Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach
- SARAH ZAAIMI
- 07/03/11
Morocco Board News-- I was never good in mathematics, but when it’s political mathematics I don’t mind trying. So 98,5% of Moroccans voted YES, only 1,51% voted NO, 73% participated, and the other 27% probably boycotted the Referendum, went shopping during the sales at Zara, went bronzing in Dar Bouazza, or are part of the confused X% to which I belong!
What Does It Mean To Be An X%? Well it simply means that you have a monarchist 19 years brother who voted YES, a nationalist father who call you at 8 a.m from Rabat to Alexandria to remind you to go do your national duty of voting, a politically passive aunt who never had any political position but who suddenly decided to vote YES not to let Feb20 movement decide for her, and hundreds of friends in real and virtual life who find every royal discourse holy and every royal gesture so CUTE and worth sharing on social networks. It also means that you have journalist friends whom you trust saying NO, activists you believe in deciding to boycott the vote, and other hundreds of friends who demonstrate in the streets every Sunday since the 20th of February. If you are like me you were feeling torn between the YES and the NO and finally decided not to vote on the first of July, because you prefer letting mathematics being the referee between the YES and the NO!
The Masses Said YES! And the biggest mistake is to think that the masses are not mature enough to decide for themselves. It doesn’t mean that if they were not present on twitter and facebook like you, that they don’t have a voice and an opinion about their country. Also, please stop saying that we are an illiterate country and most didn’t even read the project of the constitution, because this will be underestimating the intelligence of your fellow Moroccans educated and illetrate together, who don’t need to have a degree in constitutional law to know that it is about the redefinition of the three pillars of the Moroccan modern state: Allah (Religion), Al Watan (Territory), Al Malik (Monarchy). Furthermore, this 98,5% shows how much the new Moroccan ‘‘elites’’ are isolated in their virtual world and closed circles of people who look exactly like themselves, to the extent that they really believed for a second that the Moroccan masses will revolt, and this referendum is a reality chock which we should not take with the classical reaction of refusal, but with the maturity of reconsidering our choices and stop talking and media, social media and bars and start listening to the beat of the deep society!
The Cheap Makhzen Propaganda! The fact that I support the decision of the Moroccan people whatever it is, doesn’t mean I support the archaic way the Makhzen managed this referendum. For the NOz all people saying yes were corrupted and manipulated and for the YESz all people saying no are traitors and foreign spies, and these Manichean campaigns went on as July first was approaching. Yet, the Makhzen over abused its mobilisation tools and made us feel that the soul of Idriss el Bassri was there somewhere directing all this, with all the Mkadems, Kayeds, Consular Affairs, Police Forces… ‘’encouraging’’ the people to vote YES. Then you have the eternal magical religious card, with the Sufi brotherhoods hitting the streets and praying the whole night for the Monarchy, and the Imams at the Friday prayers preaching in favour of the constitution. Then comes our almighty king going to vote in his fabulous Djellaba, reminding us of his religious authority and that it’s not time for the modernity of suites and ties in our traditional kingdom of Morocco. All I can say is: Halleluiah and Bravo for the big communication hit!
Back To The Constitution Itself: Personally I don’t think that the constitution was that bad, but we could have done better. First, when you read it you feel that it is a Very Moroccan constitution, written by Moroccans in response to current changes, and has nothing to do with the copy-pasted constitutions we used to have from the French ones. A second positive aspect is that the text constitutionalised all the assets and gains of the past 10 years: women rights, the rights of Moroccans Resident Abroad, human rights, prevalence of international laws over national laws, Advanced Regionalization, Human Development etc. But my personal 5 favourite articles, remains: 1. Unconditional Freedom of Expression, 2. Access to State Information, 3. Communication Privacy Rights, 4. No more Detentions, Tortures or Invasion of homes, 5. Youth Inclusion and Participation as constitutional rights. So yes the king didn’t give up of much of his military, political or religious powers, but whom do you trust in Morocco to give them to? And imagine with me one moment what we can do with my favourite 5 articles?
So I would like to thank the Moroccan People illiterates and educated for making the choice on behalf of us poor confused X%, to thank the Constitutional Committee who were clever enough not to bother the king and at the same time gave us space to militate from within the system, and to thank Feb20 movement for spicing up the political debate. From my side, if I have to live with this constitution, I promise to abuse every single constitutional right I have, starting with Freedom of Expression!
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COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-03 00:54
Sarah,
Great article and enjoy you trip to the beach, I would like to add that short of separating religion and politics, we have our loophole in keeping all religious authority in the hand of the king, who is more progressive than he can let it be known...just look at his lifestyle and modern wife.
I would rather have the king hold religious power than have it controlled by politicians, just imagine if the PJD or even the party of the isticlal get their guys in charge of the gov and hold a majority in both houses, without the Amir al Mouminines clause, they could feasibly pass laws based on religion, such as dress code for woman or ban all sort of non Islamic music festivals...
Great article and enjoy you trip to the beach, I would like to add that short of separating religion and politics, we have our loophole in keeping all religious authority in the hand of the king, who is more progressive than he can let it be known...just look at his lifestyle and modern wife.
I would rather have the king hold religious power than have it controlled by politicians, just imagine if the PJD or even the party of the isticlal get their guys in charge of the gov and hold a majority in both houses, without the Amir al Mouminines clause, they could feasibly pass laws based on religion, such as dress code for woman or ban all sort of non Islamic music festivals...
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Willful blindness - saluting the courage of the brave —
2011-07-03 01:18
We are in eternal debt as Moroccans to the bravery exhibited by the demonstrators who risked the retribution of the Makhzen and have the broken bones and bruises that lay testament to their willingness to affect positive change.
As we sit here reading comments, as I sit here writing this commentary, I recognize that I do not yet have the courage that the members of the Feb 20th organization have already demonstrated. Were it not for the members of 20 Fev. there would never have been any half hearted attempt by the regime in Morocco to pretend to listen to the will of the people. We owe the demonstrators, the real patriots of Morocco everything.
I personally do not believe in street demonstrations. I believe in economics. I believe that if Moroccans use economics and information effectively they can bring down the regime by economically targeting the holding companies that provide the life's blood to the monster that is called the Makhzen.
We will see a steady decline in the MASI over the next few weeks. We will see a gradual decrease in the purchasing power of the Dirham. We will even see a bigger slide in property prices. The people who celebrate the idea that, "the people have spoken" are exercising willful blindness.
They are willfully blind to the fact that the majority will NEVER be the ones who affect positive change. Positive change is only brought about by the determination of a small group of people to overcome the shackles of oppression. Throughout history, we have seen that it is always the small group of informed, dedicated and united individuals that bring about great changes. Morocco will be no exception.
I have always believed that the difference between failure and success is not actually accomplishing or not accomplishing a given task, rather, it is in the ability of the individual to motivate the group to maintain their perseverance in the face of great adversity; success lies in the willingness of the group to suffer for their beliefs.
Today, as over a million Moroccans all over the country take to the streets to demonstrate against the disregard shown by the Makhzen for the integrity of Moroccans, and showing their indomitable will to not back down in the face of overwhelming odds. Today, people who believe in Freedom all over the world should salute the fortitude and the bravery of the protesters.
As we sit here reading comments, as I sit here writing this commentary, I recognize that I do not yet have the courage that the members of the Feb 20th organization have already demonstrated. Were it not for the members of 20 Fev. there would never have been any half hearted attempt by the regime in Morocco to pretend to listen to the will of the people. We owe the demonstrators, the real patriots of Morocco everything.
I personally do not believe in street demonstrations. I believe in economics. I believe that if Moroccans use economics and information effectively they can bring down the regime by economically targeting the holding companies that provide the life's blood to the monster that is called the Makhzen.
We will see a steady decline in the MASI over the next few weeks. We will see a gradual decrease in the purchasing power of the Dirham. We will even see a bigger slide in property prices. The people who celebrate the idea that, "the people have spoken" are exercising willful blindness.
