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Libya exposes leadership vacuum in Algeria

Moocco Board News-The Algerian authorities’ change of heart regarding their decision not to recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC) indicates an emerging civilian power vacuum in el-Mouradia Palace and a de-facto take over by the Military of all matters of government in Algiers.  Experts believe that the Libyan crisis has exposed the “known fact” that the Military Intelligence Agency‘s (Département du Renseignement et de la Sécurité or DRS) has been running the Government in Algeria for sometimes now.

With Algeria’s so-called position of “pure neutrality” in the Libyan conflict evaporating, Algeria’s Foreign Minister is trying to save face on the international scene.  Mr. Mourad Medelci recent declaration of Algeria’s pending recognition of the CNT is a far cry from his government official campaign of denouncing “foreign intervention” in Libya and accusing the CNT of harboring members the North African branch of Al-Qaeda (AQIM). Algeria’s sudden change of policy on Libya begs the following questions: Who is in charge in Algiers? Who is making foreign policy decisions within the Algerian government? Is Bouteflika able to mediate between the weak civilians and the powerful DRS leaderships?

Algeria’s “ambiguous” position vis-à-vis the CNT is a by-product of the DRS’s fear of a democratic contagion from Libya and Tunisia affecting the restless Algerian youth. DRS was never a fan of Gaddafi and his unpredictable moods. In fact, Gaddafi and the DRS had fundamental difference on issues such as the Touareg rebellions in Mali, insecurity in the Sahel and the role of Libya in the Sahel.

The deteriorating health condition of President Bouteflika remains an open secret on Algeria’s streets. The Algerian President’s long absences, his brief appearances and his frail looks are fueling the long suspicion that Mr. Bouteflika is unable to govern Algeria. As the Libyan conflict dragged on, the Algerian government took time to come up with an “official position” indicating a lack of leadership in el-mouradia and a sign that the “undiplomatic” DRS is in charge. The Algerian public and press were confused and surprised by their government lack of clarity and “synchronization” in the Libyan crisis; such concord is known to come from Bouteflika on matters of foreign affairs. The slowness and sloppiness of the Algerian position during the most critical moments of the Libyan civil lead to believe that Bouteflika is no longer in charge.

However, the Algerian authorities decision to give refuge to Gaddafi’s family on “humanitarian grounds” remains the most vivid sign that the civilian face of the Algerian government is fading away under pressure from major and fast moving political and social events in Tunisia, Morocco and Libya. With Major capitals, including Washington and London, asking questions about the direction of the Algerian position on Libya, the DRS was forced to give up its “revolutionary” rhetoric and join the world to welcome the Libyan revolutionary on the international scene.

With President Bouteflika unable to referee between the civilians and the Military establishment, the likes of Mr. Medelci find themselves in the awkward position. Algeria’s arguments for not recognizing the CNT are “offensive.” As an Algerian opponent noticed, it is preposterous for an “unelected Algerian government to ask the current ruler in Tripoli to first ensure that the CNT is supported by the majority of the Libyan people, through the organization of an election.”

 

 

