Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police
- NABIL ARRACH, Ph.D,
- 12/30/12
Washington / Morocco Board News-- Abdessamad El idrissi, the Parliamentary Deputy from the current Islamist governing PJD party, was subject to an aggression by security officers during a demonstration organized by young unemployed citizens in front of the parliament.
The incident took place on Thursday, Dec. 27, in Rabat. As Mr. El idrissi was walking by, he noticed a violent intervention of the security forces against the protestors. As a parliamentary deputy, and a human rights activist, Mr. El idrissi felt the obligation to intervene after witnessing a disproportional use of force against the protesters. To his own surprise, he was beaten himself, dragged, and humiliated, despite showing his credentials to the security officers.
Notwithstanding, Mr. El idrissi has repeatedly praised the progress of human rights and justice in Morocco, in an interview on Aljazeera, the BBC, and other media outlets. Now, after being himself a victim of the police aggression, he described the incident as “a flagrant violation of human right law on public gathering.”
From a legal standpoint, we can argue whether Mr. El idrissi was within his rights to protect a citizen, who was unfairly beaten. However, it is undeniable that the security officers committed a clear violation, by attacking a parliamentary deputy who was simply expressing an opinion. Most importantly, it raises concerns about the competence of the security apparatus in adapting to the new concept of freedoms described in the new constitution.
This incident created a discomfort and concerns within the PJD. In fact, during the National Council of Justice and Development Party, Mr. Othmani, current Minister of Foreign Affairs and a member of the PJD, denounced the aggression committed against a member of his party and revealed that Interior Minister, Mohand Laenser, has ordered an investigation.
During the last few months, thousands of young unemployed rallied in Rabat protesting against the government’s recruitment policy. Mr. Benkiran, head of the government, denied direct recruitment of thousands of unemployed citizens that were promised jobs by the previous government, a decision that was heavily criticized by leaders within the coalition, including Hamid Chabat, head of the current governing coalition partner, the Istiqlal party.
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#1
Good —
2012-12-31 00:41
The Parliamentarian should never interfere with the security forces beating the hell out of those jobless losers who want to create chaos.
The government of his Majesty is in the business to keep the peace and battle poverty and injustice not to hand jobs. The government is not bureau placement, If they want job, they need to be qualified.
These people want the government to do everything for them.
The government of his Majesty is in the business to keep the peace and battle poverty and injustice not to hand jobs. The government is not bureau placement, If they want job, they need to be qualified.
These people want the government to do everything for them.
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#2
very bad —
2012-12-31 15:38
The police are as ever to prove themselves they are the thugs of the very low kind and ably demonstrating their skills in beating a parliamentary member. Let us not forget the police are under the command of much bigger thugs to do whatever it takes to silence the voices of the masses. And majority of them are silent indeed.
There are many many qualified people joining the employment market but where is the market for their skills? Is it in tourism? Is it in construction? Is it in the industries? Or how about agriculture? All the tops jobs are in the hands of the Royal Bureau of Nepotism. What is left is divided between millions of others with no connection with "his Majesty".
We are witnessing openly the beating of the citizens in the era of M6, of course before it was all out of sight. Now that is progress.
There are many many qualified people joining the employment market but where is the market for their skills? Is it in tourism? Is it in construction? Is it in the industries? Or how about agriculture? All the tops jobs are in the hands of the Royal Bureau of Nepotism. What is left is divided between millions of others with no connection with "his Majesty".
We are witnessing openly the beating of the citizens in the era of M6, of course before it was all out of sight. Now that is progress.
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#3
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-01 16:36
I agree with Isam. Moroccans workers in their majority are not qualified to do anything.
The cream of the crop left the country in the 80s and 90s and all that's left are those who "for no reason of their own" are not up to the task.
Those who left used to make things happen, now we have people who want the government to do things for them. The government is not an employment agency.
If you disagree with me, go to any office and try to get a service of any sort and you will see how hard it is to get anything done.
Why do you people blame the king for those who lack integrity to do the job they are paid to do?
Most of you here in the US never relied on the government of Morocco to better your life what makes those back there so special?
The cream of the crop left the country in the 80s and 90s and all that's left are those who "for no reason of their own" are not up to the task.
Those who left used to make things happen, now we have people who want the government to do things for them. The government is not an employment agency.
If you disagree with me, go to any office and try to get a service of any sort and you will see how hard it is to get anything done.
Why do you people blame the king for those who lack integrity to do the job they are paid to do?
Most of you here in the US never relied on the government of Morocco to better your life what makes those back there so special?
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#4
you are... but... —
2013-01-02 05:48
@isam and Jalal,
I read both of your comments and agree with your point of view that there are bad people out there who are asking for everything for nothing. And yes, they provide nothing in return, or little if they must. However, the Moroccan issue doesn't necessarily lay with the citizens themselves. Beating or oppressing the citizens isn't going to solve the problem. In fact, if oppression works, then Moroccan should hold first class award in exemplary citizens.
Morocco, above all, is a Mosaic with mixed races, cultures, traditions, and foreign influences. The gap between the rich and poor is widening. The poor is getting poorer while the rich is getting richer. The bottom line, the government is responsible for identifying the issues and develop plans to address them, via education and training programs.
Unfortunately, the Moroccan government is interested in self preservation in sticking its head in the sand and hopping that the problem will just go away. We need to help our fellow Moroccans by sharing our experiences abroad. Moroccan don't know how to govern and they don't know better. It's chain effect that started many decades ago and past on to generation after generation. Morocco's population is growing, and so is the inflation without the job growth and human capital to sustain it.
I strongly believe that Morocco needs a good leader, someone like JF. Kennedy or ML King. Someone who lives and speaks the truth.
Your positive participation in future topics are certainly welcomed and appreciated.
Sincerely
Sam Ahmed.
I read both of your comments and agree with your point of view that there are bad people out there who are asking for everything for nothing. And yes, they provide nothing in return, or little if they must. However, the Moroccan issue doesn't necessarily lay with the citizens themselves. Beating or oppressing the citizens isn't going to solve the problem. In fact, if oppression works, then Moroccan should hold first class award in exemplary citizens.
Morocco, above all, is a Mosaic with mixed races, cultures, traditions, and foreign influences. The gap between the rich and poor is widening. The poor is getting poorer while the rich is getting richer. The bottom line, the government is responsible for identifying the issues and develop plans to address them, via education and training programs.
Unfortunately, the Moroccan government is interested in self preservation in sticking its head in the sand and hopping that the problem will just go away. We need to help our fellow Moroccans by sharing our experiences abroad. Moroccan don't know how to govern and they don't know better. It's chain effect that started many decades ago and past on to generation after generation. Morocco's population is growing, and so is the inflation without the job growth and human capital to sustain it.
I strongly believe that Morocco needs a good leader, someone like JF. Kennedy or ML King. Someone who lives and speaks the truth.
Your positive participation in future topics are certainly welcomed and appreciated.
Sincerely
Sam Ahmed.
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#5
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-03 21:31
If you still believe that our revered king is the problem for those who cannot find a job, watch this video and let us know if you still believe that the Moroccan worker is up to par.
Moroccans need to stop blaming the king and start blaming theor parents who made 7-8 children with a meager 1500 dirham/month income.
The King has never forced people to make bad decisions, If anything , Moroccans should be thankful that someone is not sleeping the night to fix the mess they created with their ignorance.
Moroccans need to stop relying on handouts, When I lived there, all they want is take take and take and never give back.
Someone mentioned JFK, Yes I agree, JFK said
"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"
Com'on people let's now sweep the truth under the carpet. We are all Moroccans for good or for bad, but let's not forget that this king is bringing Morocco to the 21 st country even though Morocco has zero oil similar to our neighbors.
The king works 365 days a year to fix the non sense, give him credit would you? or you jut want to keep on complaining and blaming our King. DO something different!
Moroccans need to stop blaming the king and start blaming theor parents who made 7-8 children with a meager 1500 dirham/month income.
The King has never forced people to make bad decisions, If anything , Moroccans should be thankful that someone is not sleeping the night to fix the mess they created with their ignorance.
Moroccans need to stop relying on handouts, When I lived there, all they want is take take and take and never give back.
Someone mentioned JFK, Yes I agree, JFK said
"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country"
Com'on people let's now sweep the truth under the carpet. We are all Moroccans for good or for bad, but let's not forget that this king is bringing Morocco to the 21 st country even though Morocco has zero oil similar to our neighbors.
The king works 365 days a year to fix the non sense, give him credit would you? or you jut want to keep on complaining and blaming our King. DO something different!