They are willfully blind to the fact that the majority will NEVER be the ones who affect positive change. Positive change is only brought about by the determination of a small group of people to overcome the shackles of oppression. Throughout history, we have seen that it is always the small group of informed, dedicated and united individuals that bring about great changes. Morocco will be no exception.
I have always believed that the difference between failure and success is not actually accomplishing or not accomplishing a given task, rather, it is in the ability of the individual to motivate the group to maintain their perseverance in the face of great adversity; success lies in the willingness of the group to suffer for their beliefs.
Today, as over a million Moroccans all over the country take to the streets to demonstrate against the disregard shown by the Makhzen for the integrity of Moroccans, and showing their indomitable will to not back down in the face of overwhelming odds. Today, people who believe in Freedom all over the world should salute the fortitude and the bravery of the protesters.
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COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-03 01:55
The daft (no mis-spelt) constitution now the new constitution approved by whole of Morocco for the Moroccans by the Moroccans should be welcomed! The five articles you have highlighted are commendable that the constitution affords its citizens, but do you really believe that it is going to be so? Do you for a moment believe that we will not see detentions and tortures anymore? Or access to state information would be a routine? And really there is going to be expression of freedom?
In Marrakech people rushing out quickly from mosques were not to cast their king given right to vote for him but to their couscous lunch as usual. There was no visible feel that it was a D-Day for Morocco. It is amazing how people have been brain-washed that they could not decide what constitution says nor they can accept challenges to better their lives.
Sad of all is that the imams' job is to guide people away from Hell-Fire and not make them follow firhoun.
In Marrakech people rushing out quickly from mosques were not to cast their king given right to vote for him but to their couscous lunch as usual. There was no visible feel that it was a D-Day for Morocco. It is amazing how people have been brain-washed that they could not decide what constitution says nor they can accept challenges to better their lives.
Sad of all is that the imams' job is to guide people away from Hell-Fire and not make them follow firhoun.
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#4
Congratulations , or something... —
2011-07-03 02:52
Well, the people have spoken. I don't buy the 98% figure, that's just the regime being greedy and comically hedging its bets. But, I do believe the real number is closer to 70%, which is still a very impressive vote of confidence in the King. And as they say, you can't argue against success.
As for the Feb 20th movement and other dissatisfied entities, they MUST abide by the will of the people. Those endless demonstrations are getting to be more and more disruptive to our very fragile economy and might provoke the ire of certain powerful people who are not known for being gracious winners.
so let's not be sour losers here.
As for the Feb 20th movement and other dissatisfied entities, they MUST abide by the will of the people. Those endless demonstrations are getting to be more and more disruptive to our very fragile economy and might provoke the ire of certain powerful people who are not known for being gracious winners.
so let's not be sour losers here.
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#5
Surpriiiiise! —
2011-07-03 03:36
Dear Morocco Board Friends,
I like to start by saying happy 4th everyone, enjoy the lamb skewers, shwaled, and even the couscous as I do in the evening, enjoy the fireworks as well.
I would like you to take a quick peak at these numbers, and in order for me to be democratic and not to affect your conclusion, I am not going to comment on them. Feel free to think as you wish.
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1962 For/Pour 97.0%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1970 For/Pour 98.8%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1972 For/Pour 98.8%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 23 May 1980 For/Pour 99.6%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 30 May 1980 For/Pour 96.7%
Moroccan parliamentary mandate referendum, 1989 For/Pour 100%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1992 For/Pour 99.96%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1995 For/Pour 100%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1996 For/Pour 99.5%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 2011 For/Pour 98.5%
I like to start by saying happy 4th everyone, enjoy the lamb skewers, shwaled, and even the couscous as I do in the evening, enjoy the fireworks as well.
I would like you to take a quick peak at these numbers, and in order for me to be democratic and not to affect your conclusion, I am not going to comment on them. Feel free to think as you wish.
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1962 For/Pour 97.0%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1970 For/Pour 98.8%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1972 For/Pour 98.8%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 23 May 1980 For/Pour 99.6%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 30 May 1980 For/Pour 96.7%
Moroccan parliamentary mandate referendum, 1989 For/Pour 100%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1992 For/Pour 99.96%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1995 For/Pour 100%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 1996 For/Pour 99.5%
Moroccan constitutional referendum, 2011 For/Pour 98.5%
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COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-03 03:45
Al Adl Wal Ihsan, Annahj and the PSU are controlling the Feb 20th mouvement and no one denies their anti democratic ideologies, so Mr. patriot your statement that the minuscule minority will go against the will of the majority-98.5%- and save them from their "slavery" Is arrogant and anti democratic, it confirms what we Already know about your group of Taliban clones and bolchevists wannabes.
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yeah, we made it —
2011-07-03 05:58
i wanna congratulate all my moroccan poeple for taking a dive into a democratic space unknown , it's awesome , just to show you how my moroccan poeple are so free and gentle and willing to settle for less, congratulations again on well deserve, democracy, freedom, justice and equality to all, god bless morocco.
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COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-03 06:14
Morcelli,
Since you are contesting the referendum's result, I recommend that you demand a recount.
Today was supposed to be the February 20th opportunity to prove To the world your point about the vote....guess what? Only a thousand people showed up in Casablanca, half of them were veiled and the other half bearded...do you really want them to lead us?
How about a recount, I believe that we got 99.985% Yes votes..not 98.49%...we got robbed.
Since you are contesting the referendum's result, I recommend that you demand a recount.
Today was supposed to be the February 20th opportunity to prove To the world your point about the vote....guess what? Only a thousand people showed up in Casablanca, half of them were veiled and the other half bearded...do you really want them to lead us?
How about a recount, I believe that we got 99.985% Yes votes..not 98.49%...we got robbed.
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COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-03 06:33
Man en blanc,
This is not about wining or losing, the F20 did not enter the struggle to win or to lose, they entered this fight to better the life of the Moroccans who were dragged and bribed to vote yes, to end corruption and nepotism, to ask for a new and independent judicial system, to make those who rule us responsible for every action they take, to make everyone accountable for what he/she supposed to do but does not.
F6 does not want to enter a fight with M6, they never asked for the ouster of M6, they want him to reign without his elite. The elite that depleted and still does steal Morocco.
If anything, we should be grateful to these young courageous folks. When I was au lycee', my schoolmates would toss class tables from the 3rd floor to the ground, vandalize the entire school, now the younger generation is much more civilized and peaceful. They want to change Morocco the peaceful way without resorting to looting and vandalism. Their only weapon is Facebook, youtube, or Tweeter.
Check out the numbers that i provided below and you will understand why these young people are so tired of being treated like idiots when for 50 years we never had under 96% vote. Even if the naysayers are dead we would never get 96% and above yes votes.
These are not sour losers, they are brave young women and men not being deterred by this non sense of a CONstition.
I surely hope that they continue to ask for the change that every Moroccan is longing for. I hope that they do no lose hope and give up, otherwise, the next generation of Moroccan will be simple Moroccans serving M6's elite.
This is not about wining or losing, the F20 did not enter the struggle to win or to lose, they entered this fight to better the life of the Moroccans who were dragged and bribed to vote yes, to end corruption and nepotism, to ask for a new and independent judicial system, to make those who rule us responsible for every action they take, to make everyone accountable for what he/she supposed to do but does not.
F6 does not want to enter a fight with M6, they never asked for the ouster of M6, they want him to reign without his elite. The elite that depleted and still does steal Morocco.
If anything, we should be grateful to these young courageous folks. When I was au lycee', my schoolmates would toss class tables from the 3rd floor to the ground, vandalize the entire school, now the younger generation is much more civilized and peaceful. They want to change Morocco the peaceful way without resorting to looting and vandalism. Their only weapon is Facebook, youtube, or Tweeter.