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Algerian
+2 #1 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaAlgerian 2011-09-01 07:07
Algeria was always against foreign interference in its neighbors affairs( The western Sahara is a UN question and not a single country recognizes your Sovereignty over that territory). So lets recapitulate the main events.
-Algeria was against France and Nato's interference in Libyan affairs and was with the AU road map, the events have proved Algeria to be right "Dans une lettre que s’est procurée «Libération», les rebelles promettent d’accorder 35% du brut libyen aux Français."
http://www.liberation.fr/monde/01012357324-petrole-l-accord-secret-entre-le-cnt-et-la-france
- The Benghazi gangs accused Algeria of supporting Khadafi without putting forward any evidence to support their accusations, and its a well documented fact that some the Rebels rebels are well known Alqaida associates, case and point MR Belhadj, who is the leader of the rebels triples brigade and this same Mr Belhadj fought in Afghanistan and was later caught by the CIA IN 2003.
So first, Algerian will never be very supportive of a movement that considers France, Sarkozy and Bernard levy to be their god father second, Algeria will always think twice before recognizing an entity with ties to Alqaida.
- As for Alkhadafi Family, Algeria gave refuge to two women and a dozen of kids and two men that have not pending charges, and later one of the ladies gave birth to a baby girl, and Algeria did not violate any law or agreement by giving refuge to a pregnant female, Compare that to what Morocco did with Kika( Libyan opposition leader in the 80's) that sought refuge in Morocco.
Morocco sold the man to Khadafi for 200 million dollars and the guy was sent to libya where his throat was later cut in Tripolis airport.
Again, Algeria has not recognized the transition gov. yet and Medelci has said and i am quoting "Algeria is ready to recognize Libya's National Transitional Council if it forms a "government representing all regions." and try to focus on the Algeria is ready to recognize Libya's National Transitional Council if it forms a "government representing all regions."
So you can criticize Algeria all you want but we are not like other BENI OUI OUI so you guys can day dream and come up with lies all you want but at the end of the day, no one will dictate to Algeria what it should do.
On a final note, what happened to the over 500 Polisario fighters caught by the rebels?? didn't you guys hear Abdel Jalil denying that?
You guys had no problem writing a long article about that lie but the least you can do now, as any respectable journalist would do, is retract that story........we ll but that would not fit your vision of the world affairs:-).
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Morcelli
0 #2 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-01 07:13
Dear Morocco Board readers,
The CNT is not to be trusted either, remember that these people are former servants of the tyrant. First they told everyone that the polisario is taking part in killing Libyans or at least they never denied it, now all of sudden their leader Abdejalil when asked if the polisario was part of the mercenaries, he said " We do not have any indication of such and we will not accuse anyone" this statement is meant to please Algeria, and that's the reason Algeria has a change of heart today in Paris.
Algeria does not care what happened in Libya, Tunisia, or anywhere else, their main target and concern is Morocco.
The CNT knows that their main ally can be Algeria, Morocco is too far away from Libya to worry about it.
Fassi Fihri went over there in hope to get a statement from the CNT backing the Moroccan sahara, he came up empty handed. Poor Fassi Fihri!

Algeria is not as dumb as some think they are, they put pressure on the CNT, the CNT responded by denying the the presence of the polisario. I think Morocco is the one loosing this war, I have to sadly admit.
Besides, the world does not and will not punish Algeria for playing the " Neutrality game" when they hear it has 160 billion dollars in reserves.
France, the US, and Britain are now thinking how they can get their hands on that money, perhaps they are even asking their military if they have some legacy weapons that they need to scrap from their inventory because Algeria will be more than willing to buy it, they are not thinking , "hummm Algeria is not cooperating".
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Morcelli
0 #3 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-01 08:16
Algerian,
You want proof that the dictator sides with the dictators, I made this one for you
" https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4IvXxv4G4js/TmARREfyfpI/AAAAAAAADoY/0FgNII6e8fA/s912/boutef.jpg

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booboo Anti-Morcelli
0 #4 Moroccan self-unawarnessbooboo Anti-Morcelli 2011-09-01 15:43
The picture you posted is very cute Morcelli, except, you forgot the one where Bouteflika hugs M6, commander of the faithful, another dictator that Moroccans have still never stood up to (probably never will). I?
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borsa
0 #5 Algeria's confused foreign policy and AU impotency borsa 2011-09-01 17:43
Algerian diplomacy appears to be in chaos right now which is probably why they are continually touting the “pure neutrality” slogan which lets be honest no one is buying into. The Algerian Mafia regime are struggling to come to terms with the obvious fact they have backed a loser in Gaddafi which explains their contradictory statements and actions in the past few months.

