Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home
- M. CHTAINI
- 09/21/12
Seeking a Contract Program With Royal Air Maroc
The response to the call to organize a group in North America to prospect the initiation of communication with Royal Air Maroc on the issues of concern to the Moroccan Community.
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Washington / Morocco News Board---The discussions aired on the status of the Moroccan American community, with agreements & disagreements expressed in a civil manner, are encouraging. One main legal imperative which was not expressed is that once a Moroccan citizen, you will stay a Moroccan citizen for life.
You may have been naturalized to any other(s) citizenship but in the eyes of the Moroccan law you are still a Moroccan citizen and when you are in Morocco you are subject to Moroccan law even if you have a citizenship from any other country. The new green National Card (CIN) which is the size of an American express card is extremely important because you cannot go home without it. Naturally you can chose to have your CIN or not, but my honest advise is that it is better to have a CIN especially when you travel to Morocco than not to have it. Most of us if not all of us going to visit Morocco as our home of birth on a constant basis do it because we need a shot of Moroccan spirituality and stay connected with home.
Of course, talk is cheap and we have to go beyond the sentimental connection and good or bad personal experiences and look at what other immigrants to the USA have done for their country of origin. Let us look at the Italian-American community as a case study in the United States. The Italian-American community in the USA has opened the business opportunity for Italy in the USA whereas because of the Italian-American involvement, Italy’s export to the United States is greater than all the Italian export to the rest of the world.
Another case point is the City of Falls Church where I lived once. I was amazed to see the Police Department of Falls Church in Northern Virginia driving Volvo police cars. With little research I have found out that Falls Church's population was mainly Scandinavian of origin.
These are just few examples. There are many others some enjoying positive experience and some who experienced a horrific nightmarish condition such as the one imposed on the US-American Japanese community in America during the WAR. Overnight during the American Japanese War, the members of the American-Japanese community lost their US citizenships and the rights which come with it and were herded like animals to concentration camps with all their belongings confiscated and their citizenship denied. How dehumanizing?
Members of the African American Community as well as the Hispanic American Community are about to lose their right to vote as US citizens because of political reasons imposed by the leadership of the Republican Party. These types of behavior give the US citizenship a bad name and belittles its value and honor.
Back to the Moroccan-American community, can we agree on one thing which is to form a consumer group which will negotiate on behalf of the Moroccan Community in North America with Royal Air Maroc airline, not only in New York and Montreal but also in Casablanca to get our costs of air travel reduced ? This might be the beginning for other things to come.
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#1
Negotiation deal with RAM —
2012-09-21 16:37
I will be the first one to sign up for that list. Although the only way to get a lower price is to have a substantial number of members (thousand) who are willing to boycott royal air Maroc if the price remain high. You also need a formal association to work on this issue if you want to be taken seriously. keep in mind that RAM is in bad shape, so they don't have incentive to reduce price unless they truly believe they will lose more if the choose to keep their price high. Finally, i don't know if it is legal and ethical for RAM to do a deal price with a selective group based on ethnicity and nationality...a ny thought?
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#2
To Be Or Not To Be... —
2012-09-21 17:50
My C.I.N. had expired a couple of years ago. I couldn't make it to Morocco this summer but planning on it by May or june.
Since I live on the West Coast, there is no way I would spend a small fortune to fly to NYC and renew my card. And I usually bypass JFK to avoid the RAM, I will be going home without a valid CIN.
Would the douaniers give me a hard time? does anybody know?
Since I live on the West Coast, there is no way I would spend a small fortune to fly to NYC and renew my card. And I usually bypass JFK to avoid the RAM, I will be going home without a valid CIN.
Would the douaniers give me a hard time? does anybody know?
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#3
Attorney at Law —
2012-09-21 18:56
Dear Mr. Chtaini,
I would be happy to assist on a pro bono basis with establishing an association or some form of legal entity that would speak on behalf of Moroccans in negotiations with RAM or other corporations/entities.
I'm an attorney in Washington D.C., I studied law both in Morocco and in the U.S.
Please provide an email address where I can get in touch with you.
Regards,
Mellali, LL.B., LL.M., J.D.
I would be happy to assist on a pro bono basis with establishing an association or some form of legal entity that would speak on behalf of Moroccans in negotiations with RAM or other corporations/entities.