Check out the numbers that i provided below and you will understand why these young people are so tired of being treated like idiots when for 50 years we never had under 96% vote. Even if the naysayers are dead we would never get 96% and above yes votes.
These are not sour losers, they are brave young women and men not being deterred by this non sense of a CONstition.
I surely hope that they continue to ask for the change that every Moroccan is longing for. I hope that they do no lose hope and give up, otherwise, the next generation of Moroccan will be simple Moroccans serving M6's elite.
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#10
Forein interference —
2011-07-03 07:06
What disturbed me most was the reaction of foreign countries that congratulated Morocco for this 'success', especially France. They are really making fun of us. They should have compared their constitutions with ours first. They also know, better than we do, all about the violations that marred the referendum. France is still colonizing Morocco via its companies, personalities and rulers with French passports. France Should get its hands off Moroccan politics. Enough is enough with colonialism
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#11
Ministry of Trigonometry —
2011-07-03 08:28
Main en blanc was it a will of people that the king is still there? Today in Marrakech the buses were stopped apparently something to do with 20Feb mov protests. There you have it, those gracious winners will no doubt exercise their 70% or is 90% or maybe even 100% approval to kill off any FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION in the name of law and order. Those demonstrating are no doubt the minority 1 or 2 percent not link to the king. Such are the affairs Kingdom of Morocc.
Morcelli if those figures are correct then the staff at the Ministry of Trigonometry needs to be sacked. But realistically something in the 90ish is better then any other figures, it is figure of king's treasure. So no surprise there.
Morcelli if those figures are correct then the staff at the Ministry of Trigonometry needs to be sacked. But realistically something in the 90ish is better then any other figures, it is figure of king's treasure. So no surprise there.
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#12
Study History —
2011-07-03 08:51
The American Revolution was not won by the Majority of Americans. It is a well known fact that the torries, were staunch supporters of the Monarchy. It is also a well known fact that the majority of our founding fathers were considered terrorists and zealots by the crown. Finally, as all students of history know, the vast majority simply did not want to get involved with the idealistic revolutionaries nor did they have a particularly deep love for the British crown.
The American Revolution was won because of a small group of dedicated men, who strongly believed in the principal of no taxation without representation. They also strongly believed in freedom.
Fast forward 330 years later, we can see the same history playing itself out in Morocco. History will not be kind to those who make excuses for the unethical way that the Moroccan government is behaving. History will make note that it was the young, those who had absolutely nothing to lose, it was they who led the revolutions against neo colonialism throughout north Africa.
The game has changed. Demographics are on the side of the young. Demographics are on the side of Freedom. The Makhzen will lose, it is only a question of time and how much blood will be shed. I truly hope that cooler heads within the makhzen prevail and that they will see the error of their ways and allow real freedom to take root in Morocco and North Africa by extension.... but you have to remember, these are the same clowns that had magazines destroyed because they had an opinion poll on how good of a job people felt the king was doing.
The Makhzen does not live in the real world. They live in a world, like much of the ruling class that is devoid of religion, devoid of integrity and lacking in any semblence of integrity or honor.
The American Revolution was won because of a small group of dedicated men, who strongly believed in the principal of no taxation without representation. They also strongly believed in freedom.
Fast forward 330 years later, we can see the same history playing itself out in Morocco. History will not be kind to those who make excuses for the unethical way that the Moroccan government is behaving. History will make note that it was the young, those who had absolutely nothing to lose, it was they who led the revolutions against neo colonialism throughout north Africa.
The game has changed. Demographics are on the side of the young. Demographics are on the side of Freedom. The Makhzen will lose, it is only a question of time and how much blood will be shed. I truly hope that cooler heads within the makhzen prevail and that they will see the error of their ways and allow real freedom to take root in Morocco and North Africa by extension.... but you have to remember, these are the same clowns that had magazines destroyed because they had an opinion poll on how good of a job people felt the king was doing.
The Makhzen does not live in the real world. They live in a world, like much of the ruling class that is devoid of religion, devoid of integrity and lacking in any semblence of integrity or honor.
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COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-03 09:26
chtaini said
I drove to Los Angeles from San Francisco to vote. In the elevator to the third floor where the voting rooms where located. I struck up a conversation with a gentleman who was in his 60s and who looked Moroccan. I asked where he was from and he responded Casablanca. He turned to be from the same housing block I lived in where I was young. We were 4 doors a part. When I mentioned my name he hugged me and said with is eyes watering. My father was the man who picked and carried your mother when she was shot
in 1953 by the French Colonial forces during the riots. I never forgot that scene because I went to Hospital Sowfi with my mother. I said to him you are the son of Ba Omar. He said yes. I found out that he was a leader of a political party in Morocco, a former member of the Moroccan Parliament and he is now a producer and he lives in Hollywood. I was so happy about this encounter but happier for the circumstances which brought me to Los Angeles to vote “Yes” for the Referendum. My new found friend also voted “Yes” of course.
I was also pleased to hear on NPR Radio half hour after my vote that the overmhelming majority of the Moroccan people representing 98% voted “Yes” for the referendum in Morocco. To the “detractors” 98% of the “Yes “ voters are all paid propagandists, greema Seekers and Makhzanian, are we not? Makhzanian? Yes, since the Alouite Sultan Moulay Mohammed Ben Abdallah under whose order my ancestors Kaid El AAbadi, father of Tahra, my great grand mother and Kaid Jdidi, father of Moussa, my great grand father, fought against the Portuguese in the Doukkala to force them to abandon Mazagan known today as El Jadida. I am proud of my heritage and will always be proud of it. Remember it was the same Alaouite Sultan, Moulay Mohammed Ben Abdallah who recognized the United States as a “Free, Independent” country. You can call me Makhzanian and I am proud of it.
Now that the election is over, you should get hold of yourselves and stop insulting, defaming, making false allegations and character assassinations. Do not be sore losers. You are not going to tell me that 98% of those who voted “Yes” are wrong and you, representing 50 negative commentators, are right. Wake and open your eyes.
We have a lot of work to do in this beloved USA. There are 5000 Moroccans and their children who come every year as “Lottery Immigrants” and are left on their own trying to integrate the American way of life. We should be about using programs at the local, state and federal levels to facilitate the new members of the Moroccan community in the USA to succeed. The least we can do for them is to help them go through a 6 month intensive TOEFL program available at all the community colleges and universities and showing them how to use the government funds available which allow them to cover the cost of enrollment in these programs. Can I have some good will takers on this idea? My experience with many of these Moroccan legal immigrants is that because of the lack of knowledge of the English language they are non-functional and most of the time unemployed or underemployed while their family and children pay the price. There is so much talk about how there is concern for the well being of the Moroccan people, yet, here are Moroccans in here with us in America for whom we can do a lot or I am to continue reading in their face the expression of “what have you done for me lately?”.
I am willing to help structure with the help of constructive Moroccans who are interested in assisting the new comers to our Moroccan-Americ an Community to grow healthy and strong. The first step is to establish an intensive TOFL program that is structured for them and which would allow them to reach a proficiency in English which will allow them to function in the USA.
I do not have to agree with you politically to contribute to the well being of the Moroccan community in the USA. Let me hear from you soon? If you are going to be negative to kill this proposition, kindly abstain from responding?
I drove to Los Angeles from San Francisco to vote. In the elevator to the third floor where the voting rooms where located. I struck up a conversation with a gentleman who was in his 60s and who looked Moroccan. I asked where he was from and he responded Casablanca. He turned to be from the same housing block I lived in where I was young. We were 4 doors a part. When I mentioned my name he hugged me and said with is eyes watering. My father was the man who picked and carried your mother when she was shot
in 1953 by the French Colonial forces during the riots. I never forgot that scene because I went to Hospital Sowfi with my mother. I said to him you are the son of Ba Omar. He said yes. I found out that he was a leader of a political party in Morocco, a former member of the Moroccan Parliament and he is now a producer and he lives in Hollywood. I was so happy about this encounter but happier for the circumstances which brought me to Los Angeles to vote “Yes” for the Referendum. My new found friend also voted “Yes” of course.