This saga also highlights just how impotent and clueless the African Union are in dealing with major political events in the African continent. Rather than supporting the aspirations of the Libyan people's struggle for freedom they instead sided with Gaddafi. So called revolutionary regimes South Africa, Algeria, Zimbabwe et al acted against their frequently touted revolutionary ideals and instead pursued a failed anti-revolution ary policy.
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sid
0 #6 Libyasid 2011-09-01 18:11
you keep talking too much and HOW about Morocco people keep sleeping and have a lot off drugs and enjoy but the border will be and remain close now and stop crying asking Libya and other Arab UN TO REOPEN for begging to open the border no way its Algeria country and we decide by the way Libya conflict not finished yet it just started time will tell Gadaffi will be back and sometime with some one very stronger and Morocco don't have nay revolution they like the kings and still the border WILL REMAIN CLOSE WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE
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Morocco 101
-1 #7 2 Mr. AlgerianMorocco 101 2011-09-01 21:02
Mr. Algerian, this article is about Algeria and not Morocco. It is about a sick Bouteflika who can not run the country and the Generals who are running ALgeria into a "hell hole". Wheter Morocco or Algeria like or not- we live next to each other and what happened in one country affect the other- You have not disputed any thing in the articel, b/c you know it is all true. MB is full of articles critical of Morocco and even the King!! We do not need to hear it from you to know our dirty laundry-
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Salem Rahal
-1 #8 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaSalem Rahal 2011-09-01 22:32
There has been a political leadership vacuum in Algeria since Boumediene passed away. Economically, there has been a vacuum since the mid sixties. Algeria is governed by a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, and sleezy politicians and military officers, who took power by force. Having said that, the same can be applied to all Arab countries including Morocco. This unhealthy and annoying rivalry between Algeria and Morocco need to stop...and decipher the real problems of both countries which are very similar. Both countries need to take example from Malaysia, a genuine moslem county, which has made leaps and bounds economically and is currently challenging the western powers. Let us be pragmatic and see the real problems....and not waste our time with nonsense!
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Morcelli
0 #9 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-01 23:10
Dear Salem,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Morocco cares about one thing and one thing only. The Sahara.
Algeria says that the Sahara is a UN problem. Algeria needs to follow through and let the UN handle the problem. If that will be the case, you and I know that Maghreb Arab Union will a matter of logistics.
Like I said time and again, Morocco is not immune, we have the elites who are sucking the blood out of every Moroccan and you have your problems as well, an oil producing country whose people still struggle to make a living, the world does not invest in Algeria because it is simply not safe or economically viable to do so. On the contrary Morocco does attract some investment, if we would to put our hands together, the sky is the limit, unfortunately the Algerians are telling their people that Morocco is the devil and they will be the lone beneficiary if we unite with them.
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borsa
0 #10 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in Algeriaborsa 2011-09-01 23:19
Algerian foreign policy have now made a humiliating U turn by now admitting they would recognise the Libyan NTC. But more significant for Morocco is the NTC statement that they will no longer fund and support the polisario seperatist movement based in Tindouf, Algeria.

Could this be the death knell for the polisario? Only time will tell but what is certain is that with a new regime in Libya a new era of Maghreb relations has begun and Algeria is looking increasingly isolated right now.
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borsa
0 #11 New political landscape in the Maghreb borsa 2011-09-01 23:40
@Salem Rahal

Morocco has made significant political and economic steps especially under the present King of Morocco, there are numerous occasions in which Morocco has offered the olive branch of peace to Algeria but the Algerian Mafia regime's obstinance is clear for all to see.

The Algerian Mafia regime still operates under a backdrop of 1970's Cold War politics which has massively hindered political and economic development in the Maghreb region. Now that Libya has retracted support for the polisario separatist rebels this leaves Algeria as the only country in the Maghreb who still provide political, and military support for them.

The political landscape in the Maghreb has now fundamentally changed. The ball is firmly in Algeria's court. The question is do they want to turn a new leaf in Maghreb relations or do they continue to pursue an antagonist and devisive policy in the Maghreb.
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Algerian
0 #12 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaAlgerian 2011-09-01 23:47
Morocco101,

The article based its assumption on what?? nothing nada, not even a single tangible fact or a media report.
MB assumption was built around a so called inconsistency of the Algerian position, a very naive and amateurish reasoning of the events.
On my previous post i posted with details the reasons behind the Algerian Position, nothing in politics is free and Algeria will have to deal with who ever governs Libya sooner or later, but as i have said everything in politics has a price and you can think of it as a chess game, and up to this moment Algeria has not recognized the rebels and as Medeleci said "Algeria was prepared to recognize Libya’s National Transitional Council (NTC) once it composed a “government representative of all regions.”
What did MB expect Algeria to do ??? to say NO i would never recognize the rebels? Again its called politics people.
As for me pointing out corruption issues in Morocco, i was just showing Mr MOrcelli that instead of repeating the old propaganda slogans about Algeria and its general, he should worry about his own backyard.

Morcelli,

Your point being?? Still waiting for your answer to all the points i raised in my previous post:-)
As for Khadafi and POLISARIO, Libya stopped actively supporting Polisario in the 80's after the deal Hassan2 and khadafi MADE that included 200 million dollars and stopping the support of Polisario and in return Libya got the Kika ( lIbyan opposition leader).that was later slaughter in Tripoli's Airport.
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Morcelli
0 #13 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-02 00:59
Dear Algerian,
This is my last post entertaining your imbecility. It turns out that the more I slaughtered you with facts, the more imbecile you get by going back to the borders, lbasri, la guerre des sable, bensliman, Bennani, nizar, ammari, toufiq..etc

I have never heard you saying a thing about Fassi fihri who is the current foreign minister or even the king of Morocco. I keep bringing out Bouteflika, you bring up lbasri and boumedienne. You know that there is nothing you can say about them in comparaison with your leaders. They are way ahead in thoughts than your current rulers.