I'm an attorney in Washington D.C., I studied law both in Morocco and in the U.S.
Please provide an email address where I can get in touch with you.
Regards,
Mellali, LL.B., LL.M., J.D.
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#4
RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-09-21 20:19
Quoting man en blanc:
MEB,
What's up bro?!
When I get asked for CIN, I say I don't have one I lost it, which is true I lost it 3 decades ago :) I tried to renew but they were not competent enough to do a valid fingerprints. So far I did not have a problem, remember Bakshish open all doors in Morocco. Bon Voyage and don't forget your loyalty to the US when You go.
My C.I.N. had expired a couple of years ago. I couldn't make it to Morocco this summer but planning on it by May or june.
Since I live on the West Coast, there is no way I would spend a small fortune to fly to NYC and renew my card. And I usually bypass JFK to avoid the RAM, I will be going home without a valid CIN.
Would the douaniers give me a hard time? does anybody know?
MEB,
What's up bro?!
When I get asked for CIN, I say I don't have one I lost it, which is true I lost it 3 decades ago :) I tried to renew but they were not competent enough to do a valid fingerprints. So far I did not have a problem, remember Bakshish open all doors in Morocco. Bon Voyage and don't forget your loyalty to the US when You go.
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#5
RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-09-21 20:50
Quoting man en blanc:
no you will have no problem at all since the cin number never changes as long as you have the old cin or or just the number ,that its a good idea to write on ur us passport in case you lost ur cin
My C.I.N. had expired a couple of years ago. I couldn't make it to Morocco this summer but planning on it by May or june.
Since I live on the West Coast, there is no way I would spend a small fortune to fly to NYC and renew my card. And I usually bypass JFK to avoid the RAM, I will be going home without a valid CIN.
Would the douaniers give me a hard time? does anybody know?
no you will have no problem at all since the cin number never changes as long as you have the old cin or or just the number ,that its a good idea to write on ur us passport in case you lost ur cin
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#6
small correction —
2012-09-21 20:51
Excellent initiative, Mr. Chtaini. Count me in. One tiny correction. You state the following: "One main legal imperative which was not expressed is that once a Moroccan citizen, you will stay a Moroccan citizen for life."
That is incorrect. A moroccan can renounce his citizenship. The conditions are explained in article 19, DAHIR 1-58-250.
That is incorrect. A moroccan can renounce his citizenship. The conditions are explained in article 19, DAHIR 1-58-250.
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#7
Great idea —
2012-09-21 21:50
Hi dear friends,
Thank you all for your insights. Actually, I am not going to comment on the idea of citizenship because one of the colleagues already did. Indeed, the Moroccan citizenship can be renounced according to the Moroccan law. And another legal point is to wonder if the Moroccan American citizens didn't already half the road of doing so by swearing as US citizens. Anyway, this is another subject that I have to look into with some friends attorneys here in Pa, and probably will be the subject of another discussion. Overall, I am glad that our discussion has come up with an idea; and I do appreciate Mr. Mellali's initiative. I am former JD in Morocco and I am glad we can work together on something. However, I think one of the proprieties is to meet with the ambassador and try to resolve this issue for thousands of Moroccans who can't get access to their rights; in regard to RAM, it is a private business and we can deal with that easily. There different ways to put pressure on them to respond to our requests if we know how.
Here's my email address and phone number:
jdelasal01
villanova.edu
610 308 556
Please feel free to call me or email me anytime.
Thank you all, and I look forward to working together.
Sincerely,
Said Aati
Thank you all for your insights. Actually, I am not going to comment on the idea of citizenship because one of the colleagues already did. Indeed, the Moroccan citizenship can be renounced according to the Moroccan law. And another legal point is to wonder if the Moroccan American citizens didn't already half the road of doing so by swearing as US citizens. Anyway, this is another subject that I have to look into with some friends attorneys here in Pa, and probably will be the subject of another discussion. Overall, I am glad that our discussion has come up with an idea; and I do appreciate Mr. Mellali's initiative. I am former JD in Morocco and I am glad we can work together on something. However, I think one of the proprieties is to meet with the ambassador and try to resolve this issue for thousands of Moroccans who can't get access to their rights; in regard to RAM, it is a private business and we can deal with that easily. There different ways to put pressure on them to respond to our requests if we know how.