I was also pleased to hear on NPR Radio half hour after my vote that the overmhelming majority of the Moroccan people representing 98% voted “Yes” for the referendum in Morocco. To the “detractors” 98% of the “Yes “ voters are all paid propagandists, greema Seekers and Makhzanian, are we not? Makhzanian? Yes, since the Alouite Sultan Moulay Mohammed Ben Abdallah under whose order my ancestors Kaid El AAbadi, father of Tahra, my great grand mother and Kaid Jdidi, father of Moussa, my great grand father, fought against the Portuguese in the Doukkala to force them to abandon Mazagan known today as El Jadida. I am proud of my heritage and will always be proud of it. Remember it was the same Alaouite Sultan, Moulay Mohammed Ben Abdallah who recognized the United States as a “Free, Independent” country. You can call me Makhzanian and I am proud of it.
Now that the election is over, you should get hold of yourselves and stop insulting, defaming, making false allegations and character assassinations. Do not be sore losers. You are not going to tell me that 98% of those who voted “Yes” are wrong and you, representing 50 negative commentators, are right. Wake and open your eyes.
We have a lot of work to do in this beloved USA. There are 5000 Moroccans and their children who come every year as “Lottery Immigrants” and are left on their own trying to integrate the American way of life. We should be about using programs at the local, state and federal levels to facilitate the new members of the Moroccan community in the USA to succeed. The least we can do for them is to help them go through a 6 month intensive TOEFL program available at all the community colleges and universities and showing them how to use the government funds available which allow them to cover the cost of enrollment in these programs. Can I have some good will takers on this idea? My experience with many of these Moroccan legal immigrants is that because of the lack of knowledge of the English language they are non-functional and most of the time unemployed or underemployed while their family and children pay the price. There is so much talk about how there is concern for the well being of the Moroccan people, yet, here are Moroccans in here with us in America for whom we can do a lot or I am to continue reading in their face the expression of “what have you done for me lately?”.
I am willing to help structure with the help of constructive Moroccans who are interested in assisting the new comers to our Moroccan-Americ an Community to grow healthy and strong. The first step is to establish an intensive TOFL program that is structured for them and which would allow them to reach a proficiency in English which will allow them to function in the USA.
I do not have to agree with you politically to contribute to the well being of the Moroccan community in the USA. Let me hear from you soon? If you are going to be negative to kill this proposition, kindly abstain from responding?
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COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-03 10:37
waaaaaaa chtaini, whatever your grand grand parents did, that lead us to this situation, a change for better life, so they did it at one time and they ousted the french and so,to have a better life on their own, which is fine, now it is our turn to do the same against al makhzan for our better life and the future of morocco...
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#16
We Accept, and we move on! —
2011-07-03 11:27
What is the damn alternative Mr Mocelli? Please someone tell me! According to the new CONstitution, we have an independent judiciary system. Can we sue to chip away some of the King's powers?
We HAVE to live with the new CONstitution. Deeply-flawed as it is, laughingly-lops ided as it was crafted, because at the end of the day, what did we really expect from the Inviolable One? Magically reduce the illiteracy rate from 53% to 5.3%? He can't do that. Even if he really, really wanted to , why would he? An educated population is every dictator's Achilles heel!
And no. I am not calling M6 a dictator. (got family back home)
It is still the will of the people. And as far as I am concerned, the people are the TRUE INVIOLABLE ONES! But, imagination and creativity are in very short supply in Morocco. Screw those idiotic demonstrations! Demonstrations? Give me a freaking break! That's so Middle-East for the love of God! We are MOROCCANS! Say what you want, the regime proved its legitimacy through the ballot box! Much to my for chagrin I must admit! Fraud, intimidation …bla…bla…bla. Who cares? I know for a fact, repeat, a FACT, that the majority of Moroccans, a sizeable segment at that, are willing to overlook and live with, all the abuses emanating from the palace as long as M6 is the face of Morocco!
Not everyone in Morocco is an illiterate, Makhzen-program med or a paid agitator.
That is why, if I ever get a lucrative consulting contract with the Feb 20th Movement, (do they have any money?) I'd start by renaming it. Rebranding it if you will. (I can't say rechristening due to the on-going negotiations with the Fassis repartition thing….) But I will tell them that weekly demonstrations are not gaining you any fans. Time to prove your love for Morocco by holding every elected official's feet to the fire! Use the new CONstitution as a tool to dissect the system in REVERSE!
Did I answer your questions Mr Mocelli?
We HAVE to live with the new CONstitution. Deeply-flawed as it is, laughingly-lops ided as it was crafted, because at the end of the day, what did we really expect from the Inviolable One? Magically reduce the illiteracy rate from 53% to 5.3%? He can't do that. Even if he really, really wanted to , why would he? An educated population is every dictator's Achilles heel!
And no. I am not calling M6 a dictator. (got family back home)
It is still the will of the people. And as far as I am concerned, the people are the TRUE INVIOLABLE ONES! But, imagination and creativity are in very short supply in Morocco. Screw those idiotic demonstrations! Demonstrations? Give me a freaking break! That's so Middle-East for the love of God! We are MOROCCANS! Say what you want, the regime proved its legitimacy through the ballot box! Much to my for chagrin I must admit! Fraud, intimidation …bla…bla…bla. Who cares? I know for a fact, repeat, a FACT, that the majority of Moroccans, a sizeable segment at that, are willing to overlook and live with, all the abuses emanating from the palace as long as M6 is the face of Morocco!
Not everyone in Morocco is an illiterate, Makhzen-program med or a paid agitator.
That is why, if I ever get a lucrative consulting contract with the Feb 20th Movement, (do they have any money?) I'd start by renaming it. Rebranding it if you will. (I can't say rechristening due to the on-going negotiations with the Fassis repartition thing….) But I will tell them that weekly demonstrations are not gaining you any fans. Time to prove your love for Morocco by holding every elected official's feet to the fire! Use the new CONstitution as a tool to dissect the system in REVERSE!
Did I answer your questions Mr Mocelli?
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#17
98,49% deam for any politician !!! —
2011-07-03 17:00
The king is happy, our Chtaini is happy, the king entourage is happy. What a great score. Any politician will be happy of this great support from the masses in order to implement his political program.
However, any analytical mind will start asking questions:
- Do all Moroccans think the same way ? to vote yes
- or Moroccans do not see the need to think and let the king think for them ?
- Democracy needs normally the confrontation between different point of views and concepts.98,49 % does not reflect other alternative. is this healthy ?
- Why the interior minister did not allow any question in his press conference ?
Knowing that the results for the yes will be around 99 %, I decided not to waste my time.
However, any analytical mind will start asking questions:
- Do all Moroccans think the same way ? to vote yes
- or Moroccans do not see the need to think and let the king think for them ?
- Democracy needs normally the confrontation between different point of views and concepts.98,49 % does not reflect other alternative. is this healthy ?
- Why the interior minister did not allow any question in his press conference ?
Knowing that the results for the yes will be around 99 %, I decided not to waste my time.
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#18
COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-03 20:33
Patriot...you want a revolution led by radical Islamists -Al Adl- and wannabe bolchevists-PSU /Annahj- ????
Guess who showed up for the post referendum protests yesterday??
Come on Moroccan American Patriot, are you really in touch with reality and believe that a gang of radicales can overpower the will of 98% of the people and impose their Taliban/Bolchev ists dreams...wake and drink some mint tea..it won't happen.
