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Tinghir-Jerusalem: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish Community

Associated Press
Once home to some 300,000 Jews, Morocco is increasingly taking a fresh look at its long history with Judaism and spurning the flat rejection of all things Hebrew found in so many other Arab countries.
Hundreds of members of Islamist and left wing political groups demonstrated outside the Tangiers Film Festival earlier this month against a documentary about Moroccan Jews living in Israel.

 They claimed that director Kamal Hachkar was promoting "normalization" with the Jewish state.
But Hachkar was not expelled from the artists' union, nor was his film banned, and he wasn't ostracized from Morocco's intellectual class, as has happened in similar cases in Egypt and elsewhere. Instead, directors and actors circulated a petition of support, and his film went on to win best work by a new director at the festival.
Once home to some 300,000 Jews, the largest population in the Arab world, Morocco is increasingly taking a fresh look at its long history with Judaism and is spurning the flat rejection of all things Hebrew found in so many other Arab countries.
In the film, "Tinghir-Jerusalem: Echoes from the Mellah," Hachkar talks to people in Berber villages high in the Atlas mountains about their memories of the Jews suddenly leaving for Israel in the 1960s. He then travels to Jerusalem and finds many of these Jews, still speaking Moroccan Arabic and the Berber language, fondly reminiscing about the land they left behind.
"It tells the story of a forgotten part of Morocco's history, a history that is not taught at school," Hachkar told The Associated Press. "My goal is to tell the human story and to defend the plurality of Moroccan history and identity."
The director, who was born in Tinghir but left to live in France with his father at the age of 6 months, has toured all over Morocco showing the film to what he says were packed houses. Most people were initially suspicious, but warmed to the subject when they saw Jews speaking Moroccan Arabic and even the Berber dialect of the High Atlas, he said.
According to Zhor Rehihil, the curator of the Museum for Moroccan Judaism in Casablanca — founded in 1997 and unique in the region — Jews have been part of Morocco since Jewish merchants came to North Africa with the Phoenicians hundreds of years before the birth of Christ.
For centuries they were found in the mountain villages alongside Morocco's Berbers — the original inhabitants of North Africa — who mostly converted to Islam with the arrival of the Arab tribes in the 7th century.
Morocco's Jewish population was invigorated in 1492 when Spain expelled Muslims and Jews, most of whom fled to Morocco and brought with them the sophisticated urban culture of Andalusia.
"The Jews in Morocco were everywhere, in the cities, in the small villages. It was a country with a large and vibrant community of Jews and with their departure, Morocco lost a large part of its history," said Rehihil.
At its peak in the 1950s, there were an estimated 300,000 Jews in Morocco out of a population of some 8 million.
With the establishment of Israel and the encouragement of Zionism, Morocco's Jews left. Some went for religious reasons to seek the long-promised land, some for a better life than in economically troubled post-colonial Morocco, still others who feared persecution.
Unlike elsewhere in the Arab world, the creation of Israel did not spark widespread animosity or attacks on Jews. There were isolated incidents but no national campaign. Many Jews left, however, after being told by Zionist agents they were in danger, said Rehihil.
"Each time there was an Arab-Israeli war, there would be tensions and the Jews would become afraid and some more would leave," she said, adding that most had left by the 1973 war.
Some 5,000 now remain, almost all in Morocco's commercial capital of Casablanca.
As in the rest of the region, however, there has been a heavy focus in Morocco on the plight of the Palestinian people and many Moroccans have started equating Jews with Israel. In May 2003, a series of Al-Qaeda-inspired bombings in Casablanca attacked, among other targets, a Jewish cemetery and a community center, which was empty at the time.