Here's my email address and phone number:
jdelasal01
villanova.edu610 308 556
Please feel free to call me or email me anytime.
Thank you all, and I look forward to working together.
Sincerely,
Said Aati
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#8
Answer —
2012-09-21 22:02
this an answer to Man en blanc.
If you are American citizen, they don't have the right to ask you about anything. If someone tells something about the Moroccan ID, tell him that you are American citizen and you can enter Morocco without visa for 3 months. However, in any case, the fact that your ID is expired is not crime or felony,the cops at the airport, which the majority of them have no idea about the law in Morocco, just try to show off by their ignorance. I went many times to Morocco with an expired ID, and I never had any problem but once, where one of them asked me why I changed my name? and I asked him to call the US consulate in Casablanca to ask them, and started to smile and said that he was joking with me. I told him that this was not funny and he should look for another jock that makes a sense.
Good luck to you. If You have other questions, please call me on my phone.
If you are American citizen, they don't have the right to ask you about anything. If someone tells something about the Moroccan ID, tell him that you are American citizen and you can enter Morocco without visa for 3 months. However, in any case, the fact that your ID is expired is not crime or felony,the cops at the airport, which the majority of them have no idea about the law in Morocco, just try to show off by their ignorance. I went many times to Morocco with an expired ID, and I never had any problem but once, where one of them asked me why I changed my name? and I asked him to call the US consulate in Casablanca to ask them, and started to smile and said that he was joking with me. I told him that this was not funny and he should look for another jock that makes a sense.
Good luck to you. If You have other questions, please call me on my phone.
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#9
Attorney at Law —
2012-09-21 22:27
@ #4. Yes, although that Dahir exists and was promulgated in the 60s. In practice, getting the permission from the prime minister to renounce the citizenship (which is one of the requirements) is impossible in practice, without mentioning the draconian procedure that one has to follow.
Since the passage of this law, not one single Moroccan who tried to renounce his/her citizenship was able to.
Mellali, Attorney at Law
Since the passage of this law, not one single Moroccan who tried to renounce his/her citizenship was able to.
Mellali, Attorney at Law
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#10
A typo —
2012-09-22 01:26
I do agree with you Mr.Mellali.Ther e has not been so far any case where the renunciation to the Moroccan citizenship was given, although there were cases where Moroccans requested it, but they were refused to have it.
Also,please forgive my typo in my email address:Nationa lité marocaine
It's actually:
jdelas01villanova.edu
Thank you.
Also,please forgive my typo in my email address:Nationa lité marocaine
It's actually:
jdelas01
villanova.eduThank you.
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#11
Renouncing the Moroccan Citizenship has been approved —
2012-09-22 02:00
Mr. Mellali, with all due respect, I beg to differ. Quite a few Moroccan-Americ ans who hold positions of responsibility requiring security clearances within the U.S. government have successfully renounced the Moroccan citizenship to mitigate conflict of interest and clearly establish that their loyalty resides with the United States of America. They are not any less Moroccans by culture, but they are no longer Moroccan citizens. Needless to say, the Moroccan government does not advertise these cases.
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#12
Have not & Want not —
2012-09-22 09:35
The problem lies within the Moroccan mentality itself , example , someone from the north will look for his own kind and the same goes for the western , eastern and southern folks, it is an impossible task my friends to unit all these Moroccans under one leadership . The Irish /Italian American have been in American over 100 years so do not expect the tiny Moroccan community which only been there max 30 years to be in the same level . May be in 50 years time the next generation will do the business. Regards from Tetouan
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#13
Mr. Mellali is right or Mr Chtaini's ricochet ? —
2012-09-22 10:33
ANYBODY EVER WONDERED WHY YOU ARE FORCED TO HAVE A CIN? EVER WONDER WHY MOROCCO WONT DROP ITS " CITIZENSHIP" FOR THOSE WHO ASK FOR IT? WELL NOW WAIT A SEC, YOU SAID "CITIZENSHIP"?
BE ADVISED IN CASE YOU FORGOT, THAT A MOROCCAN CITIZENSHIP DOES NOT EXIST. ALL MOROCCANS ARE CONSIDERED "SUBJECTS" OF HIS MAJESTY. HE "GIVES" YOU YOUR STATUS AND ONLY HIM CAN TAKE IT AWAY. MOROCCO GOES AS FAR AS RESISTING EVEN OFFICIAL REQUESTS BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS TO DROP ITS " SUBJECTSHIP" FOR THEIR DUAL CITIZENS.