Here is what you can do to further Morocco's march towards democracy, keep the pressure on to implement the current constitution, demand the amendements of few articles that in my opinion must be changed such as the king chairing the gov meetings and appointing governors and ambassadors, let's keep away the king from chairing the judiciary council or naming 50% of it's members....thes e are legitimate demands that I will back you up to make them happen, we will need to demand the drafting of a code of conduct law for political parties and bring them up to a democratic level with term limits, transparency and financial contributions limits...we have so much to do and a long way to be a democratic nation, but a revolution is absolutely the wrong approach.
Guess who showed up for the post referendum protests yesterday??
Come on Moroccan American Patriot, are you really in touch with reality and believe that a gang of radicales can overpower the will of 98% of the people and impose their Taliban/Bolchev ists dreams...wake and drink some mint tea..it won't happen.
Here is what you can do to further Morocco's march towards democracy, keep the pressure on to implement the current constitution, demand the amendements of few articles that in my opinion must be changed such as the king chairing the gov meetings and appointing governors and ambassadors, let's keep away the king from chairing the judiciary council or naming 50% of it's members....thes e are legitimate demands that I will back you up to make them happen, we will need to demand the drafting of a code of conduct law for political parties and bring them up to a democratic level with term limits, transparency and financial contributions limits...we have so much to do and a long way to be a democratic nation, but a revolution is absolutely the wrong approach.
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#19
COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-04 01:11
Man en blanc,
You are a genius, I really like the idea "holding every elected official's feet to the fire! Use the new CONstitution as a tool to dissect the system in REVERSE! "
The F20 could form some sort group to police "elected" officials and the government appointees. A radical friend of mine before he got a real job, used to go Capitol Hill and wait for congress folks and embarrass the hell out of them. Citizens For Legitimate Government, a Web Site produced by Citizens For Legitimate Government, a public interest or advocacy organization that will not let any government official even think about using public funds for their own agendas.
Those of of us here who are on the same wavelength should start brainstorming how we can council the F20 movement for free. If we just put our head together, I am sure they will appreciate our Pro Bono services.
Let start by renaming the group
Moroccans for a legitimate parliament and government.
Morocains pour un parlement et gouvernement légitimes
I am calling on all who think that we can make Morocco better no matter how they look at things, please submit your idea here in Morocco Board. Eventually Mr. Saout will hopefully give us a piece of his web server where we can brainstorm how we can make Morocco better by counseling those who are in Morocco.
You are a genius, I really like the idea "holding every elected official's feet to the fire! Use the new CONstitution as a tool to dissect the system in REVERSE! "
The F20 could form some sort group to police "elected" officials and the government appointees. A radical friend of mine before he got a real job, used to go Capitol Hill and wait for congress folks and embarrass the hell out of them. Citizens For Legitimate Government, a Web Site produced by Citizens For Legitimate Government, a public interest or advocacy organization that will not let any government official even think about using public funds for their own agendas.
Those of of us here who are on the same wavelength should start brainstorming how we can council the F20 movement for free. If we just put our head together, I am sure they will appreciate our Pro Bono services.
Let start by renaming the group
Moroccans for a legitimate parliament and government.
Morocains pour un parlement et gouvernement légitimes
I am calling on all who think that we can make Morocco better no matter how they look at things, please submit your idea here in Morocco Board. Eventually Mr. Saout will hopefully give us a piece of his web server where we can brainstorm how we can make Morocco better by counseling those who are in Morocco.
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#20
COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-04 01:15
Chtaini said
What my grand parents did as Makhzen was done under the leadership of Sultan Mohammed Ben Abdallah and when they forced the Portuguese to abandon Mazagan, known today as El Jadida. We all know what King Mohammed V, the Makhzen and the Moroccan people did to regain independence from the French. His Majesty King Mohammed VI, the Makhzen and the Moroccan people are in sync as to how to get Morocco through a very difficult era into a promising future. Nor you or anyone who thinks like you is going to be capable to do that. The Moroccan people have shown through their massive vote of a “Yes” that they are behind their King. I can see that you cannot believe your eyes nor can all those who are blind to the reality that Morocco is on the move on the democratic track. Join in now and contribute constructively, if not you are going to be left behind with all the other like you who are too misguided to join in with us.
Naturally, all the arguments imaginable are going to come pouring about the crushing result represented by the “YES” vote. It was predictable not because of the reasons you and the other like you hold on to because you all cannot digest the People’s victory in support of their King, but because the reasons that show that you all omit and do not understand: the pact between the Moroccan People and their King. The pact between the Moroccan people and their King has always produced an unquestionable consensual support of their King’s propositions. There is not a single election which did not produce between 90 to 98.5 % in support of the King’s requests of the people which have been put into a referendum. Any arguments you and the other like you can come up with have no foundation.
Naturally once again, because you live in a democratic Kingdom, you can write video-tape, protest, scream, manifest, criticize and propagandize as long as you want and as long as you do it while respecting the right of the majority which disagrees with you all. This is what is asked of you. In a democratic process, the losers who experience such crushing defeats at the voting polls have always cried wolf and have always attacked the winners of cheating and manipulating and rigging the votes. This is the standard reaction of the losers anywhere in any democratic process where a scenario similar to the unforgettable July first 2011 showing such historical fair and square defeat of people like you takes place.
Please, do not feel bad about losing and do not be a sore loser to the point where you may take the wrong track and attempt to impose the tyranny of the losing minority, this attitude is undemocratic, You are entitled to express yourselves as you please but do not create disorder by the designed purpose of harming the Moroccan economy. This attitude will be intolerable. You must do as losers who are democratic and who respect themselves do in a democratic process: retreat and begin to think why you really got crushed in spite of what you used as tactic so far. Evaluate with your group why you lost and do not mislead yourself and others by accentuating reasons for losing which you cannot prove such as rigging, manipulation and all the language of defeat adhering to this method of thinking stifles your constructive contributions. You all claim to have the right way for Morocco’s future! The Moroccan people by their “YES” vote have said “NO” to your way. I suggest that you pick the best issues of your way and participate through the democratic process in Morocco. The Moroccan People and their King would welcome constructive input which contributes to Morocco’s development. Please do not stick to the slogan we heard since the debate began on the referendum and which is still roaming around even after the crushing defeat “my way or the highway”. Guess what? If you cannot accept the will of the Moroccan people as expressed in the referendum election of July first 2001, your way will take you to the highway with your misguided group while the rest of us, the Moroccan people, His Majesty King Mohammed VI and the Makhzen to maintain law and order will be on the democratic train on their way to the stations of justice, equality and prosperity for the Moroccan People and the Kingdom of Morocco. If some of you for political self interest maximization want join us on the ride since this all about politics, we will welcome you as long as you do not behave as trouble makers.
What my grand parents did as Makhzen was done under the leadership of Sultan Mohammed Ben Abdallah and when they forced the Portuguese to abandon Mazagan, known today as El Jadida. We all know what King Mohammed V, the Makhzen and the Moroccan people did to regain independence from the French. His Majesty King Mohammed VI, the Makhzen and the Moroccan people are in sync as to how to get Morocco through a very difficult era into a promising future. Nor you or anyone who thinks like you is going to be capable to do that. The Moroccan people have shown through their massive vote of a “Yes” that they are behind their King. I can see that you cannot believe your eyes nor can all those who are blind to the reality that Morocco is on the move on the democratic track. Join in now and contribute constructively, if not you are going to be left behind with all the other like you who are too misguided to join in with us.
Naturally, all the arguments imaginable are going to come pouring about the crushing result represented by the “YES” vote. It was predictable not because of the reasons you and the other like you hold on to because you all cannot digest the People’s victory in support of their King, but because the reasons that show that you all omit and do not understand: the pact between the Moroccan People and their King. The pact between the Moroccan people and their King has always produced an unquestionable consensual support of their King’s propositions. There is not a single election which did not produce between 90 to 98.5 % in support of the King’s requests of the people which have been put into a referendum. Any arguments you and the other like you can come up with have no foundation.