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#6
Dishonest discourse —
2013-01-04 23:36
I cannot fathom the immensity of the intellectual dishonesty, coming from people who are blaming the victims here, or even worst blaming the poor for asking for dignity, and a job while sucking up to a billionaire who getting the hand out and a generous one at that 300 million US without asking for it and most of all he can do without it.when the queens and the kings OF the following countries budgets are as follow
((Britain €48.6m (£40.6m) 62.7287 US/ Netherlands €39.6m (£33.1m) 50.9671m US / Norway €28m (£23.4m) 36.5917m US / Belgium €13.7m euros (£11.5m) 16.9890m US /
Denmark €12.6m euros (£10.5m) 16.4663m US / Sweden €12.2m euros (£10.2m) 16.4663m US / Spain €8.9m euros (£7.43m) 11.7616m US / Luxembourg €8.7m euros (£7.2m 11.3696 m US))
It’s laughable that the video you’re putting as an exhibit A for your argument defeated the purpose it’s more incriminating for the king than the poor guy who trying to make a living.
((Britain €48.6m (£40.6m) 62.7287 US/ Netherlands €39.6m (£33.1m) 50.9671m US / Norway €28m (£23.4m) 36.5917m US / Belgium €13.7m euros (£11.5m) 16.9890m US /
Denmark €12.6m euros (£10.5m) 16.4663m US / Sweden €12.2m euros (£10.2m) 16.4663m US / Spain €8.9m euros (£7.43m) 11.7616m US / Luxembourg €8.7m euros (£7.2m 11.3696 m US))
It’s laughable that the video you’re putting as an exhibit A for your argument defeated the purpose it’s more incriminating for the king than the poor guy who trying to make a living.
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#7
The king of pricks ! that is... —
2013-01-05 15:08
Mind boggling is the moroccan genius isn;t it ? or am I just reading comments by airheads, friends of his majesty's services..maybe at the service of his washington based services...if not the king's services playing US based moroccans ??
Don't you dare mention JFK nor the American Revolution...it 's clear you dont understand jack to history and democracy...all of you !!
Poor king..he's doing everything..but jobless, oppressed subjects want to be spoon fed...i guess you came here (if you're actually here) because you were some nuclear physicist back home and volunteered to share your genius with the Americans...wow ...mind boggling indeed...wait a second..I'm being sarcastic here..just to help you laugh while you're dishwashing....
Know my son, that before JFK said his famous quote, the Founding Fathers, the constitution, the supreme court, the generals and great men like Abraham Lincoln radiya lahoo aanho have set justice and equality on the right path, but they did so after they removed themselves from his majesty the king of England. George Washington rahmatou lahi aalayhi could have declared himself a king upon his return from war with the british...but he didn't..in 20 years, he had breakfast with Martha, his wife at Mount Vernon only TWICE..he had every reason and perhaps right to declare himself a king...
So when you compare JFk to your moroccan kinglet, I take it as an insult.
But here is how you could help: you go back to your kinglet. you ask him why monarchies always extracted taxpayers money and kept them out of government and passed on that thievery to their puppies, ask him about accountability, ask him about justice, ask him about equal opportunity, ask him about the rule of law, ask him what job does his ali baba family does, ask him about corruption etc etc... then hope he obliges then maybe you can stay there and wont have to dishwash anymore, who knows? you may have accomplished something then.You and yours would have great opportunity in education, healthcare, freedom, justice, dignity etc..under the rule of LAW....
"If anybody thinks that kings, nobles, or priests are good conservators of the public happiness send them here [to Paris]. It is the best school in the universe to cure them of that folly."
( Thomas Jefferson, letter to George Wythe, August 13, 1786
I bet you he meant Rabat not Paris....
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Don't you dare mention JFK nor the American Revolution...it 's clear you dont understand jack to history and democracy...all of you !!
Poor king..he's doing everything..but jobless, oppressed subjects want to be spoon fed...i guess you came here (if you're actually here) because you were some nuclear physicist back home and volunteered to share your genius with the Americans...wow ...mind boggling indeed...wait a second..I'm being sarcastic here..just to help you laugh while you're dishwashing....
Know my son, that before JFK said his famous quote, the Founding Fathers, the constitution, the supreme court, the generals and great men like Abraham Lincoln radiya lahoo aanho have set justice and equality on the right path, but they did so after they removed themselves from his majesty the king of England. George Washington rahmatou lahi aalayhi could have declared himself a king upon his return from war with the british...but he didn't..in 20 years, he had breakfast with Martha, his wife at Mount Vernon only TWICE..he had every reason and perhaps right to declare himself a king...
So when you compare JFk to your moroccan kinglet, I take it as an insult.
But here is how you could help: you go back to your kinglet. you ask him why monarchies always extracted taxpayers money and kept them out of government and passed on that thievery to their puppies, ask him about accountability, ask him about justice, ask him about equal opportunity, ask him about the rule of law, ask him what job does his ali baba family does, ask him about corruption etc etc... then hope he obliges then maybe you can stay there and wont have to dishwash anymore, who knows? you may have accomplished something then.You and yours would have great opportunity in education, healthcare, freedom, justice, dignity etc..under the rule of LAW....
"If anybody thinks that kings, nobles, or priests are good conservators of the public happiness send them here [to Paris]. It is the best school in the universe to cure them of that folly."
( Thomas Jefferson, letter to George Wythe, August 13, 1786
I bet you he meant Rabat not Paris....
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
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#8
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-05 15:26
Mr. Isam,
I want to thank you for your honesty and for calling a spade a spade. I understand that the video clip is not the norm but it does indicate that we in Morocco have much work to do. I just do not understand how anyone compare the Moroccan Monarchy with the Europeans one. Europeans monarchies are just for the show and they should not get a cent, Moroccan Monarch is the servant of the people, and besides, it is not like that he's getting paid, he has his own money that the 300 years old monarchy has been accumulating for centuries.
The conversation here is about people finding it easier to simply stand in front of parliament building and say we need the government to hand us a job.
It does not work that way , when was the last time you've seen people in the US asking the government for jobs?, even the homeless don't ask the government, he/she always has a sign saying "work for food"
What people do not understand is that the government of his majesty spent more than 6 billion dollars on subsidies last year in order for people to survive and we simply do not have the money to create jobs for every single Moroccan.
His majesty is doing his best to bring investment to Morocco, his last Golf countries tour was promised 5 billions by the GCC and I do not see any Moroccan with such power to bring this amount of Money to Morocco.
Moroccan should be grateful, look what is happening in Egypt , Libya, Tunisia, even in Algeria which is one of the richest countries in Africa.
Those who complain about our King have not seen or lived during Hassan II when you can only whisper his name in coffee shops, where marda/merda has more power than any citizen and rules the streets, Now in Morocco everyone is fair game thanks to his majesty Mohammed the 6th one of the greatest Arab monarchs out there.
I want to thank you for your honesty and for calling a spade a spade. I understand that the video clip is not the norm but it does indicate that we in Morocco have much work to do. I just do not understand how anyone compare the Moroccan Monarchy with the Europeans one. Europeans monarchies are just for the show and they should not get a cent, Moroccan Monarch is the servant of the people, and besides, it is not like that he's getting paid, he has his own money that the 300 years old monarchy has been accumulating for centuries.
The conversation here is about people finding it easier to simply stand in front of parliament building and say we need the government to hand us a job.
It does not work that way , when was the last time you've seen people in the US asking the government for jobs?, even the homeless don't ask the government, he/she always has a sign saying "work for food"
What people do not understand is that the government of his majesty spent more than 6 billion dollars on subsidies last year in order for people to survive and we simply do not have the money to create jobs for every single Moroccan.
His majesty is doing his best to bring investment to Morocco, his last Golf countries tour was promised 5 billions by the GCC and I do not see any Moroccan with such power to bring this amount of Money to Morocco.
Moroccan should be grateful, look what is happening in Egypt , Libya, Tunisia, even in Algeria which is one of the richest countries in Africa.
Those who complain about our King have not seen or lived during Hassan II when you can only whisper his name in coffee shops, where marda/merda has more power than any citizen and rules the streets, Now in Morocco everyone is fair game thanks to his majesty Mohammed the 6th one of the greatest Arab monarchs out there.
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#9
The 47%, Moroccan-style —
2013-01-05 15:49
Moroccans don't want handouts. They want a level-playing field. The cronyism is sucking all the oxygen out of the country and Moroccans cannot breath anymore.
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#10
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-05 16:19
Jalal Qadiri I can speak from experience having had businesses in Morocco and the problem we faced. Firstly, the majority of the officials have no idea about anything, all they can do is skilfully stamp your documents; they don't even bother to read or read. The question is why is the staff there and why so much bureaucracy? The answer is simple; the government has to provide employment for people as they are far and few industries in Morocco that employ skilled and unskilled workers.