THIS WHOLE SCAM WAS DEVISED BY THE MONARCHY AND ITS CROOKS FOR A LONG TIME SIMPLY AS A LONG ARM TO PROTECT THE KING FROM HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS, SO THEY CAN PROSECUTE AND PERSECUTE YOU IN AND OUT OF MOROCCO UNDER THE PRETEXT YOU WERE MARRIED TO THE KING FIRST. IT IS ALSO A WAY OF KEEPING THAT EXTERNAL VISION THAT THE MONARCH AND HIS MONARCHY ARE ABOVE YOU. I DOUBT MR CHTAINI, AS A JOURNALIST CAN CITE JUST ONE TIME WHERE A KING OF MOROCCO GAVE AN INTERVIEW TO A MOROCCAN JOURNALIST!!!
I THINK INSTEAD OF RANTING A LIST AGAINST RAM, WHICH WILL FALL IN DEAF EARS, I WOULS SUGGEST A PETITION TO PLEAD TO US AUTHORITIES NOT TO SHOW MOROCCO AS BIRTH PLACE ON THE US PASSPORT SO YOU WONT BE HARRASSED ONCE YOU GO THERE.
SO REMEMBER YA ALL, YOU're NO CITIZENS OF MOROCCO, YOU' RE THE LORD OF THE RING' S SUBJECTS. HE CAN DIVORCE YOU, YOU CANT DIVORCE HIM...
BE ADVISED IN CASE YOU FORGOT, THAT A MOROCCAN CITIZENSHIP DOES NOT EXIST. ALL MOROCCANS ARE CONSIDERED "SUBJECTS" OF HIS MAJESTY. HE "GIVES" YOU YOUR STATUS AND ONLY HIM CAN TAKE IT AWAY. MOROCCO GOES AS FAR AS RESISTING EVEN OFFICIAL REQUESTS BY FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS TO DROP ITS " SUBJECTSHIP" FOR THEIR DUAL CITIZENS.
THIS WHOLE SCAM WAS DEVISED BY THE MONARCHY AND ITS CROOKS FOR A LONG TIME SIMPLY AS A LONG ARM TO PROTECT THE KING FROM HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS, SO THEY CAN PROSECUTE AND PERSECUTE YOU IN AND OUT OF MOROCCO UNDER THE PRETEXT YOU WERE MARRIED TO THE KING FIRST. IT IS ALSO A WAY OF KEEPING THAT EXTERNAL VISION THAT THE MONARCH AND HIS MONARCHY ARE ABOVE YOU. I DOUBT MR CHTAINI, AS A JOURNALIST CAN CITE JUST ONE TIME WHERE A KING OF MOROCCO GAVE AN INTERVIEW TO A MOROCCAN JOURNALIST!!!
I THINK INSTEAD OF RANTING A LIST AGAINST RAM, WHICH WILL FALL IN DEAF EARS, I WOULS SUGGEST A PETITION TO PLEAD TO US AUTHORITIES NOT TO SHOW MOROCCO AS BIRTH PLACE ON THE US PASSPORT SO YOU WONT BE HARRASSED ONCE YOU GO THERE.
SO REMEMBER YA ALL, YOU're NO CITIZENS OF MOROCCO, YOU' RE THE LORD OF THE RING' S SUBJECTS. HE CAN DIVORCE YOU, YOU CANT DIVORCE HIM...
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#14
RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-09-22 12:54
Morocco is like Hotel California – You can checkout anytime you want, but you can never leave!!!!
While I have spent most of my adult life in this Great Country of ours, the Beautiful United States of America, it remains nothing more than a “host” country. I country I am so grateful to, for it afforded me so many opportunities I wouldn’t necessarily have had in our beloved homeland. I have pledged allegiance to its flag and everything it stands for. I love the USA and will always call it “home”!
Many of us have achieved commendable heights in our host countries – but in my eyes, they all pale in comparison to our childhood memories, which will never fade away!!! Having a bowl of Seikook or Babooch from a street vendor is a must each time I’m there. Visiting Houbous or M’dina Kdima and negotiation with those merchants is also another must-do event, listening to friends and family members’ stories is always exciting – watching people spit on the street however, I can do without!!!!