Naturally once again, because you live in a democratic Kingdom, you can write video-tape, protest, scream, manifest, criticize and propagandize as long as you want and as long as you do it while respecting the right of the majority which disagrees with you all. This is what is asked of you. In a democratic process, the losers who experience such crushing defeats at the voting polls have always cried wolf and have always attacked the winners of cheating and manipulating and rigging the votes. This is the standard reaction of the losers anywhere in any democratic process where a scenario similar to the unforgettable July first 2011 showing such historical fair and square defeat of people like you takes place.
Please, do not feel bad about losing and do not be a sore loser to the point where you may take the wrong track and attempt to impose the tyranny of the losing minority, this attitude is undemocratic, You are entitled to express yourselves as you please but do not create disorder by the designed purpose of harming the Moroccan economy. This attitude will be intolerable. You must do as losers who are democratic and who respect themselves do in a democratic process: retreat and begin to think why you really got crushed in spite of what you used as tactic so far. Evaluate with your group why you lost and do not mislead yourself and others by accentuating reasons for losing which you cannot prove such as rigging, manipulation and all the language of defeat adhering to this method of thinking stifles your constructive contributions. You all claim to have the right way for Morocco’s future! The Moroccan people by their “YES” vote have said “NO” to your way. I suggest that you pick the best issues of your way and participate through the democratic process in Morocco. The Moroccan People and their King would welcome constructive input which contributes to Morocco’s development. Please do not stick to the slogan we heard since the debate began on the referendum and which is still roaming around even after the crushing defeat “my way or the highway”. Guess what? If you cannot accept the will of the Moroccan people as expressed in the referendum election of July first 2001, your way will take you to the highway with your misguided group while the rest of us, the Moroccan people, His Majesty King Mohammed VI and the Makhzen to maintain law and order will be on the democratic train on their way to the stations of justice, equality and prosperity for the Moroccan People and the Kingdom of Morocco. If some of you for political self interest maximization want join us on the ride since this all about politics, we will welcome you as long as you do not behave as trouble makers.
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#21
Chtaini is doing his job while we are free to think. —
2011-07-04 02:27
"There is not a single election which did not produce between 90 to 98.5 % in support of the King’s requests of the people which have been put into a referendum".
I agree 100% and I do not think anybody will desagree with you. There is no change in the Moroccan political system.
That´s why Morocco is one the stronggest economy in the world, 0% illeteracy, 100% freedom od speech, health sytem excellent. All Moroccans live in Morocco. Moroccans have no desire to live outside Morocco. They can just swim to croos to Spain but no one is willing to go Europe. A country with more than 34 political parties. A parlement working in harmony with the Monarch. Morocco is the only country where all people have access to accomodation, health care....All this great and positv achievement is the result of the harmony between the people and the King.
I agree 100% and I do not think anybody will desagree with you. There is no change in the Moroccan political system.
That´s why Morocco is one the stronggest economy in the world, 0% illeteracy, 100% freedom od speech, health sytem excellent. All Moroccans live in Morocco. Moroccans have no desire to live outside Morocco. They can just swim to croos to Spain but no one is willing to go Europe. A country with more than 34 political parties. A parlement working in harmony with the Monarch. Morocco is the only country where all people have access to accomodation, health care....All this great and positv achievement is the result of the harmony between the people and the King.
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#22
"Moroccans for a legitimate parliament and government." —
2011-07-04 03:20
I like it Senor Morcelli. If we can model it after some U.S. watchdog agency where we can expose elected members and/or government officials when they abuse their authority. With a promise from the palace that the abusers will be investigated. Now, that's democracy!
We will need the government help here. Let's see if they're sincere or just blowing hot air.
But I wish for those idiotic demonstrations to stop. The protesters are losing creditability faster than a Manhattan hotel maid.
We will need the government help here. Let's see if they're sincere or just blowing hot air.
But I wish for those idiotic demonstrations to stop. The protesters are losing creditability faster than a Manhattan hotel maid.
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#23
Let's do some simple math —
2011-07-04 04:04
According to the Minister of the Interior, the participation rate was about 72.65%. This implies about 27% did not participate. Young people under 35 overwhelmingly boycotted the referendum, they represent only 30% of registered voters, according to the minister of interior.
Population of voting age: 21,500,0OO
Number of registered voters: 13 million people (Interior Minister)
At this stage: 8.5 million Moroccans did not participate.
Based on the 13 million registered voters list, the minister said 9.2 millions voters took part.
At this level, there are 3.8 million registered voters who did not participate in the vote. Therefore, about 12 million Moroccans did not vote.
"Note that the army, gendarmerie, police, navy, auxiliary forces ... participated in this vote, nearly 2.5 million people. These forces do not usually participate in elections." In other words, without these forces, the number of voters would have been about 6 million.
The 72% participation does not withstand analysis, for the formula is flawed.
9,200,000 / 21,500,000 = 42.8%
And if we deduct the MRE, the percentage would drop a few points.
So statistically, effective participation in this referendum is about 42%.
Population of voting age: 21,500,0OO
Number of registered voters: 13 million people (Interior Minister)
At this stage: 8.5 million Moroccans did not participate.
Based on the 13 million registered voters list, the minister said 9.2 millions voters took part.
At this level, there are 3.8 million registered voters who did not participate in the vote. Therefore, about 12 million Moroccans did not vote.
"Note that the army, gendarmerie, police, navy, auxiliary forces ... participated in this vote, nearly 2.5 million people. These forces do not usually participate in elections." In other words, without these forces, the number of voters would have been about 6 million.
The 72% participation does not withstand analysis, for the formula is flawed.
9,200,000 / 21,500,000 = 42.8%
And if we deduct the MRE, the percentage would drop a few points.
So statistically, effective participation in this referendum is about 42%.
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#24
VOTE COMMISSION —
2011-07-04 09:11
www.map.ma reports that 96.05% of Moroccan expatriates voted "Yes". I think VOTE COMMISSION be established to find the truth behind what is so magical about the figures 9x.xx% in this and previous referendum.
As I suspected M6 and his ilk have really mastered the art of hoodwinking the simple and easily-led Moroccan people. Look at it this way, cleverly M6 got himself elected as a ligitimate lord and master of all Moroccans. And for what, not more palaces, his got those more then his fingers, but for the Eurodollar and Sarkozy (source: www.map.ma) is already filling up Euros by "kansha" loads ready to deliver to Bank El M6. No doubt about it, the newly elected king is going to benefit immensely by the money that is going to pour in the country by just mentioning "I am democratically elected king" and the first in the history of any monarchy.
The 20 Feb movement have lost it and they should acknowledge that they were beaten not at the ballot box but by cleverly engineering their baby for the benefit of the palace by the palace. It is a sad fact, with too many parties in Morocco you will not have a democracy as every party leader wants to play "Chaises musicales" and guess who has his thumb on the cd player and more chairs to throw in? The many parties in Morocco did serve so well for his father, ditto for the new king.
As I suspected M6 and his ilk have really mastered the art of hoodwinking the simple and easily-led Moroccan people. Look at it this way, cleverly M6 got himself elected as a ligitimate lord and master of all Moroccans. And for what, not more palaces, his got those more then his fingers, but for the Eurodollar and Sarkozy (source: www.map.ma) is already filling up Euros by "kansha" loads ready to deliver to Bank El M6. No doubt about it, the newly elected king is going to benefit immensely by the money that is going to pour in the country by just mentioning "I am democratically elected king" and the first in the history of any monarchy.
The 20 Feb movement have lost it and they should acknowledge that they were beaten not at the ballot box but by cleverly engineering their baby for the benefit of the palace by the palace. It is a sad fact, with too many parties in Morocco you will not have a democracy as every party leader wants to play "Chaises musicales" and guess who has his thumb on the cd player and more chairs to throw in? The many parties in Morocco did serve so well for his father, ditto for the new king.