The government creates work for the people in the shape of bureaucracy. The advanced countries have gone wholesale automation whereas countries like Morocco relies, deliberately, with pen pushers, And therein lay the problem of (un)employment for the masses. Who in the right mind would want to set up factories and industries with so much bureaucracy and no doubt the cut for the various pockets? Is not India and China a better place? The other problem is that Morocco suffers from the link to France, majority of the graduates are OK with French language but not with English and if you look off-shore call centres and the like, they are concentrated in the English speaking countries or where the English is spoken as a second language.
Morocco has resources both natural and talented people but both, natural resources are squandered (by the elite) and the talents are stifled. People have resigned to the fate of poverty because directly and indirectly the ruler is myopic, he sees nothing but construction projects to stimulate the economy and there is only token attention to something that creates permanent employment
The king needs to overnight get rid of the bribery system, starting with himself first, get rid of the royal hanger-ons, cut the budget of self-protection , you know you are in a Police state when your passport is stamped by the police, get rid of them, get rid of the umpteen palaces, privatize the Royal Air Maroc, privatize Maroc Telecom (is it privatized?), and many of the companies which are in the hands of royal kissers, budget the income from phosphate to better and free education, make people pay their taxes or lock them up! Open up the market for competition, this is just a starter.
It shameful for the king that his elder citizens have to struggle and suffer from abject poverty, yet it welcomes the celebrities from round the world for its film festivals. How crass?
The government creates work for the people in the shape of bureaucracy. The advanced countries have gone wholesale automation whereas countries like Morocco relies, deliberately, with pen pushers, And therein lay the problem of (un)employment for the masses. Who in the right mind would want to set up factories and industries with so much bureaucracy and no doubt the cut for the various pockets? Is not India and China a better place? The other problem is that Morocco suffers from the link to France, majority of the graduates are OK with French language but not with English and if you look off-shore call centres and the like, they are concentrated in the English speaking countries or where the English is spoken as a second language.
Morocco has resources both natural and talented people but both, natural resources are squandered (by the elite) and the talents are stifled. People have resigned to the fate of poverty because directly and indirectly the ruler is myopic, he sees nothing but construction projects to stimulate the economy and there is only token attention to something that creates permanent employment
The king needs to overnight get rid of the bribery system, starting with himself first, get rid of the royal hanger-ons, cut the budget of self-protection , you know you are in a Police state when your passport is stamped by the police, get rid of them, get rid of the umpteen palaces, privatize the Royal Air Maroc, privatize Maroc Telecom (is it privatized?), and many of the companies which are in the hands of royal kissers, budget the income from phosphate to better and free education, make people pay their taxes or lock them up! Open up the market for competition, this is just a starter.
It shameful for the king that his elder citizens have to struggle and suffer from abject poverty, yet it welcomes the celebrities from round the world for its film festivals. How crass?
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#11
A wake up call —
2013-01-06 02:00
OK people don’t even think about it to compare situations European or north American for that matter the Moroccans are bloodsuckers ,ok put it in your head a country is like a entreprise the king or a president as CEO if the the bottom line is downward al the time you kick the ceo ass out ,that’s it ,and like the previous member said the other kings and queens are doing nothing.ok but they’re not doing any damage either as ours doing,when you talk about subsidies ,you know why subsidies are for ?are for buying peace,and you know which companies are taking advantage of the peace and the subsidies are your majesty’s so,please.
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#12
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-06 05:28
Adil why do you think that the Europeans royals are there as tourists attraction? Because people have rejected their kings and queens for a democratic way of life, the Moroccans have not been given the choice to elect a proper democratic government, the king say ye or nay to all of Moroccan affairs, the politicians are eunuchs and the masses are just head-shaking bystanders. And you call M6 the greatest Arab king?
I will tell you who has done much to attract investments to Morocco not the king but his female subjects. Just scratch the surface and you will see the reality, don't rely on map.ma.
I will tell you who has done much to attract investments to Morocco not the king but his female subjects. Just scratch the surface and you will see the reality, don't rely on map.ma.
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#13
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-06 09:44
I see that many of you who one of you shamelessly accuses you of being a dish washer have an issue with our revered King. He thinks that bringing up couple of sentences from very DEAD presidents makes him stand out. We don't live in Franklin and Benjamen's era, and we do not give a rat's ass if one of them only had breakfast with his wife only TwICE in 20 years. That tells me that he did not give a squat about his wife or perhaps he preferred to be having a relationship with men in his squadron, right?
You chose to worship Dead American presidents, in Morocco, we do not. We decided to do away with Hassan II and Lbasri and we won't look back, we are heading to where no Arab country have been before. We will be the exception and we will succeed and you will miss the bandwagon.
I just hate when people read couple of books about American History and come over here copy and paste few sentences and fool themselves into thinking that they are these amazing people of our time. Com'on dude you must intoxicated from the soap of your dish washing.
You chose to worship Dead American presidents, in Morocco, we do not. We decided to do away with Hassan II and Lbasri and we won't look back, we are heading to where no Arab country have been before. We will be the exception and we will succeed and you will miss the bandwagon.
I just hate when people read couple of books about American History and come over here copy and paste few sentences and fool themselves into thinking that they are these amazing people of our time. Com'on dude you must intoxicated from the soap of your dish washing.
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#14
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-06 12:34
ok ok ok . I hear you and I know where you are coming from but you are blaming the wrong side.
We have a constitution that is passed by 98%, we have a government that used to be in the opposition and now rightfully elected by the people, we are more free than any other Arab country, and we are considered by the west and by the US that many of you love to worship as a model to follow by other countries.
Here is where you people lose your insanity, you compare Morocco with the US, France, or Norway. You cannot do that. it's like comparing Dawya or 3boush with Sarah and esmeralda.
Morocco is not a European or Christian country, we are an Arab, Muslim, and we are the fifth largest economy in Africa. We are fairing much better than 90% of African countries, compare us with Africa not with Europe. Compare us with North Africa, don't go crazy comparing the US with the US the most powerful country in the world.
Yes we have flaws, yes we have to fix things, yes we have people in the government who steal and not honest but why do you blame his majesty one of the greatest monarchs or our time for someone else bad behavior?
If you know Morocco and you are a real Moroccan and I hate to say this, the majority of Moroccan workers are corrupt and you can buy them with few dirhams depending on your needs. Everywhere you go you can bribe your way out. Is it in any Moroccan Dahir that the monarchy encourages people to steal?
We have a constitution that is passed by 98%, we have a government that used to be in the opposition and now rightfully elected by the people, we are more free than any other Arab country, and we are considered by the west and by the US that many of you love to worship as a model to follow by other countries.
Here is where you people lose your insanity, you compare Morocco with the US, France, or Norway. You cannot do that. it's like comparing Dawya or 3boush with Sarah and esmeralda.
Morocco is not a European or Christian country, we are an Arab, Muslim, and we are the fifth largest economy in Africa. We are fairing much better than 90% of African countries, compare us with Africa not with Europe. Compare us with North Africa, don't go crazy comparing the US with the US the most powerful country in the world.
Yes we have flaws, yes we have to fix things, yes we have people in the government who steal and not honest but why do you blame his majesty one of the greatest monarchs or our time for someone else bad behavior?
If you know Morocco and you are a real Moroccan and I hate to say this, the majority of Moroccan workers are corrupt and you can buy them with few dirhams depending on your needs. Everywhere you go you can bribe your way out. Is it in any Moroccan Dahir that the monarchy encourages people to steal?
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#15
Plus Ca Change, Plus Ca Reste La Meme Chose! —
2013-01-06 13:45
I am ambiguous as to credit the king for sparring us the ravages of the so-called Arab Spring. Or maybe, the Moroccans after watching some Arab countries going up in flames opted to hold back and drink the bitter medicine of oppression, nepotism, corruption...et c in order to sauvegarde some kind of security.
It is becoming abundantly clear now that M6 is slowly reviving some of his father's brutal "methods" : from the disproportionat e use of force by the police during the demonstrations to torture, to summary imprisonments, the bad old days are creeping back ever worrisomely close to our daily lives.
So defend the king all you want, but please don't get suckered into false sense of duty.
It is becoming abundantly clear now that M6 is slowly reviving some of his father's brutal "methods" : from the disproportionat e use of force by the police during the demonstrations to torture, to summary imprisonments, the bad old days are creeping back ever worrisomely close to our daily lives.
So defend the king all you want, but please don't get suckered into false sense of duty.