Protests against Israeli military actions are a regular occurrence, the most recent in November over the latest clashes in Gaza. Tens of thousands marched through Casablanca and Rabat in demonstrations attended by members of the governing moderate Islamist party.
"It's not a matter of denying the history of Moroccan Jews nor attacking freedom of expression, but defending one of the principal foundations of the nation, which is to say, no to normalization with the Zionist entity," said Mohammed Khiyi, a member of parliament with the Islamist Party for Justice and Development who demonstrated against Hachkar's film on February 5.
He contended that the film "is trying to do Zionist propaganda. The real Moroccan Jews were those which stayed in their country and were proud, not those the film tries to portray as victims of deportation to Palestine."
A surprising critic of the film is one of Morocco's Jews, Sion Assidon, a leftist activist, former political prisoner and a member of a group advocating the boycott of Israeli products.
"The film is effectively a vehicle for the message of normalizing with Israel," Assidon told the AP. "The people we see are never once questioned about the essential issue, which is that they are colonizers occupying the land of another people that were earlier expelled."
The Moroccan Jews in the film do look back fondly on how well they got on with their Muslim neighbors and lament the daily violence and hatred that characterize the tense relations in Israel today with the Palestinians.
About 1 million Jews of Moroccan origin now live in Israel. Some 50,000 Israelis — many of them Moroccan — visit Morocco every year, said Sam Ben Chetrit, the head of the World Federation of Moroccan Jewry, who moved to Israel from Morocco in 1963.
Ben Chetrit said that on a visit last year, "we were told (by legislators) 'we are happy you are here, this is your home, but make sure you bring your children too.'"
Israel has had a friendlier relationship with Morocco than with other Arab countries, and over the decades, the two have had trade, diplomatic and intelligence links, which have dwindled since the outbreak of the Palestinian uprising in 2000. Tourism, however, has remained constant over the years.
Morocco's monarchy, the real power in the country, has had a complex position of balancing advocacy for Palestinians with a historic role of defending the Jewish community.
On one hand it has presented itself as a protector of Muslim Jerusalem, founding the Jerusalem Committee of the Organization of Islamic Conference to fund projects to help the Palestinians living there. In a speech at an OIC meeting on February 6, King Mohammed VI condemned "the Israeli government's aggressive, unilateral practices against the Palestinians," namely the expansion of settlements.
Morocco played a behind the scenes role in the 1990s getting Israelis and Palestinians to talk to each other and hosted Israel's then prime minister, Shimon Peres, in 1986. Tzipi Livni, then Israeli opposition leader, attended a conference in 2009.
The monarchy has recently spoken more about preserving the Jewish heritage, and Judaism is enshrined as a component of the national identity in the 2011 constitution.
In a ceremony this month that included German parliament speaker Norbert Lammert, the king sent Moroccan Prime Minister Abdelilah Benkirane, of the same Islamist party whose members protested Hachkar's movie, to inaugurate the renovation of the 17th century Slat Alfassiyine synagogue in Fez.
"We are calling for the restoration of all Jewish temples in the different cities of the kingdom so that they are not only places of worship but also spaces for cultural dialogue to renew the founding values of Moroccan civilization," declared the king's speech, which was read by the prime minister.
Rehihil said young Moroccans visiting the museum of Moroccan Judaism on school trips were often hesitant, until they saw how the clothes, caftans and other Jewish artifacts were familiar to them as just Moroccan.
Then the stories come out, she said, as people recalled their grandparents' experiences with Jews.
"I am part of this new generation that did not live with the Jews," said Rehihil, referring to those born after 1960.
"The Muslims were traumatized by the departure of the Jews as well. You will not meet a Moroccan who didn't have someone in the family with a Jewish friend, a Jewish neighbor, or worked with a Jew, or whose grandmother learned embroidery with a Jew or whose grandfather did business with a Jew."

