest to a "bouazza" that I know VERY well!!! He happened to be what I could hardly call a cousin who is exactly what she described. Except this incident did not happen in "some village" but in the city of Mohammedia!!! The only difference is that the girl wasn't 14 but 17 which in my book is the same @#$%. He brought the girl to his mom's house, his mom locked her in all day while her "husband" was out back in Italy... the girl finally gave up and when given the opportunity to go out never came back! The dude is still wondering today what has gone wrong? why did his "bride" run away? what did he do wrong?! who do I blame here? Do I blame her father? no? her father is just a victim of "takaleed" in a society that dictates a father start to plan out a process of how to get rid of his little girl as soon as she is born. It is a sick society and we need LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of education to upgrade our "takaleed" to the latest code release that the rest of the civilized world is using.
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Morcelli
+2 #21 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old GirlMorcelli 2012-10-11 13:13
Our traditions are backward and medieval. In Morocco people still live in the Jahiliya. If you are a woman in Morocco, I feel for you, you are born in a harsh society when you are treated as an inferior, weak human being from the get go.
In Islam you are considered half good but never as good as you brother. The excuse is that your brother or husband will protect you. Today we have statistics that shows that 50 % of women in Morocco are abused by their own hubbies. The Islamists government in Morocco is composed of more than 30 dudes and only ONE woman who is so hiding behind Benkirane.

Back in the Days in the 80's women were much more anticipated, my classmates are now doctors, engineers, high level administrators, . Now 90% of them are wrapped up in some sort of veil looking like a ninja. We even have women wearing the Taliban Burqa. I have never seen a burqa in Morocco when I was living there. At the same time couple of years ago Saudi Arabia banned Moroccan women from traveling to Mecca, Saudi authorities justified the ban on the suspicion that young female visa applicants (whether accompanied by their parents or not) “may have something else in mind” than strictly pious intentions, in clear reference to underground prostitution.

As you can see the burqa has not helped a lot, Moroccan women are still considered prostitutes by many "brotherly" arab countries.

Let's see what the Islamists will do to regain the honor of Moroccan women other than imposing more burqas.
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Aminaa
+2 #22 Mr Abdelwahab, enjoy your life!Aminaa 2012-10-12 17:32
Quoting Aziz El Alami:
Meet Abdelwahab, the first commentator, he was born in Europe and yet, he is still somehow intimidated by educated women!!!! He would rather they stay home, cover their entire bodies and get married at 14!!! Abdelwahab also claims that "the islamic way of getting married is decent in every aspect" -- This includes men marrying minors and having multiple wives!!!! He didn't stop there... he went as far as claiming that: "islam has all the answers to their daily problems"???

Who is imposing opinions here?

The Author and many of us see what happened to Naima as a tragedy and borderline child-abuse. We Would like to see these outdated practices stopped -- and yes-- we do want to see our sisters, daughters and female friends educated so they don't have to deal with the likes of Bouazza, Abbas or worst, (haj) Abdeallah!!!!


You're right, Mr Abdelwahab is quite lucky that he happens to be a MAN and not Mrs Wahiba, a little woman living in a harsh islamist country. These men, that I call "legal pedophiles", who can get anytime it pleases them, a liitle wife under the age of 14, a virgin, and no one can say anything against it since they live in "Rajl dima rajl" culture, so why should Mr Abdelwahab bother himself with Moroccan women situation and change it? He's quite happy like the way things are now. The all work at home including raising children is under the burden of the wife and sometimes the wives (4 legal wives), and Mr MAN is enjoying himself, watching TV or surfing on the internet, so why should he claim any change? He should be stupid if he does!
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Aminaa
+3 #23 Really degrading!Aminaa 2012-10-12 17:39
Quoting Morcelli:
Our traditions are backward and medieval. In Morocco people still live in the Jahiliya. If you are a woman in Morocco, I feel for you, you are born in a harsh society when you are treated as an inferior, weak human being from the get go.
In Islam you are considered half good but never as good as you brother. The excuse is that your brother or husband will protect you. Today we have statistics that shows that 50 % of women in Morocco are abused by their own hubbies. The Islamists government in Morocco is composed of more than 30 dudes and only ONE woman who is so hiding behind Benkirane.