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#16
Trivial subjects —
2013-01-06 18:12
Brilliant Le mountassir. I see driss basri did quite a good job !!!
Your disrespect of the founding fathers can only be matched by a worrisome yet understandable state of servitude.
I bet you couldn't speak that loud of hassan...
That's why they still sell orangina :)
But hey, here's a lagrima for you ( imagine the gobernator saying that )
Your disrespect of the founding fathers can only be matched by a worrisome yet understandable state of servitude.
I bet you couldn't speak that loud of hassan...
That's why they still sell orangina :)
But hey, here's a lagrima for you ( imagine the gobernator saying that )
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#17
Spring Cleaning —
2013-01-07 04:59
Isam yes Morocco is in Africa, but it struts as if it is America and Europe combined.
Yes you have constitution that was passed by one man, the king. Yes you have a political party governing Morocco with its hands tied back, blindfolded and castrated by the king and poor politicians are running round like headless chickens. I don't know where you get your figures for 90% Morocco is better then many of the African countries but it is not different then many of the African countries where the masses are suffering.
Yes Morocco is not a Christian country but it does all to copy Christianity including recent celebration of Christmas and New Year, which is prohibited for the Muslims, the people of La-ilaha-iLLaLLah.
Yes we have many flaws and there are many things that need fixing, but we have to start with the king. If the king can not get his house in order how do you expect workers to be honest, have integrity and humble?
The king is not a role model for anything other then how to sit on a chair and having a special prayer mat on Fridays to distinguish his highness. The king and some who cling to these things to the oblivious to what they are responsible for.
We don't need Spring Revolution, we need a thorough spring cleaning of the entire Arab World.
Yes you have constitution that was passed by one man, the king. Yes you have a political party governing Morocco with its hands tied back, blindfolded and castrated by the king and poor politicians are running round like headless chickens. I don't know where you get your figures for 90% Morocco is better then many of the African countries but it is not different then many of the African countries where the masses are suffering.
Yes Morocco is not a Christian country but it does all to copy Christianity including recent celebration of Christmas and New Year, which is prohibited for the Muslims, the people of La-ilaha-iLLaLLah.
Yes we have many flaws and there are many things that need fixing, but we have to start with the king. If the king can not get his house in order how do you expect workers to be honest, have integrity and humble?
The king is not a role model for anything other then how to sit on a chair and having a special prayer mat on Fridays to distinguish his highness. The king and some who cling to these things to the oblivious to what they are responsible for.
We don't need Spring Revolution, we need a thorough spring cleaning of the entire Arab World.
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#18
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-07 10:07
Isam,
You just make sense to me. Moroccans always blame someone else, it's never their fault, it's always France, Israel, the king, the minister, and the rich. A never ending bad habit.
When will Moroccans blame themselves for a change? when will they take responsibility for their own action?
I come from a very poor family in Casa, I studied very hard, I never blamed the king or the government, i was awarded a scholarship to study in the US from the US. I graduated and I am now working here and I like to add that my husband came exactly from the same background and he did the same thing.
Si tu veux tu peux.
The advice i give to my compatriots is focus , focus, and focus.
You just make sense to me. Moroccans always blame someone else, it's never their fault, it's always France, Israel, the king, the minister, and the rich. A never ending bad habit.
When will Moroccans blame themselves for a change? when will they take responsibility for their own action?
I come from a very poor family in Casa, I studied very hard, I never blamed the king or the government, i was awarded a scholarship to study in the US from the US. I graduated and I am now working here and I like to add that my husband came exactly from the same background and he did the same thing.
Si tu veux tu peux.
The advice i give to my compatriots is focus , focus, and focus.
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#19
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-07 14:35
Bahija you have not moved to Morocco, have you? Some would say this is hypocrisy, some would say this is un-thankful, yet others would say this treachery. But I say there must be some good reason, one of them could be that life is difficult in Morocco.
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#20
Smart girl !! —
2013-01-07 17:38
You just said it Bahija! You never had a chance in morocco. It took America to get you to where you are today. I have no doubt you're super smart and talented. But I am also 100% certain that if you were asked to go back and try to make it back home, you would answer: "Ouhou"
To take responsibility for your actions means: 1. You have room for and freedom of action 2. There is a system that protects that from going array either way.
In the land of m6, you're just sheep.
Now be honest bahija, would you have made it anywhere without that US scolarship? Would you go back to mountassir's revered m6 land to start over?
I'll be waiting for your answers! now dont make up things...
To take responsibility for your actions means: 1. You have room for and freedom of action 2. There is a system that protects that from going array either way.
In the land of m6, you're just sheep.
Now be honest bahija, would you have made it anywhere without that US scolarship? Would you go back to mountassir's revered m6 land to start over?
I'll be waiting for your answers! now dont make up things...
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#21
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-07 19:20
IronMaiden,
Kissing up to America will never make you an American and you deep down you know that. In America you will always be the second class citizen, the immigrant, the foreigner, or even a terrorist.
What a life!!! I feed sad for you.
and Please don't mention the founding fathers, you are what we call k7al ras, don't fool yourself.
They win the green card lottery, they stay here 5 years and with a very thick accent they call themselves Americans. What a joke. Wake up, I bet you go to an airport, you will be searched more than anyone else.
Your piece of paper they give you after dish washing for 5 years will never make you an American.
Kissing up to America will never make you an American and you deep down you know that. In America you will always be the second class citizen, the immigrant, the foreigner, or even a terrorist.
What a life!!! I feed sad for you.
and Please don't mention the founding fathers, you are what we call k7al ras, don't fool yourself.
They win the green card lottery, they stay here 5 years and with a very thick accent they call themselves Americans. What a joke. Wake up, I bet you go to an airport, you will be searched more than anyone else.
Your piece of paper they give you after dish washing for 5 years will never make you an American.
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#22
the sucker get sucked in —
2013-01-07 23:35
sucking up to a host country that give you the opportunity to make a living ,when your own country made a hell of your living ,is not a bad attitude or situation to be in ,but sucking up to a bloodsucker that's makes the ones who do cheaper than dirt.
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#23
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-08 04:39
You are right Isam kissing up to America will not get you much but kissing up to king will get you few crumbs, enough to make you bow before this man. I suppose in Morocco anyone who is on the few crumbs from the palace bows to this man, you know, the police the, the civil service, and the few misguided individuals. The difference is you have freedom and with hard work, you could make it in America. Contrary in Morocco, it is a bottomless pit, no matter how much money you pour it is not enough, no baraka - one Moroccan abroad supports four Moroccans back home. Whereas in Morocco it takes 20 to support one. That is the difference.
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#24
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-08 12:22
Let me be clear for those who think that the founding fathers are their fathers.
You are nothing but a foreigner and a terrorist in the mind of most Americans.
Any American if given a choice to hang out with a Chinese, a Congolese or an Arab like you, you will never be picked you can be sure of that.
5 millions Israelis are worth a lot more than 1.2 billion Muslim in the eyes of most Americans.
What I am saying is not a disdain toward America, it is a fact that none of you can deny, I love America and I love Morocco too, but at end of the end, I am and will always be Moroccan, if I like it or not.
For those of you who think that after winning the lottery, you are now American, I say please wake up.
For your information, I came to this country decades ago before any lottery was in place, as a Student I paid tuition for many many years, not like many of you who relied on lottery or marrying fat ugly americans. I helped the economy of this country and I now pay taxes and a lots of it.
If you are a dish washer like this Ironwhatever, I do not blame you and I do not look down on you but I will feed sad for you when you try to tell me that you are an American who only report to the founding fathers, sounds so pathetic.
Btw, keep giving me those thumbs downs because that tells me that you are reading my advice to you, perhaps you will learn a thing or two.
You are nothing but a foreigner and a terrorist in the mind of most Americans.
Any American if given a choice to hang out with a Chinese, a Congolese or an Arab like you, you will never be picked you can be sure of that.
5 millions Israelis are worth a lot more than 1.2 billion Muslim in the eyes of most Americans.
What I am saying is not a disdain toward America, it is a fact that none of you can deny, I love America and I love Morocco too, but at end of the end, I am and will always be Moroccan, if I like it or not.
For those of you who think that after winning the lottery, you are now American, I say please wake up.
For your information, I came to this country decades ago before any lottery was in place, as a Student I paid tuition for many many years, not like many of you who relied on lottery or marrying fat ugly americans. I helped the economy of this country and I now pay taxes and a lots of it.
If you are a dish washer like this Ironwhatever, I do not blame you and I do not look down on you but I will feed sad for you when you try to tell me that you are an American who only report to the founding fathers, sounds so pathetic.
Btw, keep giving me those thumbs downs because that tells me that you are reading my advice to you, perhaps you will learn a thing or two.