 

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Morcelli
+6 #1 This is a must watchMorcelli 2013-02-28 16:58
Here is the movie and this is another legitimate reason to open full diplomatic relation with Israel. Israel host 1000.0000 jews of Moroccan decent. Are we going to toss history in the name of dead panarabism or as I like to call parasitism?

We have more common history with Jews than with our neighbors who love to screw us.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TNVrKsQ0aTI[/youtube]
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Morcelli
+1 #2 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityMorcelli 2013-02-28 23:35
Moroccan jews never forget their origin as opposed to bouteflika who is so ashamed of his Moroccan decent that he cleared his birthplace, Oujda, which was previously mentioned in his biography on the website of the Algerian presidency


www.elmouradia.dz/francais/president/biographie/Presidentfr.htm

I sincerely feel sorry for the Algerian people being trapped with these people ruling their life.
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Oh Darling
-2 #3 That much needed ennemyOh Darling 2013-03-01 02:06
Hey Morcelli, you have to divert the debate from the content of the article to bring again Algeria.

Do not worry Mr. Masiky is writing right now stuff to nurture the ant-algerian sentiment. Some patience please.

Now I am asking you a serious question related to Israel, Jews. Do you think there are Jews who would like to establish relationships - I mean win-win ones - with Morocco.

If I understand your reasonning ypu expect from Israel to "protect" Morocco from Algeria or rather from its oil. But what Morocco has to offer in return?

If I try - not teasing anyone here - to answer this question myself I cannot think of anything strategic Rabat can offer Tel Aviv. You cannot assume such a role as one held by Turkey. The only thing that interests Israel in Moroccan authorities is to be an ennemy of Algeria, an objectif more than achieved.

Israel is already very satisfied with the level of relationships it has been developping with Morocco, they are not asking for more, but Rabat would like an official relationship they need to put something important on the table.

If you have any suggestion please let us know.

[Please spare us ideas like peace broker in Middle-East, etc]
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Morcelli
0 #4 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityMorcelli 2013-03-01 11:43
Algeria's lobbying activity to defeat Morocco

foreignlobbying.org/client/Government%20of%20the%20People%27s%20Democratic%20Republic%20of%20Algeria%2C%20Embassy/

And they use the services of the jews that they fool their own people into making them hate Jews.


We in Morocco have no problems with Jews, they are Moroccans and will always stay Moroccans and you just need to watch the documentary and see for yourself.
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Morcelli
+1 #5 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityMorcelli 2013-03-01 12:56
I already made my decision not to nurture agents but I also made a decision to teach help them understand that Morocco has many cards to play. Unfortunately our government are too worried to start thinking outside the box.

One of the priceless benefits that Morocco could provide to Israel is: Iran on a silver plate

The GCC and Israel main and ultimate concern at this time is nuclear Iran. Morocco serving as catalyst between the GCC and Israel could be detrimental for the Israelis.

Primo- Right now Israel is on its own against Iran in the middle east, bringing the richest countries on earth to side with Israel would be a dream come true for the Israelis and for the GCC. And who is better placed to make this happen? After All, without Morocco, Egypt will still be at war with Israel minus their land.

Secundo- Israel sees the GCC market with lust and who is better than Morocco to bring the 2 sides closer when we know they are 1 million Jew of Moroccan decent in Israel?

If I were you, I would stick with Mali, Niger, Chad, and libya. There are all yours and that is all I am going to say, if you need to learn, many MBoardists here are ready to waste their brain cells and saliva with you people.

I tried to have a decent discussion with the agents here but unfortunately their only goal is to win the debate with copying and pasting articles from their Algerian news media.


lastly right when I start asking why is it that ALL are Algerians "forgive me" dumb, there comes Tewfik who totally proved me wrong.
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haras
0 #6 to Oh Hatingharas 2013-03-01 14:19
You wrote: "The only thing that interests Israel in Moroccan authorities is to be an ennemy of Algeria, an objectif more than achieved."

First Enemy is one "n", and objective, is with a "v" and "e", you're not to blame, the IT department at DRS needs to know about it though...

on the substance though, I have only one answer for you: "il ne faut pas peter plus haut que son..."

We still have some questions for you to answer, on the training and weapons you provide to Palestinians, and on the number of casualties you inflicted on Israel during them battles... if you still have no answer, "koun tahcham ou darag zlaftek"...

Galek Israel, Mali is bypassing you to seek help from France, and the French are treating your country like a gas station for their war planes... and you still think you are a concern for... WA BAZ, WA ALLAH YA3TEEENA WJOUHKOUM.... WA S'HAH
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Oh Darling!
0 #7 Nothing to offer, all you had to give ? Israel got it alreadyOh Darling! 2013-03-01 16:35
Morocco has nothing to offer to Israel, actually to any other nation.

It is like a lady covered with shame, once its dignity is taken away, it is left completely naked, she takes to streets to sell its body.

You have offered to Isreal 100000 Moroccan Jews to the detriment of Palestinians and did Israel give back? A STAMP, when I think that Hassan 2 sold its Jews for $50.000, I cannot think to myself what a bargan the Israeli got.