Just came back from Morocco a couple of weeks ago – and I couldn’t be more proud of all the progress I have witnessed. Granted there is still a LOT that needs to be done, I was nonetheless satisfied with the way things are and where the country is headed.
Now, if they could only do away with the outdated “round point” and the countless speed-bumps; then my cross-country driving experience would have been a lot more pleasant :-)))
While I have spent most of my adult life in this Great Country of ours, the Beautiful United States of America, it remains nothing more than a “host” country. I country I am so grateful to, for it afforded me so many opportunities I wouldn’t necessarily have had in our beloved homeland. I have pledged allegiance to its flag and everything it stands for. I love the USA and will always call it “home”!
Many of us have achieved commendable heights in our host countries – but in my eyes, they all pale in comparison to our childhood memories, which will never fade away!!! Having a bowl of Seikook or Babooch from a street vendor is a must each time I’m there. Visiting Houbous or M’dina Kdima and negotiation with those merchants is also another must-do event, listening to friends and family members’ stories is always exciting – watching people spit on the street however, I can do without!!!!
Just came back from Morocco a couple of weeks ago – and I couldn’t be more proud of all the progress I have witnessed. Granted there is still a LOT that needs to be done, I was nonetheless satisfied with the way things are and where the country is headed.
Now, if they could only do away with the outdated “round point” and the countless speed-bumps; then my cross-country driving experience would have been a lot more pleasant :-)))
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#15
CIN? —
2012-09-22 14:03
I went to Morocco last Summer, i destryed my Moroccan Id long time ago, No need for it orfor a Moroccan Passpor either for that matter......... .at the Casablanca Airport, one of the Officer asked me about it, and I said, I do not need it and I do not have it and will NOT get it............. .He took me to his office and started talking to me nicely......... It is good to have just in case you want to open a Business in here, and al the sweet talks.......... But I was direct with him.......I told him that I won't open a business in here, nd I come to Morocco to spend money, and if you guys keep doing that to oroccans they might turn their backs and go some place else to spend their money.......... ......Finally, I asked him to give me my Passport back or I will call the American Embassy in Casablanca, so he did............ .....And am thinking about renouncing my Moroccan citizenship as well
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#16
married —
2012-09-23 18:08
I truly commend Mr .Chtaini for writing this interesting article.I have to share something with you .I am a Moroccan born female and my husband is American .After we married I kept both my maiden name and my husbands name .The thing is that my CIN has only my maiden name on it .Now what do i do when I travel to Morocco ?Is it going to be like they are going to ask me why my maiden name is still on my old CIN while my American passport has both my maiden and husbands name .This thing got me confused and I frankly don't feel like going through the motions if they start asking me questions .I mean ,who has the time to go all the way to NYC since both of us are eternally buzy .Thanks for answering .
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#17
RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-09-24 08:18
Nellia,
Sometimes we are too hard on those folks.
My experience with them is that they are are really nice people. They ask me for "la carte", I said I don't have one, they look at me for couple of seconds perhaps to see if my picture matches the one on the passport and they stamp it. I say, Chukran!
I have to say that I almost always have my family with me, if that plays any role in them being nice to me. I don't know.
I think they are looking for a big fish not for someone like you and I.
Lastly you do not need la carte to go to Morocco. There is no law in Morocco that states that you have to have one in order to enter the country.
Dear Attorneys out there correct me if I am wrong.
Sometimes we are too hard on those folks.
My experience with them is that they are are really nice people. They ask me for "la carte", I said I don't have one, they look at me for couple of seconds perhaps to see if my picture matches the one on the passport and they stamp it. I say, Chukran!
I have to say that I almost always have my family with me, if that plays any role in them being nice to me. I don't know.
I think they are looking for a big fish not for someone like you and I.
Lastly you do not need la carte to go to Morocco. There is no law in Morocco that states that you have to have one in order to enter the country.
Dear Attorneys out there correct me if I am wrong.