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#25
The ungrateful —
2013-01-08 14:56
Can you believe this guy; the discussion is about freedom of assembly in Morocco. And he is fixated about dish washers whom I have respect for ,because they’re earning their bread and butter not collecting welfare and more over helping their fox back home and the regime is using their hard currency for it’s own advantage , obviously the dish washers basher ,didn’t learn anything from his host country if we believe what he is saying he is at, first or a second class citizen at least you are a citizen ,not like back home you’re a subject ,well more like an object. Well ask a rbattis or casablancais or guys from south when they have to move to different region in morocco how they get treated. Ask a Moroccan when he starts in new a job in morocco how he get treated ,that’s the human nature, and an ugly one at that, and this guy going all over the place ,instead of denouncing the bloodsuckers ,the corrupt. The ones who slaves children. He is giving them cover if he is that unhappy abroad why he didn’t go back to one man land? No sir he wants his cake and eats it too, unless he is a fake.
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#26
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-08 16:01
Why would an Arab want to hang out with American anyway? So don't denigrate Arabs. Does anyone give hoot about the 5m Israelis? I will cut the blah blah of yours Isam and ask you one question: Why are you not pay lots and lots of taxes in Morocco?
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#27
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-08 16:37
To you Isam:
Well you are so sick, you don't like it when people wanted to be what they want to be, just chill it and let them what..if they say they are American..accep t it.. as you said you came to our country decades ago, let me remind you that i was born here over 50 years.. once you are a us citizen will always be and no one will take it away from you...
PS: let people express their feelings and try to understand them, by reading their comments, you can ask yourself i am lucky that i don't have those problems otherwise just keep quite and don't try to biter ..
About politics, i know nothing about your country...Peace dude :-)
Well you are so sick, you don't like it when people wanted to be what they want to be, just chill it and let them what..if they say they are American..accep t it.. as you said you came to our country decades ago, let me remind you that i was born here over 50 years.. once you are a us citizen will always be and no one will take it away from you...
PS: let people express their feelings and try to understand them, by reading their comments, you can ask yourself i am lucky that i don't have those problems otherwise just keep quite and don't try to biter ..
About politics, i know nothing about your country...Peace dude :-)
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#28
Keep in mind. —
2013-01-08 17:40
@Bahija,
For many of us commenting here, we are the lucky ones who worked hard and were giving the opportunity to pursue our dreams in another part of the world. If you were still in Morocco, even with the best education, you will find that hopelessness is a death sentence hovering over your head every day.
I don't doubt for one instance, that, the Moroccan services are lacking morals and business ethics; especially in self-employment and government sectors. For instance, you may easily get "robbed" by a corrupt plumber or doctor just as you would by a traffic cop, DA, or Judge.
If anyone disagree, then go to McDonald and another Moroccan "owned" restaurant and compare the rendered services of both places.
I already stated this point clearly in my previous posting. It is not who to blame but how to fix it. This is a leadership issue. There are no moral authorities out there. There are bunch of corrupted government officials from whom, Moroccans model their lives around. As the American saying goes: "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"
Another fact, if you have spent more than 10 years in the USA, you have grown accustomed to shy-away from winning as a selfish and lousy habit. To many Moroccans, winning is the only self expression to vent-out their frustration. I'm sure if things were looking better, the winning would ultimately stop.
You used the word focus, I agree and would suggest that we all focus on the solution onward...
For many of us commenting here, we are the lucky ones who worked hard and were giving the opportunity to pursue our dreams in another part of the world. If you were still in Morocco, even with the best education, you will find that hopelessness is a death sentence hovering over your head every day.
I don't doubt for one instance, that, the Moroccan services are lacking morals and business ethics; especially in self-employment and government sectors. For instance, you may easily get "robbed" by a corrupt plumber or doctor just as you would by a traffic cop, DA, or Judge.
If anyone disagree, then go to McDonald and another Moroccan "owned" restaurant and compare the rendered services of both places.
I already stated this point clearly in my previous posting. It is not who to blame but how to fix it. This is a leadership issue. There are no moral authorities out there. There are bunch of corrupted government officials from whom, Moroccans model their lives around. As the American saying goes: "what's good for the goose is good for the gander"
Another fact, if you have spent more than 10 years in the USA, you have grown accustomed to shy-away from winning as a selfish and lousy habit. To many Moroccans, winning is the only self expression to vent-out their frustration. I'm sure if things were looking better, the winning would ultimately stop.
You used the word focus, I agree and would suggest that we all focus on the solution onward...
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#29
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-08 20:23
Brett, I lived in ths country long enough to differentiate between a Moroccan and and American, You are no American and you English is of a second grade at best. Just come out of the closet, no need to hide behind an American name.
Mbt,
I pay Taxes in Morocco as well and I think they are too high especially when the guy next to my properties does not pay a cent, BUT, I will not blame sidna for the flaws of the tax system in Morocco. The people working in dariba are mostly crooks and trust me, the king does not benefit when everyone steal.
Sarhane, I totally agree with you about the corrupt system we have in Morocco but I will never blame our revered king, who is a rarity in the Arab world. The most respected king in the world.
Trust me, you guys sound dumb when you blame the king for someone who takes rashwa or steal a scooter.
Mbt,
I pay Taxes in Morocco as well and I think they are too high especially when the guy next to my properties does not pay a cent, BUT, I will not blame sidna for the flaws of the tax system in Morocco. The people working in dariba are mostly crooks and trust me, the king does not benefit when everyone steal.
Sarhane, I totally agree with you about the corrupt system we have in Morocco but I will never blame our revered king, who is a rarity in the Arab world. The most respected king in the world.
Trust me, you guys sound dumb when you blame the king for someone who takes rashwa or steal a scooter.
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#30
It's a start —
2013-01-09 20:43
I’m glad that you’re agreeing with the truth .well I hate to be a bad news bearer but your revered king is the corrupt system poster boy.
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#31
Slave to the Master —
2013-01-10 06:35
Isam I have to take an issue with you, the "king" is responsible for the goods and ills of his "kingdom". You agree that the systems is bad now who designs a system and who approves the system and enforces the system? Don't tell me your "king" is blind, that he doesn't know what is happening in his kingdom, that or he is surrounded by utterly incompetent people even than he can not close his eyes and be deaf to what is going on? Or may he is? But you know that is not the case. A true captain takes the blame if the ship is sunk or keeps it afloat with the right people and tools. The king is not the right chap to lead Morocco. under him you have continued prostitution, drug problems, failing education and employment, corrupt administration, mis-information , poverty, moral decline and many more I could mention but there is nothing one thing that I could say that he has done to applaud him. Can you name one good deed your master has done?
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#32
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-10 14:13
mbt,
you've got to find someone else to blame, sidna nasarahu lah is doing his utmost to uproot the ills of our country.
He's surrounded by thieves from left to right and Moroccan workers in general are thieves and rashwa takers, and you said that as well, the king does not tell people to take rashwa, it is not in his benefit that the citizens steal, what is so hard in this to understand.
Everywhere you go you have to give rashwa to get things done, and i just find it unintelligent to blame OUR king Amir al mouminin wafaqahu lah wa nasarahu 3ala a3da ihi for what you folks do.
you've got to find someone else to blame, sidna nasarahu lah is doing his utmost to uproot the ills of our country.
He's surrounded by thieves from left to right and Moroccan workers in general are thieves and rashwa takers, and you said that as well, the king does not tell people to take rashwa, it is not in his benefit that the citizens steal, what is so hard in this to understand.
Everywhere you go you have to give rashwa to get things done, and i just find it unintelligent to blame OUR king Amir al mouminin wafaqahu lah wa nasarahu 3ala a3da ihi for what you folks do.
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#33
The king —
2013-01-10 16:54
Surely Isam you don't expect the king to publicly announce it is OK to take rishwa do you? Of course he does not tell the drugs dealer not to deal in drugs or the women to become prostitutes, or the public to offer reshwa to officials to jump queue or the minister to pocket themselves with blue notes? In general the Moroccans have resigned to fate of rule by the king, a follow-on from H2. What say the people have? I the king is truly king he will relent to people's demand of a truly elected government.
You said he is surrounded by thieves but then why does he keep company of such people, unless he is one them? But some would say, and that goes for all the monarchies of the world, they are thieves stealing the from the people.
It is stubbornness and not the question of unintelligent that right under your nose you have been hood winked in to thinking that the king is innocent. You stay with your king but my KING IS ALLAH SWT.
You said he is surrounded by thieves but then why does he keep company of such people, unless he is one them? But some would say, and that goes for all the monarchies of the world, they are thieves stealing the from the people.