Back in the Days in the 80's women were much more anticipated, my classmates are now doctors, engineers, high level administrators,. Now 90% of them are wrapped up in some sort of veil looking like a ninja. We even have women wearing the Taliban Burqa. I have never seen a burqa in Morocco when I was living there. At the same time couple of years ago Saudi Arabia banned Moroccan women from traveling to Mecca, Saudi authorities justified the ban on the suspicion that young female visa applicants (whether accompanied by their parents or not) “may have something else in mind” than strictly pious intentions, in clear reference to underground prostitution.

As you can see the burqa has not helped a lot, Moroccan women are still considered prostitutes by many "brotherly" arab countries.

Let's see what the Islamists will do to regain the honor of Moroccan women other than imposing more burqas.


All this nonsense started after the Revolution in Iran in the late seventies, then all Moroccan women started to hide themselves in that stupid veil. Moroccan women born in the 50s and 60s are 10 times educated and clever than those wrapped stupid girls born in 80s and 90s. Most of them has 100% arabarised education, their French is so weak that they can never dream of finding a decent job in a one the Moroccan big cities, so what alternative they have? Wrap themselves and pray for 3riss al ghafla. Very degrading!
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Yet Another Moroccan
0 #24 Re:Yet Another Moroccan 2012-10-13 00:11
Good point and good observation. Anyone who lived in Morocco through 80's, 90's and may be 00's can attest to this trend.

I wanted to point out my theory about this 'Islamization' of the Arab world starting in the late 70's (others might have come to the same conclusion): In the post colonial era, most Arab states gravitated toward the Soviet Union because it was seen as anti-colonial (since the west had almost all the colonies). A lot of Arab states implemented different flavors or communism (Iraq, Syria, Egypt, etc). It suited the dictators just fine that the state controlled everything. Morocco, of course, had its makhzen and it combined best (or worst depending on who you are) of both worlds.

The 50's, 60's and 70's proved communism couldn't solve Arab's problems which were really rooted, as mentioned before, in backwardness, medieval non-sense wrapped in religion. The defeat of Arabs in the Israeli wars destroyed communism as the savior. A new hero/solution was needed now. That gave rise to Islamists. Around the same time, they took power in Iran and killed Saddat in Egypt. Others, which were underground, were of course embolden that an Islamic revolution is possible.

Fast forward to now...the Islamists have highjacked the Arab Spring and the sheep are looking for their savior still not realizing that the change needs to come from within. May be abolishing child marriage and mistreatment of women would be a good start.

The Arabs ought to adopt Tina Turner's "We don't need another hero" as their anthem.

Quoting Aminaa:
Quoting Morcelli:
Our traditions are backward and medieval. In Morocco people still live in the Jahiliya. If you are a woman in Morocco, I feel for you, you are born in a harsh society when you are treated as an inferior, weak human being from the get go.
In Islam you are considered half good but never as good as you brother. The excuse is that your brother or husband will protect you. Today we have statistics that shows that 50 % of women in Morocco are abused by their own hubbies. The Islamists government in Morocco is composed of more than 30 dudes and only ONE woman who is so hiding behind Benkirane.

Back in the Days in the 80's women were much more anticipated, my classmates are now doctors, engineers, high level administrators,. Now 90% of them are wrapped up in some sort of veil looking like a ninja. We even have women wearing the Taliban Burqa. I have never seen a burqa in Morocco when I was living there. At the same time couple of years ago Saudi Arabia banned Moroccan women from traveling to Mecca, Saudi authorities justified the ban on the suspicion that young female visa applicants (whether accompanied by their parents or not) “may have something else in mind” than strictly pious intentions, in clear reference to underground prostitution.

As you can see the burqa has not helped a lot, Moroccan women are still considered prostitutes by many "brotherly" arab countries.

Let's see what the Islamists will do to regain the honor of Moroccan women other than imposing more burqas.