I never thought I would read anything funny on MB, but Mr. Schizofreny made me laugh : Morocco offering Iran to Israel, Ha, hah!!!!

And the other boring idiot counting misspellings instaed of helping his friend Schizofreney to find what Morocco can offer to Israel.

Even your Lalla could only think of a necklace - I am sure you admit this is not a brillaint idea.

Ha, ha, ha, hahhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa
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Aziz El Alami
0 #8 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityAziz El Alami 2013-03-01 18:48
@ Cousin Morcelli -- I am almost at a the brink of decrying, denouncing and disassociating myself from anything I’ve ever had in common with you -- But you know I would never do that, I admire you too much :-))) Besides, I wouldn’t want to give Mr. Chtaini the satisfaction of witnessing the annihilation of the Morcelli/Alami/ ManEnBlanc wolf pack :-))) Kidding Mr. Chtaini, I’m sure you know we all think the world of you.

But seriously Morcelli, I admire your relentless Moroccanism but it is starting to remind me of “MoroccanPatrio t” obsession with Zionism. Speaking of which, isn’t that what this article is about???

Here are my two cents about Moroccan Jews and Jews in general: Cents!!!! That’s right, cents as in Dirham, Rial or Alleffrank. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that -- and this is a philosophy I wish we could all subscribe to.

On a marginal note, restoring all those Synagogues in Morocco would mean diddly-squat: More than half of our population is still illiterate and they are constantly being fed a healthy dose of “Hate The Jews – They are the Source of all your Miseries”. What a shame!

Lucky for me and unlike man en blanc, I did not grow up in a “Hate The Jews” environment. Mine was a lot more tolerant. Jews were welcomed in my household…. Shlooh and Laaroubia on the other hand, Not So Much :-)))) Kidding you my Shlooh and Aaroubia Friends:-))))
meb – I loved your comment about hating the Fassis as an alternative. It really made me laugh :-)))

Where is Rodney King when we need him?
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Morcelli
0 #9 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityMorcelli 2013-03-01 21:05
Aziz el alami,
And I thought you dig me:)) It's not my Morocconism plutot my anti dumb algerianism. They are so imbecile that i really feel for Benkirane and el othmani.

I do however find pleasure when I think that we kicked their ass in Marrakesh regardless of their bif nif.
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dris fasla
+4 #10 THIS LAND IS THE LAND OF ABRAHAMdris fasla 2013-03-01 23:19
Morocco is the Land of our Ancestors, for Both Berbers and Jews.
Lived side by side for Over 2000 Years,with Harmony
Maybe they have something in common,Trust Relation,Life Relation,They respected each other,they shared Food,Music,Song s,Celebrations, and Maybe,Maybe
( Blood relation )?????????^_^
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haras
0 #11 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish Communityharas 2013-03-02 00:23
Oh Hating,

You kicked all your jews out after the liberation of Algeria, where did they go? think deep and hard, then recognize or don't that Hassan II was smart for getting paid for what he doesn't own anyway...

On the principle, I am against what he did, but compared to what your country did, I give him a pass... (you get the fail, sorry but I can't trust you to get it on your own)

I have another question for you, before you answer go and check your history books, google won't help, WHAT did Algerians do to get the Moroccan Sultan to send his troops to Isly? that would be my answer to your attack on the naked woman in shame...

Back to substance, since the misspelling thing was taken care of (They're quick at the DRS, was it the keyboard or did they just need to reactivate the English word recognition option?), where are the answers to my questions...

Here are the questions: We need facts on the training and weapons (including kitchen knives) that Algeria provided to Palestinians, and the number of casualties you inflicted on Israel during them many battles...