It is stubbornness and not the question of unintelligent that right under your nose you have been hood winked in to thinking that the king is innocent. You stay with your king but my KING IS ALLAH SWT.
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#34
Here you go again!! —
2013-01-10 17:22
That’s what I thought all along, that refrain was prevalent in the dictator’s father era, and it turn out to be a propaganda tool, and it goes like this he is not aware and he is surrounded by thieves the king does, well hassan2 himself confined in his security chief (de Gaulle body guard) that he was aware of the hanky panky going on and it’s better to keep them busy stealing than give them the opportunity to complot against him. And the same crap is going on again, the nonesense, that the dictator son is not aware, and that’s more incriminating than anything else why should we pay a guy 300 million + a year, if he is not aware of his surrounding, and the thieves you’re talking about he is the one who picked them up, and most of them are his classmates, so you should cut the crap, unless you’re spicing up the forum.
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#35
Leadership is lacking in Morocco... —
2013-01-15 19:37
Isam,
It's good to hear that you are a proud Moroccan who still pays Moroccan tax duties. It is also admirable to see you passionate about the Moroccan political and social status and issues, otherwise, you won’t be here. (btw… I would’ve assumed that you are a member of the royal family, but then again, you said that you are paying taxes...)
Few years ago, I had a discussion with my best friend (who is in the criminal court system) regarding the wide spread corruption. I honestly thought that corruption was limited to traffic cops and the door man to get you a move ahead of others… To my surprise, the whole court system is for sale to the highest bidder. Not only civil cases are for bit, but criminal ones can be bought to indict the innocent and free the guilty. When there is no justice; and when the worst of the worst is elected to authority position as in the case of the governor of Marrakech, one must believe that crime pays. If you reward your child’s bad behavior, then be prepared to see more of it.
There is no doubt that the current king is a cool guy, but you must understand that Morocco is a dynamic society. The new generation is refusing, and rightly so - if I may add, to live in the bubble that our parents endured for years. Furthermore, a good leader is someone who listens to his people’s concerns and fulfills their demands. Meeting the demands with violence by cops, only reflects negatively on the leadership.
The whole Arab revolution started with one guy who burned himself after he was denied a permit. As you wrongly paint every Moroccan with the same brush, don’t underestimate the power of the good people of Morocco (whom makes up the majority.) I’m hoping that you can respect the fact that nobody is perfect… but granting the king absolute immunity, only makes him further from it.
It's good to hear that you are a proud Moroccan who still pays Moroccan tax duties. It is also admirable to see you passionate about the Moroccan political and social status and issues, otherwise, you won’t be here. (btw… I would’ve assumed that you are a member of the royal family, but then again, you said that you are paying taxes...)
Few years ago, I had a discussion with my best friend (who is in the criminal court system) regarding the wide spread corruption. I honestly thought that corruption was limited to traffic cops and the door man to get you a move ahead of others… To my surprise, the whole court system is for sale to the highest bidder. Not only civil cases are for bit, but criminal ones can be bought to indict the innocent and free the guilty. When there is no justice; and when the worst of the worst is elected to authority position as in the case of the governor of Marrakech, one must believe that crime pays. If you reward your child’s bad behavior, then be prepared to see more of it.
There is no doubt that the current king is a cool guy, but you must understand that Morocco is a dynamic society. The new generation is refusing, and rightly so - if I may add, to live in the bubble that our parents endured for years. Furthermore, a good leader is someone who listens to his people’s concerns and fulfills their demands. Meeting the demands with violence by cops, only reflects negatively on the leadership.
The whole Arab revolution started with one guy who burned himself after he was denied a permit. As you wrongly paint every Moroccan with the same brush, don’t underestimate the power of the good people of Morocco (whom makes up the majority.) I’m hoping that you can respect the fact that nobody is perfect… but granting the king absolute immunity, only makes him further from it.
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#36
What planet are you from? —
2013-01-15 22:20
In the best movie ever made, aptly named CASABLANCA, the french cop, Captain Renault, memorably uttered these lines : "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!" All the while pocketing his bribe.
News flash! Corruption is as Moroccan as Couscous! Capice? It's interwoven into the very fabric of our society. Hello! And not by accident or faulty DNA either. It's by design. The king IS corrupt. His inner circle IS corrupt. Take it all the way down to the lowly chaouch, and you get a country that is ripe for a Somalia-like destiny. I pray to God that it's not. But if the powers that be keep treating Morocco like their piggy bank, their personal ATM's, I don't know what the future harbors!
News flash! Corruption is as Moroccan as Couscous! Capice? It's interwoven into the very fabric of our society. Hello! And not by accident or faulty DNA either. It's by design. The king IS corrupt. His inner circle IS corrupt. Take it all the way down to the lowly chaouch, and you get a country that is ripe for a Somalia-like destiny. I pray to God that it's not. But if the powers that be keep treating Morocco like their piggy bank, their personal ATM's, I don't know what the future harbors!
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#37
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-16 12:24
I agree. Corruption is interwoven into the very fabric of Moroccan society, it is part of their personality, it's our 6th sense so to speak.
By design? yes I agree with that too, when you go get shahadat diyal sukna, you bribe shaoush, merda, mqadaam, boulisy au commisariat, qayed and the guy who lets you meet the qayed. It happened to me, I am not just talking.
Should I blame the king for this? of course not, it just does not make sense to blame the Moroccan incompetence that is engraved our brain on the one who will benefit if all is well in Morocco.
Do you people understand that the king will NOT benefit if poverty is rampant? women are abused? islamists are telling how to lead your life? and if the length of your beard is acceptable?
Do you really believe that the king wakes up in the morning and say " Hummm today i need to find a way to screw up all Moroccans but the rich so that I keep my throne?"
DO you realize that you are not thinking and you are basically finding the king as the scape goat?
Do you want to live in a country with and "elected" president? then move to Algeria, Yemen, Libya or Iraq.
I once was thinking like you but then I realized I was wrong, totally wrong, I too found easier to blame the king and gave everyone a break, I used to think that if we were led by an elected president, we would be fine, until I realized that we are not Europe and we are not the US and the reason is pretty obvious: religion. As Muslims, it would be impossible for Morocco to become a real democracy, Shariaa as you all know discriminates against women, look at the current Moroccan government, we have ONE WOMAN who holds the lowest post in the government. What a shame!
This is reality my friends, if you do not want the king, you will not get better, eventually this king or his son will relinquish his powers when Morocco is ready, right now, we still have mqaddam and merda and karwilat in the street.
By design? yes I agree with that too, when you go get shahadat diyal sukna, you bribe shaoush, merda, mqadaam, boulisy au commisariat, qayed and the guy who lets you meet the qayed. It happened to me, I am not just talking.
Should I blame the king for this? of course not, it just does not make sense to blame the Moroccan incompetence that is engraved our brain on the one who will benefit if all is well in Morocco.
Do you people understand that the king will NOT benefit if poverty is rampant? women are abused? islamists are telling how to lead your life? and if the length of your beard is acceptable?
Do you really believe that the king wakes up in the morning and say " Hummm today i need to find a way to screw up all Moroccans but the rich so that I keep my throne?"
DO you realize that you are not thinking and you are basically finding the king as the scape goat?
Do you want to live in a country with and "elected" president? then move to Algeria, Yemen, Libya or Iraq.
I once was thinking like you but then I realized I was wrong, totally wrong, I too found easier to blame the king and gave everyone a break, I used to think that if we were led by an elected president, we would be fine, until I realized that we are not Europe and we are not the US and the reason is pretty obvious: religion. As Muslims, it would be impossible for Morocco to become a real democracy, Shariaa as you all know discriminates against women, look at the current Moroccan government, we have ONE WOMAN who holds the lowest post in the government. What a shame!
This is reality my friends, if you do not want the king, you will not get better, eventually this king or his son will relinquish his powers when Morocco is ready, right now, we still have mqaddam and merda and karwilat in the street.
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#38
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-16 15:19
Isam,
You know better than anybody that the monarchy is the source of corruption and injustice, but you keep defending your king. What make you think Morocco will be a kingdom forever?
After the first phase of the Arab Spring, and the rising protests in Jordan, it is quite possible to see a domino effect after the collapse of the first Arab monarchy, and this time morocco will not be an exception.
You know better than anybody that the monarchy is the source of corruption and injustice, but you keep defending your king. What make you think Morocco will be a kingdom forever?
After the first phase of the Arab Spring, and the rising protests in Jordan, it is quite possible to see a domino effect after the collapse of the first Arab monarchy, and this time morocco will not be an exception.