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#25
COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-04 09:35
The Great Frank Zappa once said: “The United States is a nation of laws – badly written and randomly enforced”… I hope this won’t be the case for our beloved Morocco… The overwhelming majority of Moroccans has voted YES for this “descent” referendum let’s just make sure the new laws are not just randomly enforced, but applicable to all… This is a good start!
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#26
The rule of Law - Lets do away with Apartheid —
2011-07-04 10:13
I do not for one second believe that the 98% Yes vote was legitimate, nor do I believe that more than 60% of Moroccans went to the ballot box and were able to read Yes or No and put it in the corresponding envelope. At this point, it does not really matter. What matters at this point is moving forward and making the best out of a bad situation.
Lets get rid of all of the Apartheid Laws in Morocco. To be clear, an Apartheid Law is one that is applied to different individuals in the same geographic area based upon a religious or ethnic basis. Israel is a perfect example of a country that still has Apartheid Laws. In Apartheid Israel, particularly in Palestine (occupied territories) - Jewish, "settlers" have more rights than the Palestinians they are occupying.
In Morocco, we also have apartheid. Unfortunately, in Morocco, it is the foreigners that have more rights than Muslim Moroccans. Let me explain:
In Morocco, the consumption or Sale (being the license owner) of Alcohol to or by Muslims is illegal. I know you see women wearing Hijab buying Alcohol at Marjane and La Belle Vie., but I assure you that it is illegal. On the other hand, Christians and Jews and Atheists as well as animists can buy all the Alcohol they want, legally. The stated reason for this apartheid law is that Morocco wants to encourage tourism and the reason stated for Alcohol being illegal for Muslims, is that Morocco is supposedly a muslim nation. Well, we should examine these very closely. When you allow foriegners to thumb their noses at your religion and customs in order to gain a few measely tourist dollars, you are basically giving everyone outside of your country a green light to have absolutely no respect for you. Could you imagine France allowing Saudi men to practise Polygamy in France to boost their tourism revenue? Could you imagine the United States keeping Hash illegal for all Americans, but allowing all Moroccans from the Rif area of Morocco or Afghani's to smoke as much as they wanted... in order to promote tourism? How can we expect anyone to respect us, if we do not respect ourselves? Along these same lines, What is the deal with making Alcohol illegal to begin with? Oh yeah... Morocco is supposedly a Muslim country, right? It is a muslim country where mosques are not kept open, and closed immediately after prayer times in order to supposedly prevent theft of carpets and korans - (if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you) - and prostitution is practiced in almost EVERY coffee shop in every city, small or large... in fact, most coffee shops have hidden second floors to allow for the unfettered practice! Gambling is also unislamic, yet you can purchase Lotto tickets and gamble at off track betting facilities in almost every major city... so remind me again how we are a muslim nation?
Now I may be coming off as some kind of religious fanatic here... but I assure you, my arguments have very little to do with religion. My concern is for respect for the rule of law, and fighting against hypocricy and getting ourselves to the point where transparency becomes the the norm.
If Alcohol were made legal for everyone over the age of 18 tomorrow, I would have no problem with that either... The point is, you have to be consistent, and you have to make sense... this whole idea of Alcohol, Prostitution and Gambling being ok, as long as you are not doing it in a way as to attract attention or create a, "fouda" is precisely the kind of thinking that needs to go the way of the dinasaur in Morocco.
Who do I blam for this? I blame the lawmakers. This idea of keeping everyone on the line and having a bergaga informant system is not an accident. It is not an oversight. It is by design. If the law is illogical, then nobody can really follow it, and if everyone is doing something that is a little illegal... from claiming close to SMIG as the owner of a company (to avoid paying high taxes) to regularly going down one way streets the wrong way... Morocco is ours to clean up...
For those of you still living in the US and Europe, I challenge you to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Do what I did... come to Morocco. Come and actually live in Morocco as I am, and try to affect positive change here. Deal with getting a document notarized or evicting a tenant who happens to be a police man and is demanding you pay him 80,000 dollars to move out of an apartment you were renting him and his family for less than 100 dollars a month, so that you will be able to sell it! How about having a loved one hurt by a doctor and trying to sue a doctor for malpractice? How about dealing with the insurance company that refuses to pay out on a claim?
The first step to really changing Morocco is to fix the laws in on the books, then we can get to the judges and judicial system in general... first lets just get rid of APartheid in Morocco, is that too much to ask? Or do we need another referendum?
Lets get rid of all of the Apartheid Laws in Morocco. To be clear, an Apartheid Law is one that is applied to different individuals in the same geographic area based upon a religious or ethnic basis. Israel is a perfect example of a country that still has Apartheid Laws. In Apartheid Israel, particularly in Palestine (occupied territories) - Jewish, "settlers" have more rights than the Palestinians they are occupying.
In Morocco, we also have apartheid. Unfortunately, in Morocco, it is the foreigners that have more rights than Muslim Moroccans. Let me explain:
In Morocco, the consumption or Sale (being the license owner) of Alcohol to or by Muslims is illegal. I know you see women wearing Hijab buying Alcohol at Marjane and La Belle Vie., but I assure you that it is illegal. On the other hand, Christians and Jews and Atheists as well as animists can buy all the Alcohol they want, legally. The stated reason for this apartheid law is that Morocco wants to encourage tourism and the reason stated for Alcohol being illegal for Muslims, is that Morocco is supposedly a muslim nation. Well, we should examine these very closely. When you allow foriegners to thumb their noses at your religion and customs in order to gain a few measely tourist dollars, you are basically giving everyone outside of your country a green light to have absolutely no respect for you. Could you imagine France allowing Saudi men to practise Polygamy in France to boost their tourism revenue? Could you imagine the United States keeping Hash illegal for all Americans, but allowing all Moroccans from the Rif area of Morocco or Afghani's to smoke as much as they wanted... in order to promote tourism? How can we expect anyone to respect us, if we do not respect ourselves? Along these same lines, What is the deal with making Alcohol illegal to begin with? Oh yeah... Morocco is supposedly a Muslim country, right? It is a muslim country where mosques are not kept open, and closed immediately after prayer times in order to supposedly prevent theft of carpets and korans - (if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you) - and prostitution is practiced in almost EVERY coffee shop in every city, small or large... in fact, most coffee shops have hidden second floors to allow for the unfettered practice! Gambling is also unislamic, yet you can purchase Lotto tickets and gamble at off track betting facilities in almost every major city... so remind me again how we are a muslim nation?
Now I may be coming off as some kind of religious fanatic here... but I assure you, my arguments have very little to do with religion. My concern is for respect for the rule of law, and fighting against hypocricy and getting ourselves to the point where transparency becomes the the norm.
If Alcohol were made legal for everyone over the age of 18 tomorrow, I would have no problem with that either... The point is, you have to be consistent, and you have to make sense... this whole idea of Alcohol, Prostitution and Gambling being ok, as long as you are not doing it in a way as to attract attention or create a, "fouda" is precisely the kind of thinking that needs to go the way of the dinasaur in Morocco.
Who do I blam for this? I blame the lawmakers. This idea of keeping everyone on the line and having a bergaga informant system is not an accident. It is not an oversight. It is by design. If the law is illogical, then nobody can really follow it, and if everyone is doing something that is a little illegal... from claiming close to SMIG as the owner of a company (to avoid paying high taxes) to regularly going down one way streets the wrong way... Morocco is ours to clean up...
For those of you still living in the US and Europe, I challenge you to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Do what I did... come to Morocco. Come and actually live in Morocco as I am, and try to affect positive change here. Deal with getting a document notarized or evicting a tenant who happens to be a police man and is demanding you pay him 80,000 dollars to move out of an apartment you were renting him and his family for less than 100 dollars a month, so that you will be able to sell it! How about having a loved one hurt by a doctor and trying to sue a doctor for malpractice? How about dealing with the insurance company that refuses to pay out on a claim?