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#18
To Mme Nellia —
2012-09-24 10:39
Hi Ms.Nellia,
When I had my American citizenship, I changed my last name and first name. So, in my Moroccan Id the last and first names are totally different from the ones I have my Moroccan ID. If you get there, and someone asks something,You could say something like: " Je sais que ca rentre pas dans le cadre de tes droits de me demander ce genre de questions, mais si t'es curieux de savoir: je suis mariee a un Americain." In case he starts to be stupid, ask to talk to the American Consulate in Casablanca. Because trust me, if the American Consulate or Embassy finds out that their citizens are harassed in this manner, the guy who asks this question will know that he will never have his job back.If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to send me an email or call me. My references are in my other comment. Good Luck.
Sincerely.
When I had my American citizenship, I changed my last name and first name. So, in my Moroccan Id the last and first names are totally different from the ones I have my Moroccan ID. If you get there, and someone asks something,You could say something like: " Je sais que ca rentre pas dans le cadre de tes droits de me demander ce genre de questions, mais si t'es curieux de savoir: je suis mariee a un Americain." In case he starts to be stupid, ask to talk to the American Consulate in Casablanca. Because trust me, if the American Consulate or Embassy finds out that their citizens are harassed in this manner, the guy who asks this question will know that he will never have his job back.If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to send me an email or call me. My references are in my other comment. Good Luck.
Sincerely.
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#19
No Need To Worry Nellia —
2012-09-24 10:49
My sisters have all been married for a couple of decades or more, but their CINs bear their maiden names.
Frankie : Interesting little story, the douanier who took you to his office for a pep talk sounds like he is a member of a cult trying to convince you to not abandon the commune.
Frankly, this "you are a Moroccan for life" has dark and sinister overtones.It brings to mind the old school Mafia code.
Frankie : Interesting little story, the douanier who took you to his office for a pep talk sounds like he is a member of a cult trying to convince you to not abandon the commune.
Frankly, this "you are a Moroccan for life" has dark and sinister overtones.It brings to mind the old school Mafia code.
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#20
RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-09-24 11:53
Frankie,
If you do not have anything that ties you up to Morocco other than your family, I don't see any harm from renouncing your citizenship.
I think by doing so, you are no longer considered a subject of his Majesty the king.
Moroccan authorities in and outside the country are getting more from us than we are receiving from them. Other countries are doing everything possible to serve their citizens not the other way around.
A good example is the service that we receive from the consulate, many here complain that they will not ever answer or return a phone call, La RAM is another example, they milk every penny out of the Moroccan living in the US.
Every penny you send or spend in Morocco goes directly to the organization of ceremonies that are held in Moroccan consulates all over the world to celebrate, the birth and the
enthronement of the king and we don't even get invited to these parties.
Morocco as a country is one of the most beautiful in the world if you ask me, and yest baboush and seikouk plays a big part for my statement but its authority is one of the most conning in the world.
As for the cops harassing people for "la carte", I have yet to receive such a treatment. Once one 3roubi was mad at me because I showed up at the glass counter right when he was about to go to lunch and he blamed that on me and I am not kidding and that made me think about renouncing my citizenship but then again I am not going to do that for such a " kidar".
Let's not forget that they are many many many genuine Moroccans who are great people.
When my mother got lost finding la RAM, a young Moroccan that she does not even know made sure to take her to the RAM check in counter when no one else bothered to read the note in English that I gave her, and the same thing when she was coming to visit me, 3 Moroccan dudes in their early 20s made sure that she took the next flight safe and sound , oh and before that they categorically refused that she pays for her lunch and theirs. They told her " nti b7al lawalida".
As you can see I cannot lose hope on Morocco, if we only........... .......
If you do not have anything that ties you up to Morocco other than your family, I don't see any harm from renouncing your citizenship.
I think by doing so, you are no longer considered a subject of his Majesty the king.
Moroccan authorities in and outside the country are getting more from us than we are receiving from them. Other countries are doing everything possible to serve their citizens not the other way around.
A good example is the service that we receive from the consulate, many here complain that they will not ever answer or return a phone call, La RAM is another example, they milk every penny out of the Moroccan living in the US.
Every penny you send or spend in Morocco goes directly to the organization of ceremonies that are held in Moroccan consulates all over the world to celebrate, the birth and the
enthronement of the king and we don't even get invited to these parties.
Morocco as a country is one of the most beautiful in the world if you ask me, and yest baboush and seikouk plays a big part for my statement but its authority is one of the most conning in the world.