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#39
BEATING A DEAD HORSE —
2013-01-16 15:28
I have one question for our misguided colleague, and it goes as follow:
Does the king have an absolute power? Yes or no?
If it’s affirmative, I have no further question your honor. The king is guilty as charged
On the other hand he is saved by the Moroccan injustice system which is based on the premise that “you’re guilty until proven wealthy”
Does the king have an absolute power? Yes or no?
If it’s affirmative, I have no further question your honor. The king is guilty as charged
On the other hand he is saved by the Moroccan injustice system which is based on the premise that “you’re guilty until proven wealthy”
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#40
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-16 16:26
You want to convince me? I am all ears and I am open to your suggestions but I dear EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU to tell me : What is the alternative?
Com'on be brave and convince me, tell us what's on your mind.
It is very simplistic to keep blaming this king, it's the Moroccan thing, we blame others but never ourselves. We are always the sacrosanct, we were born to be right and righteous.
I -and I hate to brag- have the courage to say and to praise this king and I know that it is taboo in blogs to do so, you however will not have the courage to tell me what is the alternative.
Remember Algerians, Iraqis, Libyans, etc did elect their president. Are they better off?
I also would like to do one thing please and imagine you do not know Morocco, google the word Morocco, Libya, Algeria, iraq, Yemen, Jordan, or any Arab country and tell us where you would rather be.
I bet you will finally and surely realize that Morocco is the better of all.
I too wish the Morocco can be a western democracy a la francaise or Americaine, but that's foolish, we cannot be those countries because we are MUSLIMS.
ISLAM AND DEMOCRACY DO NOT GO HAND IN HAND.
AS MUSLIMS:
WILL MOROCCANS ACCEPT SAME SEX MARRIAGE? WOMEN BE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD? CHOOSE NOT TO FAST RAMADAN? FREE TO SPEAK YOUR MIND WITHOUT ANY REPERCUSSIONS?
Moroccan are very attached to their religion and their faith and they are not about to drop their faith for the sake of democracy.
Morocco's best bet is to do what Turkey did. Separation between religion and government. In Morocco that would be impossible because every you do,say, is based on the religion.
The current justice minister did not see anything illegal when a rapist married his victim? and the victim was forced to kill herself.
And in Islam the victim will go to hell because it is against the Koranic teaching and god's will to kill yourself unless you do it to kill Jews and infidels as it is the case now in the oil fields in Algeria, where a group of terrorists are holding innocent foreigners.
Com'on be brave and convince me, tell us what's on your mind.
It is very simplistic to keep blaming this king, it's the Moroccan thing, we blame others but never ourselves. We are always the sacrosanct, we were born to be right and righteous.
I -and I hate to brag- have the courage to say and to praise this king and I know that it is taboo in blogs to do so, you however will not have the courage to tell me what is the alternative.
Remember Algerians, Iraqis, Libyans, etc did elect their president. Are they better off?
I also would like to do one thing please and imagine you do not know Morocco, google the word Morocco, Libya, Algeria, iraq, Yemen, Jordan, or any Arab country and tell us where you would rather be.
I bet you will finally and surely realize that Morocco is the better of all.
I too wish the Morocco can be a western democracy a la francaise or Americaine, but that's foolish, we cannot be those countries because we are MUSLIMS.
ISLAM AND DEMOCRACY DO NOT GO HAND IN HAND.
AS MUSLIMS:
WILL MOROCCANS ACCEPT SAME SEX MARRIAGE? WOMEN BE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD? CHOOSE NOT TO FAST RAMADAN? FREE TO SPEAK YOUR MIND WITHOUT ANY REPERCUSSIONS?
Moroccan are very attached to their religion and their faith and they are not about to drop their faith for the sake of democracy.
Morocco's best bet is to do what Turkey did. Separation between religion and government. In Morocco that would be impossible because every you do,say, is based on the religion.
The current justice minister did not see anything illegal when a rapist married his victim? and the victim was forced to kill herself.
And in Islam the victim will go to hell because it is against the Koranic teaching and god's will to kill yourself unless you do it to kill Jews and infidels as it is the case now in the oil fields in Algeria, where a group of terrorists are holding innocent foreigners.
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#41
Moroccans always complain about anything —
2013-01-16 21:52
Keep dreaming you haters the king would be there forever and by the way I really hate all the moroccans that live in the USA,problem is democracy does not look good with you people if you know what I mean
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#42
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-17 13:58
Hate is not a solution, disagreement does not necessitate hate.
Just because we have a difference of opinion, it does not mean we should wish them harm.
Moroccans might be unethical in their work but it does not necessarily mean that they are bad as people.
Besides, I do agree with most of what they are saying EXCEPT blaming the king for everything bad in Morocco but never blame themselves.
As you can see I challenged them to provide us with an alternative and none of them can do that because they know deep down we do not have an alternative to the king.
I am here to be convinced but none of them is able to do so except the usual nonsensical blame game.
Their defense is that I am a royal, brainwashed, non paying taxpayer....etc . One of them went as far as mentioning the movie Casablanca to make his point.
Again, I call on you to tell us what would you do after your overthrow the king. Tell us the alternative.
Be brave, speak your mind!
Just because we have a difference of opinion, it does not mean we should wish them harm.
Moroccans might be unethical in their work but it does not necessarily mean that they are bad as people.
Besides, I do agree with most of what they are saying EXCEPT blaming the king for everything bad in Morocco but never blame themselves.
As you can see I challenged them to provide us with an alternative and none of them can do that because they know deep down we do not have an alternative to the king.
I am here to be convinced but none of them is able to do so except the usual nonsensical blame game.
Their defense is that I am a royal, brainwashed, non paying taxpayer....etc . One of them went as far as mentioning the movie Casablanca to make his point.
Again, I call on you to tell us what would you do after your overthrow the king. Tell us the alternative.
Be brave, speak your mind!
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#43
Barking the wrong tree —
2013-01-17 14:03
First rule of thumb when you compare yourself to somebody you should do with better than not worst. For those countries is too early to judge you cannot go from more than half a century of dictatorship to a democracy overnight .It is a given religion not matter which one is undemocratic and is a sign of weakness, cause it’s based on a sheep like demagoguery, and that’s why the democratic countries did put a separation between the governance and the church …..
But on the opposite spectrum your king is putting religion front and center, to put the masses to sleep while he is doing his dirty business. For start he should do what the others high class welfare recipients (Elizabeth; Carlos ;….) did.
He should relinquish absolute power, and stop meddling in the justice system, and stop behaving as an octopus in the life of the country. What you call a guy how his company furnish his palaces(another fish to fry) and charge the poor for it? or one who use the subsidies from the country coffers to buy the peace while he is owning the same companies that profit from them(subsidies) in another way the subsidies money going to his coffers.
And you should know that he is the head and a product of the corrupt system, and by all the international measures,morocc o is worst of with him on the helm, the corruption is getting worst .the education is a disaster, and name it .his expenses sky rocketed,(300 million$+)while the country getting in debts to his eyeballs ,as for the tramway, the tgv and the mall,they are lipstick on a pig.and running around the country like chicken without a head inaugurating project that his security protocols cost more than the project itself doesn’t make a leader .
But on the opposite spectrum your king is putting religion front and center, to put the masses to sleep while he is doing his dirty business. For start he should do what the others high class welfare recipients (Elizabeth; Carlos ;….) did.
He should relinquish absolute power, and stop meddling in the justice system, and stop behaving as an octopus in the life of the country. What you call a guy how his company furnish his palaces(another fish to fry) and charge the poor for it? or one who use the subsidies from the country coffers to buy the peace while he is owning the same companies that profit from them(subsidies) in another way the subsidies money going to his coffers.
And you should know that he is the head and a product of the corrupt system, and by all the international measures,morocc o is worst of with him on the helm, the corruption is getting worst .the education is a disaster, and name it .his expenses sky rocketed,(300 million$+)while the country getting in debts to his eyeballs ,as for the tramway, the tgv and the mall,they are lipstick on a pig.and running around the country like chicken without a head inaugurating project that his security protocols cost more than the project itself doesn’t make a leader .
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#44
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-17 14:27
Isam not only do you not understand Islam but democracy as well. Don't blame Islam or democracy if Justice minister is incompetent, blame on man's incompetencies and ignorance. Therefore your rant is just that rant.
How can you expect Morocco to be a true Muslim country when the king relishes being bowed before him and allowing his wife to show her legs in public. Does not this man fear that he has to appear before the ALMIGHTY ALLAH SWT?
Islam offers everything and more and better than world democracies and other forms of governance has to offers, it safe guards everyone rights and it prevents humans going crazy like same sex marriage, there is good reason same sex is a failure as it is stopper to the population growth. When will man come out of its ignorance and arrogant shell?