And in relation to your response, I have a totally new question for you: If Morocco and Moroccans have no value to you or to your country, what in god's name do you spend so much time on MOROCCOboard?
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man en blanc
+1 #12 Open the Borders... with ISRAEL!man en blanc 2013-03-02 03:12
Keep the borders closed with Algeria! they had some many chances to act as a country, and they failed to be even a douar!
Israel on the other hand is a COUNTRY! It violated every U.N. directive and lived to violate more. It is called, wait, I am thinking, Chutzpah? No. I need a non-Jewish word here. Smartness? Nope.too mundane. What do the Jews do so well that it drive the Arab World into a frenzy of car bombs, suicide belts and Sharia-inspired Salades Russes of Fatwas, revenges, amputations, beheadings...etc
Amazing birth control devices if you wanna control the spread of the very bearded maniacs who are causing all the mayhem that gives the Arabs a bad name.
Arabs have a bad name? How hilarious is that? And how did I miss it? I could have sworn that the Arabs are nice, decent and very Moslem.
Yeah that last part is kind of worrisome. But, Moslems are known to be very understanding, just ask Algeria how it dealt with their grievances when they won the election.
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MB???
0 #13 HEYMB??? 2013-03-02 07:18
MB, you lost me folks...What's up with all these pro Israeli articles that you have been posting as of late? Everyone knows we have no beef with Jews but our position (CORE MOROCCANS not the likes of Zionist Morceli and Man en Zion) on the state of Israel is clear. Stop the propaganda boys, will ya?!
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JR
0 #14 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityJR 2013-03-03 11:29
Wow, these back and fourth arguments are entertaining. Each side is defending the regimes they have escaped. Of course, I'm assuming that most of the people posting here do actually live in the US. My very simple and basic question to everyone here, Algerians and Moroccans, if you believe that either government is so great that you are defending them, what on earth are you doing her in the US. Go back and live under the same regimes you are defending. I'm sorry, but this is total non-sense. UNLESS, those who are arguing in such vehement way are in fact agents of their respective governments in disguise. I'm actually ashamed to read the non-sense arguments here. Both, Moroccan and Algerian, regimes have blood on their hands and do not deserve one iota of respect, let alone defending their causes.

BTW, read Agnès Bensimon's book "Hasan II Et Les Juifs". There is plenty in there to answer the question of Moroccan Jews' exodus. And while you're at it, look up "Operation Mural" and "David Littman".

And I'm not Algerian. I'm a true Bidaoui Ghiwani, Wydadi, who doesn't believe on either side's propaganda. Both sides are wrong. Move on, unless you're being paid to write this crap on here. Sorry, I left Morocco soon after the Casablanca Massacres of 81. I was detained, thrown in jail and tortured for the simple fact that I was a students in the wrong place at the wrong time. I will never forget that Saturday as long as I live. I missed my university exams the following week, no thanks to Hassan II and his brutal regime. So to my Moroccan colleagues here, please spare me the non-sense BS defending a regime that still oppresses its own people. As for my Algerian friends, well your record speaks for itself. Go home and look in the mirror. You're just as ugly as the Moroccan ones.
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Oh Darling!
0 #15 Long participation to JR on MBOh Darling! 2013-03-03 13:47
JR, first thank you for your post and the references.

If you are new to MB you will soon loose your illusions because the editorial logic of MB pushes to a confrontation between Moroccans and Algerians.

I made some suggestions on how both participants can exchange on a basis of mutual respect and critical approches to Morocco's and ALgeria's shortecomings, and on how to discuss the future of Maghreb.

This cannot happen with the writing of MR Masiky and to some extinct Mr Chtaini.
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Morcelli
0 #16 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityMorcelli 2013-03-03 20:40
The way I see it is Algerians are great people unfortunately in MB we are dealt the filth of Algeria. These guys you see here are agents and if you cannot see it, then there must ne something wrong with you.

We keep chasing them like stray cats and asking them to go and they won't go. They say they have a nif and I am more than certain that an Algerian with nif will never come back here if/when S/he is unwelcome but nooooo they keep coming back like filthy rats.

Do you think that these people are not paid? They see their "honor" being trashed over and over and they keep coming back.

One of this rubbish said that this is his last post, instead, he is sending more posts than ever. Really? last post?

He said MB is racist and biased? really? and you keep coming back.

If any of us say this is my last post, I know that will be your last post. not the agents, they are pests that we need to exterminate.
YAK!!!
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haras
0 #17 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish Communityharas 2013-03-03 21:06
Si JR,

I have a real problem with all the Moroccans who come here to bash Morocco for an incident in the 80s, then suggest that both sides on any "discussion" between Moroccans and Algerians are wrong...