Apparently, you still live in the past to prove your flawed points. If I were you, i would learn from your compatriot Salem. He makes a good point that Algeria and Morocco are in the same boat, they need to work with each other instead of against each other as in the case of Malaysia.
Now , go feel lonely and look for stuff to copy and paste from 1960’s and toss it on MB.

There are many others that I actually enjoy debating because they have current things to say and I feel that I actually learn something new every time, discussion with you dear Algerian is the same rubbish collected from the archives of APS (Algeria Presse Service). Sorry i am not interested Good Luck! MB, Please post this last one. Thanks! Morcelli.
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Algerian
+1 #14 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaAlgerian 2011-09-02 02:06
Morcelli,

More insults, how classy of you:-) I am not going to insult you back or call you names, because i am better than that, I just like and as a matter of fact i enjoy mopping the floor with your 5th grade arguments.
A word of advice, next time you try to debate someone try to focus more on facts and less on personal attacks and insults.
Again, i have responded to all the points you raised i dismantled your arguments one after the other, and idid not have to personally attack Your King, Fehri....etc. i was simply responding to your arguments.
Finally, and at the risk of repeating my self, calling me an imbecile, makes you look like someone who is out of arguments, some one who does not have enough intellectual sophistication to hold his own on a debate so he has resorts to name calling and insults.

Regards,
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Salem Rahal
0 #15 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaSalem Rahal 2011-09-02 04:03
I appreciate the feedback I did get from some of the readers. As I said earlier, I am not interested nor do I like the vitriol and accusations that each party is throwing at each other…We all need to take the “high road” and focus on the real problems facing each one of the two countries, which are by and large the same, namely, high unemployment, stifling corruption, no institutional transparency, lack of opportunity or advancement, etc..etc. in both Algeria and Morocco. If some want to use this very nice forum to vent their own personal frustrations (whatever they may be) and guide their criticism at the other country, they are not adding value to this dialogue. I think the great people of Algeria and Morocco deserve better….. I have given a good example of a Moslem country (Malaysia), from which both Algeria and Morocco can learn a great deal… We need to think big and propose tangible solutions
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Morcelli
0 #16 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-02 07:25
Salem,
With all due respect, We need to go back in order to move forward. Morocco is in dire need to solve the problem of the Sahara and it intends to offer a large autonomy to the Sahraouis, The Government of Algeria is placing obstacles to any solution floating out there. These are not accusations, these are facts.

With that being said, Morocco need to speed up their democracy efforts and one way of doing so is to even the field for everyone. We are sick and tired of the elites, we are sick that your name has to be related to some rich family to be considered for a job, a promotion, or even a termination.
Moroccans are sick and tired of being treated as dumb heads who will always need a royal emissary to guide them. They wake up in the morning knowing that today will be worse than yesterday. There is no hope basically for anyone who is not connected.
Poverty is rampant, the poor is getting poorer and the rich is getting richer.

I can only speak for Morocco, Algerians are much better fit to speak for their own and find solutions to their internal problems on their own.
I have a feeling that Algeria have much better resources to solve many of the problems. It has 150 billions in their coffers and Morocco is 40 billion under water.
Let's be honest money does not solve it all but it will certainly help.
The way I see the problem of both countries getting solved is not with opening borders or sending congratulatory messages every holiday. I see the problem getting solved by placing pressure on the rulers in both countries, instead of the rulers using us to go after each other.


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Nadir: Moroccan said
0 #17 ظهر الحق وزهق الباطلNadir: Moroccan said 2011-09-03 09:49
In the whole process of people rising against their corrupt regimes and leaders, we saw Tunisians, Libyans and Egyptians succeeding in dethroning their dictators.

In Morocco, we saw people succeeding in pushing further democratic changes in the country.

In the middle of this positive movement, Algerians are the only ones to being domesticated by the bat of their regime, and the only positive change they witnessed was the one happening outside their borders.