How can you expect Morocco to be a true Muslim country when the king relishes being bowed before him and allowing his wife to show her legs in public. Does not this man fear that he has to appear before the ALMIGHTY ALLAH SWT?
Islam offers everything and more and better than world democracies and other forms of governance has to offers, it safe guards everyone rights and it prevents humans going crazy like same sex marriage, there is good reason same sex is a failure as it is stopper to the population growth. When will man come out of its ignorance and arrogant shell?
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#45
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-17 18:06
Let's start with lipstick on a pig, seems to me that your idol is Sarah Palin and that is why you used her dull analogy.
Secundo, you say Religion is a sign of weakness but your friend mbt says we should use Shariaa to govern. One of you need to make up his mind.
More importatly you went on and on blaming the king of Morocco for all ills but you two are not able to provide me with an alternative. you know why? because you know that in Morocco we do not have people who are apt to govern and to lead.
Again, I challenge you and anyone who sides with you to tell me, if not the king, who do they want to see instead?
I know that no matter you mention, you will just make a fool out of yourself.
I am not asking for too much, you said the king is no good, i say, ok, tell me who do you want instead? another person? a group of persons? Benkirane? Ramid? El fassi? Jettou? Taoussi? Belhanda? Dolmy?
Driss diba? El guerrouj? aouita?
I just want you all to enlighten me and "unbrainwash" me. Is this too much to ask?
There are so many pseudo democratic folks in this blog, where are they? why are they not helping you? hun?
Do you seriously believe that Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt will be better off in the next few years? really?
I know you don't, I know that you people are smart enough to realize that what happen in those countries is a simple Muslim fanatics taking over. Was a good thing that Qaddafi, Ben Ali, Mubarak are gone? of course, I wish they can burn in jahanam khalidian fiha but to tell me that we should have people like those in al Adl wal ihsan run my day to day life, you must be out of your mind.
Lastly, Just mention who do you want to replace the king with, who knows? I might subscribe to your notion. Ask those who like to come here equipped with big words to help you figure it out.
Secundo, you say Religion is a sign of weakness but your friend mbt says we should use Shariaa to govern. One of you need to make up his mind.
More importatly you went on and on blaming the king of Morocco for all ills but you two are not able to provide me with an alternative. you know why? because you know that in Morocco we do not have people who are apt to govern and to lead.
Again, I challenge you and anyone who sides with you to tell me, if not the king, who do they want to see instead?
I know that no matter you mention, you will just make a fool out of yourself.
I am not asking for too much, you said the king is no good, i say, ok, tell me who do you want instead? another person? a group of persons? Benkirane? Ramid? El fassi? Jettou? Taoussi? Belhanda? Dolmy?
Driss diba? El guerrouj? aouita?
I just want you all to enlighten me and "unbrainwash" me. Is this too much to ask?
There are so many pseudo democratic folks in this blog, where are they? why are they not helping you? hun?
Do you seriously believe that Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt will be better off in the next few years? really?
I know you don't, I know that you people are smart enough to realize that what happen in those countries is a simple Muslim fanatics taking over. Was a good thing that Qaddafi, Ben Ali, Mubarak are gone? of course, I wish they can burn in jahanam khalidian fiha but to tell me that we should have people like those in al Adl wal ihsan run my day to day life, you must be out of your mind.
Lastly, Just mention who do you want to replace the king with, who knows? I might subscribe to your notion. Ask those who like to come here equipped with big words to help you figure it out.
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#46
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-18 05:48
I think it was the late Ian Smith the ex-prime minister of Rhodesia said that you have to give blacks bicycle first before you let them use a motorbike. In the past the world was governed by kings and queens and sultan and sultanas, rajas and maharajas, all of them have gone for the presidents and prime ministers. And one day the king will be a memory and we will have a president and prime minister proper.
The people of Morocco are not given their bicycles so that they can be trained to ride the parliamentary motorbike. The incumbent parliamentarian s are controlled and ruled by the man occupying the golden chair, unless and until the king is a ceremonial head of state or better still retired gracefully we will have the limiting electroll system in Morocco and not a fully democratic country.
It is not that Isam should call for who is there to lead the country, really you should say out the king and let people decide for good or bad of the country like situations we see in other parts of the Arab World, at least they decide their fate not the king or the dictators. The king has proved he can not rule the country fairly, now let the people decide their fate and give them the opportunity to fully govern themselves. Give people a chance.
The people of Morocco are not given their bicycles so that they can be trained to ride the parliamentary motorbike. The incumbent parliamentarian s are controlled and ruled by the man occupying the golden chair, unless and until the king is a ceremonial head of state or better still retired gracefully we will have the limiting electroll system in Morocco and not a fully democratic country.
It is not that Isam should call for who is there to lead the country, really you should say out the king and let people decide for good or bad of the country like situations we see in other parts of the Arab World, at least they decide their fate not the king or the dictators. The king has proved he can not rule the country fairly, now let the people decide their fate and give them the opportunity to fully govern themselves. Give people a chance.
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#47
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-18 12:02
what you are asking for is anarchy.
The king is the one who unites all Moroccans, those for him and those against him, we have a luxury that there is always someone we can turn to.
All your posts indicate that you are an Islamist and you believe that Shari'a is the way to go, the only problem is not ALL OF US believe that Governance should be through Shari'a and that is why we have a king who says that you have a place in Morocco if you believe in Shari'a or not.
Look around and see all the Arab countries around you and tell me where you rather be today.
The king is the one who unites all Moroccans, those for him and those against him, we have a luxury that there is always someone we can turn to.
All your posts indicate that you are an Islamist and you believe that Shari'a is the way to go, the only problem is not ALL OF US believe that Governance should be through Shari'a and that is why we have a king who says that you have a place in Morocco if you believe in Shari'a or not.
Look around and see all the Arab countries around you and tell me where you rather be today.
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#48
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-18 14:11
I have a short answer to your question, you know why you don’t see any alternatives cause you have a tunnel vision and furthermore ,what the system does best is to wipe out the real opposition and encourage the pseudo ones as a smoke screen like the incompetents named above are no more different from your king they are product of the system for the system, so open the process and you will see the real leaders not thieves or demagogues , and concerning the other bloodsuckers you mention the like of ben ail and Mubarak and cie ,they are in the same league as your king I don’t see any disparities, only one , the king is wealthier even if morocco is poorer has more palaces ,get hand kissed and he has the country under his feet.so please save yourself the make believe.
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#49
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-19 20:29
Isam, To the question of where I'd rather be: U.A.E, Jordan, Lebanon, Tunisia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Heck even Algeria at points in time, at least they have niff when it comes to their sovereignty unlike "sidna" and his colonized-peopl e mentality
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#50
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-20 23:45
Well I'm Algerian and I can say one thing: Good job Moroccans for not getting yourself into a terrorist mess like we have. One day hopefully you'll regain your Sahara and we'll regain our self-determinat ion and then we can work side by side to secure and advance the Maghreb. Inchallah
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#51
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-21 21:18
Amine1,
If only the Algerian leadership sees it the way you do.
Yes, it kills me to see us making others profit from our conflict and Algeria is going after Morocco day and night.
When Spain attacked Morocco in the Leila island, Algerian leadership supported Spain, When the refinery was attacked by terrorists, Morocco has not gotten involved and simply repeated the official statement made by your prime minister.
He also said :
ALGER- L’Algérie n’a pas de problèmes avec la Tunisie et le Maroc, a déclaré lundi à Alger le Premier ministre, M. Abdelmalek Sellal.
This is an insult to the people of Morocco and Algeria for that matter.
If only the Algerian leadership sees it the way you do.
Yes, it kills me to see us making others profit from our conflict and Algeria is going after Morocco day and night.
When Spain attacked Morocco in the Leila island, Algerian leadership supported Spain, When the refinery was attacked by terrorists, Morocco has not gotten involved and simply repeated the official statement made by your prime minister.
He also said :
ALGER- L’Algérie n’a pas de problèmes avec la Tunisie et le Maroc, a déclaré lundi à Alger le Premier ministre, M. Abdelmalek Sellal.
This is an insult to the people of Morocco and Algeria for that matter.
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#52
RE: Morocco: Parliamentarian Assaulted By Police —
2013-01-22 10:09
Ishaq,
The go for it, move , what are you waiting for?
Keep in mind that the emir of qatar just sent someone to life in prison for writing a poem.
You need to do more homework son before you respond.
The go for it, move , what are you waiting for?
Keep in mind that the emir of qatar just sent someone to life in prison for writing a poem.
You need to do more homework son before you respond.
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