All this nonsense started after the Revolution in Iran in the late seventies, then all Moroccan women started to hide themselves in that stupid veil. Moroccan women born in the 50s and 60s are 10 times educated and clever than those wrapped stupid girls born in 80s and 90s. Most of them has 100% arabarised education, their French is so weak that they can never dream of finding a decent job in a one the Moroccan big cities, so what alternative they have? Wrap themselves and pray for 3riss al ghafla. Very degrading!
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man en blanc
+1 #25 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old Girlman en blanc 2012-10-14 14:21
When I read about Malala Yousefzai, the courageous Pakistani teen shot in the head by homicidal extremists for advocating education for girls, I realize that Islam is really at crossroads. The recent events in Egypt and Tunisia clearly crystallize this point. You have Islamic leaning governments sneaking Islamic laws here and there and the secular and progressive minds sensing a slow journey back to the Jahilia are reacting to the dangers ahead.
We urgently need to take Islam back to where it belongs: in the mosque and at home, and nowhere else.
This creeping talibanization of the Arab World must be stopped lest we end up residing in the dark ages.
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Nellia
+1 #26 Keep them separateNellia 2012-10-16 18:15
I am just apalled by this trend and I feel that it is just about time that we left religion in mosques and in homes for good .
Also may I add that the only time muslims experienced their true renaissance ( in Spain ) was when they were secular quite a few hundred years ago .Don't people get it ?
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Nellia
+2 #27 A new lowNellia 2012-10-17 19:49
On top of it marrying a child or having relations with a child is considered in most parts of the world as the mother of filth or the lowest of the low .
Any person that likes that should be considered Sick with a capital S.
May be some girls marry when they are 16 with their parents consent but its usually a boy about the same age not a 50 year old .Also its out of free will.
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Redouane
-2 #28 It all goes to the religionRedouane 2012-10-19 14:07
Girls in Morocco and in any other Muslim country are second class creatures, they are only worth of what they provide to men, sexual gratification and child bearing this is from a sociological point to view. At home and within the confines of their families, they are protected and are priceless. The problem is that the parents and men do not see this larger picture of utter mysogyny and contempt they have againt females of their own family... I always wondered if this is not something muslims learned from their sunna. The Prophete married young girl and he married many other captured beautiful wives like Safiya he jewish trbe of Khaibar and the coptic slave girl Maria. Did he really mary them for the sake of marriage or to have sex with them? With the total of thirteen possible wives it is hard to beleive that he loved them all for just being women.... Well that's the sunna what else would we expect from an average poor and uneducated Moroccan..
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tari
-2 #29 Kids Killed in Drown Attacks!!!tari 2012-10-21 19:45
Quoting man en blanc:
When I read about Malala Yousefzai, the courageous Pakistani teen shot in the head by homicidal extremists for advocating education for girls, I realize that Islam is really at crossroads. The recent events in Egypt and Tunisia clearly crystallize this point. You have Islamic leaning governments sneaking Islamic laws here and there and the secular and progressive minds sensing a slow journey back to the Jahilia are reacting to the dangers ahead.
We urgently need to take Islam back to where it belongs: in the mosque and at home, and nowhere else.
This creeping talibanization of the Arab World must be stopped lest we end up residing in the dark ages.


What about Pakistanis kids who die under drone and what about kids in Gaza who was killed every day.I Wish you better think about all this then worry about Mala Yousef !!!! which media highlighted to achieve their own bad motives.
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man en blanc
+1 #30 We didn't create hypocrisy, we just adopted it as a way of life.man en blanc 2012-10-21 21:58
"What about Pakistanis kids who die under drone and what about kids in Gaza who was killed every day.I Wish you better think about all this then worry about Mala Yousef !!!! which media highlighted to achieve their own bad motives."