Jealousy is a killer, so is their support for Polisario. Neither Algeria nor Polisario is in a good position now after the Arab Spring
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Algerian
0 #18 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaAlgerian 2011-09-03 21:55
@NADIR
where were you guys in 1988? SO according to you MOroccans succeeded in implementing democratic changes in MOrocco right?
WHen we were struggling against Islamist terrorism in the 90's no one came to our help and as a matter of fact everyone was enjoying THE SHOW>
hassan2 said that the Algerian ISlamism is a good experience for the rest of the Zagreb countries. Algerians don't start things because its the fashionable things to do nowadays or because SARKO AND NATO Think its the appropriate thing to do.
If you feel so strongly about a revolution you are welcomed to start a real revolution in Morocco not have a new joke of a constitution and claim a success of democracy.
AS Algerians we just want to left alone, we do not need advices or lectures FROM Dario, NATO , Tunisian, Libyan, Egyptians and especially not from Moroccans.
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Mounirr
0 #19 Boutiflika's rise to ranch-owner of the Algerian estate is the most brilliant example of a Moroccan excelling abroad.Mounirr 2011-09-04 09:46
Algerians casting aspersions at Morocco are just plain oblivious to their own regime's no contact policy towards them but for the stroke of Policemens' batons. In other words at least Moroccans are gaining concessions incrementally and will only settle for eating their couscous, whereas Algerians are cooking couscous for branches of Qadhaffi's network. What is this country that deposed tyrants migrate to in order to find their rights and Algerians escape from in order to find theirs. Have I just described Algeria, that great neighbour, dazzling us with its civilisational splendour. Yes, it is her Algeria; Hannibal and Aisha will vouch for her free and democratic nature, so that settles it.

Algeria should democratically lead the Maghreb - and it would if its resources funded judicious projects and programs. However no such thought will take shape so long as this military regime exists.

I hope for the day when our region is lethally toxic to tyranny, injustice and stupidity .
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Morcelli
0 #20 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-04 12:21
The value of Algeria's currency reserves officially stood at $160 billion in 2010, it is probably now in the vicinity of 180-200 billions. The question that Algerians need to get an answer to is: where is the money? we are not talking about couple of billions we are talking about a huge amount of dinero. They have more money than entire North Africa combined, and what do we see? Algerians youth rioting for bread and sugar. Everyone knows that they purchases weapons for close to 12 billions and they hired 170,000 policemen. How will the rulers of Algeria help Algerians when the money that needs to be spent on bettering the life of their citizens is instead spent irresponsibly?
Any Algerian reading this will accurately think that Morocco is not out of the wood either, and I say to them, Amen, we are not, we have work to do and we have problems that are probably more difficult to solve due to our lack of oil resources and the main one if our flawed judicial system.
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haras
0 #21 Dear Algerian,haras 2011-09-04 15:06
I saw with interest your last post, i wonder what is it you mean by "WHen we were struggling against Islamist terrorism in the 90's no one came to our help" I hear Algerians say that a lot and frankly I don't get the meaning of it.

Do you mean that you wanted Morocco to send his army or security agents to help you against the islamists? wouldn't that be an interference in a sovereign nation's internal struggle? and does it make sense to you for us to intervene to help a military junta that have just deposited the legitimate president and suspended the democratic process?

Do you mean that Morocco should have taken a strong stand against the FIS, a legitimate political party who has just received 90% of the Algerian vote?

Please be more specific as to what you wanted us to do and how, because this doesn't make any sense to me, you blame us for taking the spectator seat, what else would you have preferred us to do, and more importantly, why?

You know, we tried helping you against France, and see how great it did turn out, and now you blame us for not helping you against Abbassi Madani and Belhaj? at least we didn't provide them with arms, training, shelter and diplomatic support, just like you did with the polisario, at least we didn't allow anybody to attack you from our territory, wand by the way, this is exactly the way you need to act if you want to be left alone....

as for the lectures, nobody is interested in giving you any, we know it's worthless....
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Algerian
0 #22 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaAlgerian 2011-09-04 23:45
Morecelli,