I know people from my own family who were jailed during the 70s and 80s, and didn't have the chance to go to another country to restart their lives, yet, on issues like the Sahara, the diplomatic and economic wars that Algeria is waging, they are clear, Algeria needs to stop that crap...

Should I remind you that a true opponent like Abderrahim Bouabid was jailed for openly disapproving of Hassan II decision to accept the referendum on/in the Sahara...

I hope you're not one of then Extreme leftists guys... who are against everything in Morocco...

As for going back to live under the same regimes, I have an advice for you, next time avoid giving people this kind of advice when they don't live "fdar bak", as we say in Moroccan. On the factual part, you seem to have no clue that the NEW and YOUNG generation is very much open to that option, and when they decide to do so, it is generally despite the ECONOMIC downside from moving back...

Oh Hating
So you skip the real questions and you make suggestions, why don't you start on your president's website and ask him to put his birthplace in his biography...
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man en blanc
+3 #18 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish Communityman en blanc 2013-03-03 21:06
How did we go from celebrating the rich history of Moroccan Jews to talking about the sorry Algerian state of affairs?
For the last time guys! Algerian and its various e-reincarnation s is a paid agent. It's probably just a computer-genera ted thingy that the Algerian creaky P.R. machine put together to disrupt the flow of ideas on the ol' MB.
Let's not fall for it guys!
Anyway, I am happy to report that more and more Jews are flocking back to Morocco to start businesses and hopefully giving our economy a serious jolt.
Mazel Tov!
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JR
-1 #19 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityJR 2013-03-04 19:36
Quoting haras:
Si JR,

I have a real problem with all the Moroccans who come here to bash Morocco for an incident in the 80s, then suggest that both sides on any "discussion" between Moroccans and Algerians are wrong...

I know people from my own family who were jailed during the 70s and 80s, and didn't have the chance to go to another country to restart their lives, yet, on issues like the Sahara, the diplomatic and economic wars that Algeria is waging, they are clear, Algeria needs to stop that crap...

Should I remind you that a true opponent like Abderrahim Bouabid was jailed for openly disapproving of Hassan II decision to accept the referendum on/in the Sahara...

I hope you're not one of then Extreme leftists guys... who are against everything in Morocco...

As for going back to live under the same regimes, I have an advice for you, next time avoid giving people this kind of advice when they don't live "fdar bak", as we say in Moroccan. On the factual part, you seem to have no clue that the NEW and YOUNG generation is very much open to that option, and when they decide to do so, it is generally despite the ECONOMIC downside from moving back...

Oh Hating
So you skip the real questions and you make suggestions, why don't you start on your president's website and ask him to put his birthplace in his biography...


Si Harass,

First of all, the Casablanca massacres of June '81 were no "incident". If killing innocent people, throwing others in jails and torturing them, is just an incident, then I think I have an idea whom I'm dealing with.

Secondly, a great Moroccan leader was thrown in jail because he didn't see eye to eye with the regime on a specific issue. What's your point? Submit or you'll be thrown in jail? Is that what you advocate? Is that the Moroccan democracy? Or should I say, the Moroccan exception. Exception indeed.

I'm not here to pick a bone with you nor the Algerians. Besides, my post didn't address you directly. But since you directed your post directly at me, I'll answer you. I must have hit a nerve. Otherwise you wouldn't have answered directly. Morceli, whom I've exchanged a few posts with in the past, addressed the issue in a very diplomatic wand calm way. I command him. You must be agent I was alluding to then.

Open your mind my friend. Just because I don't tow the Moroccan line doesn't make me any lesser Moroccan than you or anyone else for that matter. I love Morocco as much as anyone else. And it's because of that reason that I feel the need to speak up and tell the truth when needed. My definition of a Moroccan is not just the one who drinks the Kool Aid. It's because I care that I have, every now and then, to call a spade a spade. Enough with the charade and hiding behind the veil. It's a brand new world my friend. People are free to speak their mind and express their opinions.