One word Answer : SYRIA!
Life is cheap in the Muslim world. The butcher of Damascus can kill children at will. Read the news lately? Everywhere you look in our violent, morally-bankrup t part of the world, you'd find the same sad narrative, Muslims butchering each other everyday.
But God forbids if one terrorist is blown to pieces by U.S. drones, or the Israeli army. Outrage!
Why am I wasting my time preaching to the conveniently deaf?
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Aminaa
+3 #31 We are ,Moroccans and we are differentAminaa 2012-10-24 16:48
Just to clarify one IMPORTANT FACT. In Morocco, there are different types of women, I read some comments generalizing the women situation in Morocco as if we are Afghanistan or Pakistan or Algeria. In Morocco, there are very educated women, especially from the following Moroccan community: Fassi, Andaloussi, Jews, and Imazighens living in big cities. Then there are women in some Moroccan Arab villages, or in the South, or the Center, or the North or Sahara, where women are still treated with respect, but for some reasons, they don't go to school or decide their own destiny as marriage for example. Yet they are not treated as badly as in some Muslim countries. If you go to Casablanca or Rabat or Marrakech or Fess, you can see some women working as lawyers, doctors, teachers, journalists, judges ... So stop generalizing things if you don't know the Moroccan Culture. The other thing which worth mentioning is that Morocco is not an Arab Country, since the majority of its population are Imazighens, thus Moroccan in general are moderate muslims and are totally different from the rest of islamists extremists ideologist Muslims. This is the difference that makes us step out from the other muslim countries, and it is also one of the reasons why all these mad islamists are after us and criticizing our way of life, our modern women, our tourism, our jew community, and so on. They just don't get it. We are Moroccans, We are Muslims but WE ARE NOT ARABS.
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Redouane
0 #32 in response to AminaaRedouane 2012-10-25 15:13
Quoting Aminaa:
Just to clarify one IMPORTANT FACT. In Morocco, there are different types of women, I read some comments generalizing the women situation in Morocco as if we are Afghanistan or Pakistan or Algeria. In Morocco, there are very educated women, especially from the following Moroccan community: Fassi, Andaloussi, Jews, and Imazighens living in big cities. Then there are women in some Moroccan Arab villages, or in the South, or the Center, or the North or Sahara, where women are still treated with respect, but for some reasons, they don't go to school or decide their own destiny as marriage for example. Yet they are not treated as badly as in some Muslim countries. If you go to Casablanca or Rabat or Marrakech or Fess, you can see some women working as lawyers, doctors, teachers, journalists, judges ... So stop generalizing things if you don't know the Moroccan Culture. The other thing which worth mentioning is that Morocco is not an Arab Country, since the majority of its population are Imazighens, thus Moroccan in general are moderate muslims and are totally different from the rest of islamists extremists ideologist Muslims. This is the difference that makes us step out from the other muslim countries, and it is also one of the reasons why all these mad islamists are after us and criticizing our way of life, our modern women, our tourism, our jew community, and so on. They just don't get it. We are Moroccans, We are Muslims but WE ARE NOT ARABS.

WHERE DO YOU GET THIS IDEA THAT "WE ARE NOT ARABS" FROM WHOM ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE? NOW IT IS ONLY THE ARABS WHO DO NOT RESPECT WOMEN... IT IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY AN ARAB ISSUE, IT IS AN ISLAMIC ISSUE. THE TALIBANS ARE NOT ARABS THEY ARE PASHTOUN, THE PAKISTANI MUSLIMS ARE NOT ARABS THEY ARE INDIANS FROM THE SUB-CONTINENT.. PLEASE STOP PUTTING THE BLAME OF THIS STUPID IDEAS THAT WE ARE NOT ARABS... AMAZIGHEN ARE ALSO MUSLISMS AND ARE SOMETIME ALSO MORE FUNDAMENTALISTS ... YOU NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OTHER CULTURES OF THE WORLD AND STOP THINKING THAT MOROCCO IS IMMUNE FROM THE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES.... "WE ARE NOT ARABS" HEY THAT'S RIGHT... AS IF ONLY ARABS ARE MISOGYNIST..
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Nellia
+2 #33 My takeNellia 2012-10-25 18:33
I must agree with Amina even though I do appreciate Redouane's input on women .Its always a pleasure to see men respecting women as individuals like you do .Much appreciated!
Of course arabs are not responsible for everything but to be honest they are responsible for a lot of the headaches and horrors in the world and in the forefront Saudis when they started exporting their Wahhabist ideology everywhere .
Eversince the Arab invasion there has always been a desire to erradicate the culture and identity of the indigeneous population without any remorse or sometimes a conscience .Thus the indigeneous populations( Berbers, Assyrians and so many more ) have started getting confused about their own identity or even witness it disappear .Before the invasion Moroccan women were actually leading armies ( jewish berber Kahena) and were enjoying lots of privileges .
Truth be told most of the Moroccan population is in fact berber and it has been genetically proven and most of the population is moderate.And I must add to the defense of Arabs in Morocco that they are very different from the kind of arabs in Egypt and in the middle East.I find them to be much better on lots of fronts even if I sometimes find that they would rather stick with other Arabs in the middle East than their Moroccan for example berber fellow citizens.
Anyhow times are changing and now the situation of berbers in Morocco has really improved considering that our King is also half Berber and a man who truly loves his people and who is making all the efforts possible to take Morocco to whole new level.
Slowly but surely the populations resilience will pays off.
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Redouane
-5 #34 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old GirlRedouane 2012-10-26 20:34
Quoting Nellia:
I must agree with Amina even though I do appreciate Redouane's input on women .Its always a pleasure to see men respecting women as individuals like you do .Much appreciated!
Of course arabs are not responsible for everything but to be honest they are responsible for a lot of the headaches and horrors in the world and in the forefront Saudis when they started exporting their Wahhabist ideology everywhere .
Eversince the Arab invasion there has always been a desire to erradicate the culture and identity of the indigeneous population without any remorse or sometimes a conscience .Thus the indigeneous populations( Berbers, Assyrians and so many more ) have started getting confused about their own identity or even witness it disappear .Before the invasion Moroccan women were actually leading armies ( jewish berber Kahena) and were enjoying lots of privileges .
Truth be told most of the Moroccan population is in fact berber and it has been genetically proven and most of the population is moderate.And I must add to the defense of Arabs in Morocco that they are very different from the kind of arabs in Egypt and in the middle East.I find them to be much better on lots of fronts even if I sometimes find that they would rather stick with other Arabs in the middle East than their Moroccan for example berber fellow citizens.
Anyhow times are changing and now the situation of berbers in Morocco has really improved considering that our King is also half Berber and a man who truly loves his people and who is making all the efforts possible to take Morocco to whole new level.
Slowly but surely the populations resilience will pays off.