As for the cops harassing people for "la carte", I have yet to receive such a treatment. Once one 3roubi was mad at me because I showed up at the glass counter right when he was about to go to lunch and he blamed that on me and I am not kidding and that made me think about renouncing my citizenship but then again I am not going to do that for such a " kidar".
Let's not forget that they are many many many genuine Moroccans who are great people.
When my mother got lost finding la RAM, a young Moroccan that she does not even know made sure to take her to the RAM check in counter when no one else bothered to read the note in English that I gave her, and the same thing when she was coming to visit me, 3 Moroccan dudes in their early 20s made sure that she took the next flight safe and sound , oh and before that they categorically refused that she pays for her lunch and theirs. They told her " nti b7al lawalida".
As you can see I cannot lose hope on Morocco, if we only........... .......
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RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-09-24 12:55
Dear Said Aati,
I don't suggest to anyone should lecture those poor cops making 300 bucks/month at best.
If you do that, you will lose, you are going to lose time and energy that you rather spend with your loved ones. You go home to relax not to get stressed.
Kill them with Kindness, it has ALWAYS worked for me. You are there for weeks, don't waste it, if you were living in Morocco, that's something else.
I personally do not have the energy nor the stamina to argue in Morocco. It just not worth it for me to lower my standards to theirs.
Remember one thing, sometimes they see you as someone you made it and they did not, don't add to their misery.
My 2 cents.
I don't suggest to anyone should lecture those poor cops making 300 bucks/month at best.
If you do that, you will lose, you are going to lose time and energy that you rather spend with your loved ones. You go home to relax not to get stressed.
Kill them with Kindness, it has ALWAYS worked for me. You are there for weeks, don't waste it, if you were living in Morocco, that's something else.
I personally do not have the energy nor the stamina to argue in Morocco. It just not worth it for me to lower my standards to theirs.
Remember one thing, sometimes they see you as someone you made it and they did not, don't add to their misery.
My 2 cents.
+1
#22
Thank You all/ Need an action —
2012-09-24 21:12
Dear friends and colleagues
It was actually interesting discussion, and I Look forward to seeing this civic discussion to be continued regarding other interesting subjects. And before I forger, I would like to thank everyone for the efforts to share their opinions.I also want to mention that so far I have not heard any follow up about the idea that Mr. Mellali suggested. It would be great if we can follow up. I read a comment from one of our colleagues that maybe we can't represent Moroccans in the US. Of course, I don't think we should have this as goal. The goal is to create an association where at least we can help people as much as we can to avoid this hassle that they go through whenever they are dealing with the Moroccan Consulate or or other entity as our friend Mellali put it. Again, thank you to you all and especially our friend Mellali, and I look forward to moving forward. Finally, sincere thanks to our Moroccoboard's team for its outstanding work and sacrifice to keep us informed and communicate with each other.
Sincerely,
Said
It was actually interesting discussion, and I Look forward to seeing this civic discussion to be continued regarding other interesting subjects. And before I forger, I would like to thank everyone for the efforts to share their opinions.I also want to mention that so far I have not heard any follow up about the idea that Mr. Mellali suggested. It would be great if we can follow up. I read a comment from one of our colleagues that maybe we can't represent Moroccans in the US. Of course, I don't think we should have this as goal. The goal is to create an association where at least we can help people as much as we can to avoid this hassle that they go through whenever they are dealing with the Moroccan Consulate or or other entity as our friend Mellali put it. Again, thank you to you all and especially our friend Mellali, and I look forward to moving forward. Finally, sincere thanks to our Moroccoboard's team for its outstanding work and sacrifice to keep us informed and communicate with each other.
Sincerely,
Said
+6
#23
RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-09-28 11:54
Nari Nari Nari Nari Nari a3la la3yaka. I have a US passport and I was so happy the day I got my Moroccan ID. Zayrou ma3ya, Remember where you came from. never forget. Renouncing your Moroccan identity is renouncing your soul. Be proud of being moroccan. You can go to Morocco, have fun and no one will bother you.
+2
#24
Why Moroccan Customs ask for CIN —
2012-09-29 22:03
The Customs at the Moroccan borders ask any foreigner entering the country questions like reason for travel, address where you will stay, etc. And this is more or less what every customs do in any other country.
Now, if you have a US passport, technically you're not Moroccan, and unless you show your CIN you have to go thru the questions they foreigh visitors. What the CIN buys you is to skip those questions because you're considered a citizen entering home.