The first step to really changing Morocco is to fix the laws in on the books, then we can get to the judges and judicial system in general... first lets just get rid of APartheid in Morocco, is that too much to ask? Or do we need another referendum?
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#27
COMMENT_TITLE_R E Refrendum? I am Going to The Beach —
2011-07-04 17:21
Life goes on. Moroccans are not interested in overthrowing the regime. They like to have their king as the Big Boss. He is there because we want him there and we will not allow any clown to touch him. Never.
The clowns should be happy he is there. He is the only one stopping us from overrunning them like cars do squirrels on a snake road in the Sierras.
In any case, I am enjoying my vacation in Nevada City in California. The weather is hot.
The lakes and the rivers are a joy. And of course, when back a the hotel, I chuckle every time I see a loser wine about the failed 20 Fevrier movement.
Tomorrow I am hitting the South Fork Yuba river. Another long day of steaming heat.
Long Live The King.
PS:
For those newcomers. I had the chance to visit the white house in 1983. Shook
hands with Ronald Reagan and Bush the father. Once in the oval office there was a couple
of photos. One of them was Hassan The Second and Reagan on horses. Boy was I proud
that day. Now some smart people may well deduce who I am. But I got nothing to hide.
And I am not a chiken. Did not wait for the 20 fifi to become a man.
The clowns should be happy he is there. He is the only one stopping us from overrunning them like cars do squirrels on a snake road in the Sierras.
In any case, I am enjoying my vacation in Nevada City in California. The weather is hot.
The lakes and the rivers are a joy. And of course, when back a the hotel, I chuckle every time I see a loser wine about the failed 20 Fevrier movement.
Tomorrow I am hitting the South Fork Yuba river. Another long day of steaming heat.
Long Live The King.
PS:
For those newcomers. I had the chance to visit the white house in 1983. Shook
hands with Ronald Reagan and Bush the father. Once in the oval office there was a couple
of photos. One of them was Hassan The Second and Reagan on horses. Boy was I proud
that day. Now some smart people may well deduce who I am. But I got nothing to hide.
And I am not a chiken. Did not wait for the 20 fifi to become a man.
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#28
Move ON —
2011-07-04 23:40
Having an understanding of the inter-workings of the socio-economic and political climate of Morocco, It was quite easy to foresee the results of the referendum since the king gave the first speech. What's positive however is that the average Moroccan has finally opened up his mind to consider discussing politics, a subject that was off limit for many decades and the mere mention of the word "politics" can raise suspicion and may even lead to undesirable consequences.
The people of Morocco have spoken very clearly about how they want to be governed. We can cry foul all day about the unfairness and the injustices that transpired during the recent elections. But the truth of the matter these protests are pointless, waste of time, and worse, self-destructiv e. And besides, it would be impossible to conjure up a legal challenge.
What the pro-democracy movement should do in my opinion is to transfer itself and be part of the political discussion within the framework of the current constitution. Perhaps play a role of the controller, keep politicians accountable, raise the alarm about questionable backroom deals, perhaps even help the government root out bribery from the Moroccan streets, etc.
On the other hand, I don't think the Moroccan government can go to sleep for another decade before tangible change is felt within the Moroccan society. I am not talking about building exotic resorts or having A list stars come to mawazine every year. Tangible change is in incomes, acceptable healthcare, good education, and jobs. The delivery of the last three is the ultimate test facing the regime.
Mr Chtaini,
Our political differences aside, after all we all want what’s best for Morocco and Moroccans. Your idea is wonderful and should the circumstances present themselves I would be glad to help.
The people of Morocco have spoken very clearly about how they want to be governed. We can cry foul all day about the unfairness and the injustices that transpired during the recent elections. But the truth of the matter these protests are pointless, waste of time, and worse, self-destructiv e. And besides, it would be impossible to conjure up a legal challenge.
What the pro-democracy movement should do in my opinion is to transfer itself and be part of the political discussion within the framework of the current constitution. Perhaps play a role of the controller, keep politicians accountable, raise the alarm about questionable backroom deals, perhaps even help the government root out bribery from the Moroccan streets, etc.
On the other hand, I don't think the Moroccan government can go to sleep for another decade before tangible change is felt within the Moroccan society. I am not talking about building exotic resorts or having A list stars come to mawazine every year. Tangible change is in incomes, acceptable healthcare, good education, and jobs. The delivery of the last three is the ultimate test facing the regime.
Mr Chtaini,
Our political differences aside, after all we all want what’s best for Morocco and Moroccans. Your idea is wonderful and should the circumstances present themselves I would be glad to help.
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#29
mini Yes —
2011-07-05 02:14
I voted yes with very mixed feelings, more out of concern to see the country return to the path of stability than out of full agreement with the timid constitutional reform. I am guessing that it is the case for most folks out there who voted yes. they look around the mayhem around them created by thugs hanging on to their privileges and decide voting No is too risky at this juncture.
One hopes that our thugs/white collar criminals/court esans/Ahlfass/m ajidi-himma &Co...will not interpret the people's decision as an acceptance of the status quo and will endeavor to self regulate themselves under the principal of "hshouma a shefar hlektou leblad" and give the country back to its people. I am afraid the worshipers of Nepos will not get the message and will try to continue their nefarious practices no matter the cost to the country and its people.
The people has given an exit to the king; he should fully capitalize on this opportunity and clean up his shop. All will be expecting to see the citizens of koruptland and other cleptocrats in jail soon. The massive yes vote is a window of opportunity given as a gift by the people to the bozos in charge. Instead of celebrating in their mentions and palaces they should get their behinds to their offices and start producing or at least contemplate very early retirement.
We should all thank the courageous generation that had the guts to peacefully stand up for its future unlike preceding generations who were satisfied to live like mice while cats were getting fatter.
We have entered a test period where actions will speak louder than words; no time for celebration or sadness. Time for scrutiny and responsibility. We're probably looking at 6 months to a year....
One hopes that our thugs/white collar criminals/court esans/Ahlfass/m ajidi-himma &Co...will not interpret the people's decision as an acceptance of the status quo and will endeavor to self regulate themselves under the principal of "hshouma a shefar hlektou leblad" and give the country back to its people. I am afraid the worshipers of Nepos will not get the message and will try to continue their nefarious practices no matter the cost to the country and its people.
The people has given an exit to the king; he should fully capitalize on this opportunity and clean up his shop. All will be expecting to see the citizens of koruptland and other cleptocrats in jail soon. The massive yes vote is a window of opportunity given as a gift by the people to the bozos in charge. Instead of celebrating in their mentions and palaces they should get their behinds to their offices and start producing or at least contemplate very early retirement.
We should all thank the courageous generation that had the guts to peacefully stand up for its future unlike preceding generations who were satisfied to live like mice while cats were getting fatter.
We have entered a test period where actions will speak louder than words; no time for celebration or sadness. Time for scrutiny and responsibility. We're probably looking at 6 months to a year....
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#30
For AES —
2011-08-11 11:09
Guys I don't know if you paid special attention to the posting of Mr. AES and if you did, I am interested to know why nobody replied to him. He is basically saying Moroccans who want change are "clowns" and if it wasn't for the king, AES and his buddies would crush "the clowns". He proceeds to say that some "smart people" know who he is. Well this posting is directly specifically at this low life, who I understand may be a regime guy. First of all why can't you be a man and divulge your identity to the "clowns" so they know who you are. I want people like you to know that Moroccans are not clowns you can just crush and continue on your merry way. Moroccans are getting smarter and bolder by the day and one day, they will crush you and your entire family and I guarantee you there will be a lot of blood then. It will be more like the Syrian situation, only the roles of victim and perpetrator will be reversed. Oh and enjoy your Nevada vacation, I wouldn't openly post where I am vacationing if I were you.
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