I sense some sort of Amaghizen ethnocentrism here... maybe I am dealing with young Amazighen people who had their jolt of berber pride without facing the real problem women experience in Muslim lands... The berber pride is OK but it does not deal with the problem embedded and rooted in the very nature of religious dogma. Again I repeat for those who do not understand and keep diverting a cultural/religi ous issue into an ethnic one. MYSOGYNY IS NOT AN ETHNIC ISSUE, IT IS A RELIGIOUS ONE... and please stop this berber symbolic ethnicity stuff. It is hardly a factor.
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Nellia
0 #35 Re:.......Nellia 2012-10-28 04:19
Dear Redouane,


Religion might have played a role
That is may be why we need to continue in our path towards a secularisation in our political system and laws of course with the king keeping his religious legitimacy.Turk ey is a great example that shows that it can work.
I have no problem with any race I was just giving my take on the chronological evolution of things for women in Morocco so do not take it personally.
My view is that every ethnicity has its good and bad habits but I just don't think that womens rights are the Arabs forte .They might excell in lots of areas but womens rights is not one of them as I have also noticed quite some patronizing towards women with christian Arabs as well. but You might be the exception to the rule.
I just hope that they will put an end to this backward practices. Why is it so hard to abolish such a law? Are the people that doing that thinking they are going to hell if they don't marry a teenager ? What is that ?
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Redouane
+2 #36 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old GirlRedouane 2012-10-28 22:04
Quoting Nellia:
Dear Redouane,


Religion might have played a role
That is may be why we need to continue in our path towards a secularisation in our political system and laws of course with the king keeping his religious legitimacy.Turkey is a great example that shows that it can work.
I have no problem with any race I was just giving my take on the chronological evolution of things for women in Morocco so do not take it personally.
My view is that every ethnicity has its good and bad habits but I just don't think that womens rights are the Arabs forte .They might excell in lots of areas but womens rights is not one of them as I have also noticed quite some patronizing towards women with christian Arabs as well. but You might be the exception to the rule.
I just hope that they will put an end to this backward practices. Why is it so hard to abolish such a law? Are the people that doing that thinking they are going to hell if they don't marry a teenager ? What is that ?