I hope that helps.
Tarik.
Now, if you have a US passport, technically you're not Moroccan, and unless you show your CIN you have to go thru the questions they foreigh visitors. What the CIN buys you is to skip those questions because you're considered a citizen entering home.
I hope that helps.
Tarik.
-2
#25
Gatecrash —
2012-09-30 22:13
Every penny you send or spend in Morocco goes directly to the organization of ceremonies that are held in Moroccan consulates all over the world to celebrate, the birth and the
enthronement of the king and we don't even get invited to these parties.
It's not that you are not invited, it's that these stupid ceremonies are even taking place. You must be the only ones who bow and kiss a king and his son like he's a GOD.
enthronement of the king and we don't even get invited to these parties.
It's not that you are not invited, it's that these stupid ceremonies are even taking place. You must be the only ones who bow and kiss a king and his son like he's a GOD.
0
#26
RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-10-01 13:08
Mostafa - Why don't you just declare your political bias outright? You state "Members of the African American Community as well as the Hispanic American Community are about to lose their right to vote as US citizens because of political reasons imposed by the leadership of the Republican Party. These types of behavior give the US citizenship a bad name and belittles its value and honor."
Nobody is taking these rights away. Ask how many dead people vote for Democrats. The point is, this point was way off base and ruined an otherwise important question/topic posed in your article.
Nobody is taking these rights away. Ask how many dead people vote for Democrats. The point is, this point was way off base and ruined an otherwise important question/topic posed in your article.
-1
#27
RE: Moroccan Americans: On Citizenship and Flying Home —
2012-10-02 11:00
Quoting Riz1:
My statement was supposed to be sarcasm regarding not being invited.
Every penny you send or spend in Morocco goes directly to the organization of ceremonies that are held in Moroccan consulates all over the world to celebrate, the birth and the
enthronement of the king and we don't even get invited to these parties.
It's not that you are not invited, it's that these stupid ceremonies are even taking place. You must be the only ones who bow and kiss a king and his son like he's a GOD.
My statement was supposed to be sarcasm regarding not being invited.
0
#28
fight for right —
2012-10-03 00:15
the Arab gouvernements invaders of morocco and north africa et Israël caused berber crusade in those lands .the Kingston are the follow of Arab invaders .they used islam as à weapon to take over countries .Dictators régimes need to leave and goback to thier fathers and mothers in saudi Arabia and leave berbers alone .
+3
#29
FRANKIE —
2012-10-07 15:08
Quoting Frankie:
Why should you go and visit Morocco then FRANKIE? And renounce your Moroccan citizenship, no one will hold you back, on the opposite, you will do a great favour to Morocco and we, as PROUD MOROCCANS! Good luck with the fake dream of America, one day you'll wake up, but it will be too late. Cheers
I went to Morocco last Summer, i destryed my Moroccan Id long time ago, No need for it orfor a Moroccan Passpor either for that matter..........at the Casablanca Airport, one of the Officer asked me about it, and I said, I do not need it and I do not have it and will NOT get it..............He took me to his office and started talking to me nicely.........It is good to have just in case you want to open a Business in here, and al the sweet talks..........But I was direct with him.......I told him that I won't open a business in here, nd I come to Morocco to spend money, and if you guys keep doing that to oroccans they might turn their backs and go some place else to spend their money................Finally, I asked him to give me my Passport back or I will call the American Embassy in Casablanca, so he did.................And am thinking about renouncing my Moroccan citizenship as well
Why should you go and visit Morocco then FRANKIE? And renounce your Moroccan citizenship, no one will hold you back, on the opposite, you will do a great favour to Morocco and we, as PROUD MOROCCANS! Good luck with the fake dream of America, one day you'll wake up, but it will be too late. Cheers
0
#30
Roots —
2012-10-21 22:54
We can be proud of roots as Moroccans but we don't have to put up with the bullshit bureaucracy that has held the country hostage. The land of Morocco is a great land and the politics are not cause for us to disconnect from our roots.
Until corruption is wiped out, clean the streets and respect the Moroccans abroad and invest in their talent and innovation, we will only love the Land.
Until corruption is wiped out, clean the streets and respect the Moroccans abroad and invest in their talent and innovation, we will only love the Land.
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