And just because I stated a point of view that does not sit well with your way of thinking, it does not make me a leftist, rightist, extremist or any other ist you can think of. I'm for democracy, justice and liberty. Pick any label you want. Have at it. Do you want my Moroccan National ID card too? I'll be more than happy to provide you with the #. the card itself was lost many decades ago. Just don't be surprised when the background check comes back with something totally different than the image you seem to have put in your mind. See my friend, I've done so much for Morocco, in a quiet way, that you wouldn't even stop and think that just because people express different opinions, it doesn't necessarily make them traitors or evil. Many of us care more than you'd fathom. But wouldn't accept being told how and/or when.

As for going back to Morocco. I wasn't giving you advice my friend. I was merely stating a point of view. Besides, it's free country, stick around go or go as you please. Makes no difference to me. However, I don't need to get to the gutters with your "fdar bak" type of language. I left junior high school many decades ago.

As for the young Moroccan generation comment, I'm really not sure how you came to the conclusion that I have no clue. What part of my post stated that?

Of course, there is a young and vibrant generation that's eager and willing to participate in the debate and policies that will shape and affect their lives. They're active in economic and social development. They also want to be taken seriously. Not business as usual, which seems to be the case. I'm sure you know that 38% of the total Moroccan population is represented by young people aged between 15 to 34 yo. The sad thing though is that the majority of these young people dream to live elsewhere. Their motivations are economic, political, social, and cultural. Low income, high unemployment, poverty, human rights violations, and lack of a decent government & governance, are a few of the reasons these young people want to migrate. Consider this, Morocco was the largest and fastest growing sender of migrants to other countries with 1,447,486 migrants in 2001 and 2,341,093 migrants in 2010 (an increase of 62% in 10 years.) Morocco is the highest sender of migrants amongst all Arab countries. Almost 33% of all Arab migrants are Moroccans.
So you tell me Si harass, why are these numbers so high, if Morocco is such a wonderful country? Oh I forgot, L'exception Marocaine. Whatever that means.

BTW, if you need the source for those statistics, look up CARIM - Consortium for Applied Research on International Migration. Or any international organization that specializes on such subjects. The numbers don't lie. Those are facts my friend.

Here's my gift to you. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UYtw61uuk8A#!
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haras
+4 #20 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish Communityharas 2013-03-04 23:26
SI JR,

What I was talking about when I said "incident" is what happened to YOU, but you choose to deflect the argument to make it a shot at all the people that died in massacres... that's cheap

I mentioned Abderahim Bouabid, jailed with El Yazghi if I am not wrong, some thirty years ago, as a proof that the issue of sahara , to me, is BIGGER THAN THE KING or any political system in Morocco, but again, you choose to deflect the argument... that's cheap

If you are here to comment on the government or the king, have at it, as long as your facts are factually true, as a matter of fact, Egypt is the largest sender of migrants among Arab Nations... it is just normal that Morocco comes next, given the POVERTY and the proximity to Europe, and most Moroccans I know agree that they migrate for economic reasons... but you're free to think as you please...

The main issue that is causing the exchanges between Moroccans and Algerians on MB, is the Sahara issue, so when somebody comes here, to tell us that he is Moroccan yet he finds that both sides are totally wrong, I am sorry, I will go against them with just the same fervor with which I address the Algerian agents...

Based on your writing, and the display of intellectual integrity with which you handled my previous post, I say this discussion has ended before it started...
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Frankie
+2 #21 JewsFrankie 2013-03-08 19:57
They are Moroccans, They were born there, have the same right as everybody else in Morocco........ ....Why people are full of Hate
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Nellia
+2 #22 Morcelli you are rightNellia 2013-03-13 05:48
Morcelli you are right on.That is what I call common sense.
I am all for opening full diplomatic relations with Israel .We have a community of over 1 000 000 Moroccan Israelis who ache to keep in touch with their country of origin and their brothers and sisters .
Besides Israel has always been helpful in times of need in the past and has never created any problems for Morocco unlike the ever so conniving neighbors that will stick it to you as soon as you turn your back.
Any kind of nationalism followed by a race next to it is just wrong and immoral and should have no place in the history of humanity.
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Hbal
-3 #23 RE: Tinghir-Jerusal em: Film Unearths Forgotten Memories Of Lost Jewish CommunityHbal 2013-03-16 17:14
"Any kind of nationalism followed by a race next to it is just wrong and immoral and should have no place in the history of humanity."

You mean like Zionism? Loooool
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