I am all for secularization of society. However, secularization means ultimaletly the downgrading of the religious importance of daily life. You cannot have religion playing a big role and thinking you can get secularization. They are two opposing aspects on how to live one to live your life with religious dogma controling everything or living your life with secular and scientific thinking. And this is quite difficult to do with Islam, because apparently islam is more than a religion, as I hear people explaining to me. If it is not religion than it is a political dogma and it can change by pushing it aside. You asked the question Why is it hard to abolish the law (child marriage). You should read my first entry on this blog.. I gave my take on this... That's why secularization of islam is a wishful thinking... you simply cannot have it both ways....this is the main issue that Westerners are having with islam the religion of peace... all they see is backwardness, mysoginy, destruction of property and terror... Let us not let the religious ignoramuses charlantans incite hatred, fatwas in the name of islam.
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Frankie
0 #37 Marriage!!!!Frankie 2012-11-11 23:10
I have read most of the coments about this article, none of them mentions" PEDIPHILIA".... .Child molesters" what kind of a society that allowes an old man to marry to a little girl? The moslems and Arabs societies are sick to the bones.......... ..........when moslems relocate to the west, they bring nothing with them, but a Long Beard and a Rug
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Frankie
+1 #38 AbdelwahabFrankie 2012-11-11 23:25
Wow, it is really stunning to hear you saying that........... ..I think you should seek help before is too late........Tra Dition? Where is the Law of the Land ?........the people who are into marrying girls are actually fundamentalits moslems, they would do the same if theywere allowed in the west..Europe full of Moslems Terrorists, they are everywhere especially Moroccans....th ey bombimg themselve in every corner for a very early reservation in "JANA" or Heaven, but instead going straight to hell....I never heard or seen any what they call themselves" MODERATE MOSlEMS" condemning terrorims, they are always hiding behind doors...they are cowards they prove to the world that they supporting terrorits...the y are cancer to the west
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T
0 #39 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old GirlT 2012-11-12 05:09
Quoting Angela morris:
The marriage laws of Morocco are not far from the United States. In my home state of New Hampshire, its also permissible for minors to get married even at the age of 13! All you need is parental consent.
marriage-licenses.org/.../...


exactly imo the age of the girl is not the question most of the time the girl is dying for the chance to get married and start her own life outside the control of her parents what i see in morocco is a woman has alot more freedom and control with her husband than her father the only bad thing is she has no choice in the matter and being in the country she cant date and find the right man for her unlucky she is not in the city or would be another story most of the times i hear that modern fathers are understanding and very liberal towards the dowry as long as hes a responsible young man
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Against the hipocrites!!!
0 #40 short replyAgainst the hipocrites!!! 2013-02-07 14:14
Mr Frankie and all who are reading this post!!

When there is inequality , hipocrisy , the slaves of the west and the west will and continue to blame Islam. Learn from History? Who has taught " a paradise in in your mothers feet" Its the Islam. Its really funny to hear lessons of good treatment to women by westerners and weterner slaves. the article itself is ridiculous ..250 dollars ? Can i ask my brother who posted only one question.

My hats off and respect to the girl who decides and take cares of husband and family of whole life for 250 dolars? where else you get a commitment like this.Do you want her to have affairs/valenti nes as you do? is that you want ??
These unholy crap modernizers westerners who pay/receive as prostitutes.
Have some thinking to check from where PORN is born , its the west who created.

Dont teach on how to be civilised..an ARAB/Morocco above all a practising MUSLIM are far better than the open minded slaves of west, When a nun wears a cloak she is sacred? and if a muslimah wears a hijab, west says she is in prisioned in male dominated house hold? When a Rabbi gorws a beard he is respected, then why cant a Muslim man be respected. Read Quran dont just speak a quote of illeterates..en d of the age you and me die one day for Aaqirah.
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Iftikar
0 #41 yes pls!!Iftikar 2013-03-30 09:58
To anyone who agrees to this kind of buying and selling of animals...i mean girls then let me know. I would love to buy your sisters and daughters for $300.
Where do i sign?
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Barry
0 #42 Mr.Barry 2013-03-31 20:42
Sounds good to me, in western countries girls are stuck up, priveleged, and nasty. Take the pressure off your women and they will eat you alive like reptiles, look at the poor bastards in the west who have to be gay cause there's no women left here.
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Hasse
0 #43 RE: Morocco: $250 Extra To Marry 15 Year Old GirlHasse 2013-05-13 10:25
muslim culture sucks fotdoja
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