One simple question Morecelli, How does that concern you, how Algerians spend their money?? were you appointed by the Algerian people? As you must know the money you are talking about is the the Gov. of Algeria money as is the Algeria's oil and natural gas, IN OTHER WORDS its the money of the people. Is there mis management yes, is there corruption off course but at the end of the day its an Algerian problem and not a Moroccan problem, and for Algerians buying arms, its our money and we can burn it if we feel like it.
Have you ever heard of Office Chérifien des Phosphates (OCP, Arabic: المكتب الشريف للفوسفاط‎)? hope you are smart enough to get the point i am referring to , because i really don't want to elaborate, because at the end of the day its none of my business who control Morocco's phosphates.
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moroccan patriot
0 #23 Common Ground moroccan patriot 2011-09-05 10:00
Lets focus on the problems and solutions that can bring Morocco and Algeria forward. Morocco and Algeria have the same BIG problem : BAD LEADERSHIP. Morocco has a Makhzen that is steeped in Corruption and a ruling elite that has nothing but contempt for the average Moroccan and lines their pockets and foreign bank accounts with Billions in stolen money - putting themselves to sleep nightly with Prozac, Alcohol or some other prescription drug....

On the other hand there is Algeria, where the Generals and their own loser in charge "European pawn" Bouteflika has Billions in his countries coffers, and is all too happy to purchase useless tanks and planes, yet does not make smart military investments in the purchase of intercontinenta l missiles. Algeria needs to understand that it has a lot of money, and is sitting on a lot of oil, thus, it is a ripe target for theft, just like Libya was. The European and American colonization of Libya was not just to steal Libyan oil, in principal it was to go after the Money. Libya had close to 1 TRILLION stolen from it as a result of the CIA/NATO/Mossad invasion of Tripoli and the occupation of the rest of the country. I hope Algeria is spending as much money as possible on secretly developing Nuclear weapons, or at the very least hiding thousands of long range missiles in the desert which are capable of striking European cities.. because if they are not, I guarantee you that they will live to regret it. There are theives who have robbed their neighbor and then are looking very keenly at how to steal all of Algeria's wealth and if Algeria is not careful, NATO/Mossad/CIA will create a civil war there too!

We should remember that Morocco was initially colonized because it came to the aid of Algeria - and revealed itself to be a very easy target. Strength in this day and age lays in deterrent. Muslim nations that do not want to be taken over, need to have modern military machines. Their planes are useless. Their tanks are useless. The only useful items available are missiles.... long range missiles, particularly missiles that can be aimed at the capitals of countries that would come and murder your citizens. There is only one reason North Korea has not been attacked... and that is because of their deterrent capabilities... everyone knows that if N. Korea is attacked, There will be thousands of missiles reigning down on South Korea and tens of thousands of US casualties.

Arabs/Muslims need to revamp their military and economies.
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Morcelli
0 #24 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-05 12:39
It looks like Algeria gave safe passage from its territory to Niger, totally ignoring that Qaddafi is war criminal wanted to be tried for crime against humanity. Algeria is discarding International law and UN resolutions to give safe heaven to a dictator and his family. I thought that Algeria defends the Polisario under international law!!!!

I guess international does not apply to save the Libyan people in Algerian eyes but it does apply to save the polisario's rear. hummmm

Well, party is overt now, if anything Qaddafi succeeded in showing what Algeria is all about, lies and deception to the chagrin of the Algerian people.

" www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/06/us-libya-idUSTRE7810I820110906 "
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Farruk
0 #25 Enough is enough! War is the only solution and the right answer to Algeria.Farruk 2011-09-06 00:41
Morecelli,

agree with you bro we need Algerian’s Money, simply because we don’t have any and we need also to survive (Fessi Darwin).

After all we are neighbours. We can always find a reason to start a war and attack them one by one street by street house by house “get in get the money and get out” (Qadaffi).

We should start with raising awareness and blame them for something and find supporters to our cause and go public with it, before they find a way to protect their properties by buying more guns(Asad).

I am afraid this is the only solution. This is not a joke I believe we relay should to this.
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Morcelli
0 #26 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-06 06:10
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Let's not celebrate, Algeria has too much gaz/oil to tap into for the US or France to mess with. The West knows one thing and thing only: Business that will benefit its people no matter how dirty this benefit is.
Algeria broke international law by hosting the qaddafis and gave safe to Passge to Qaddafi into Niger without any reprimand whatsoever from any of the Powerful countries. Why is that? well you guessed it. it's called oil. The EU, Russia, China and the US sell everything to Algeria and have their biggest companies tapping into Algerian oil making billions here and there. Algerian people get none of that of course.
Going back to the NTC, the NTC needs Algeria more than the latter needs the NTC. The head of the NTC denied any involvement of the polisario in fighting the rebels to please the Algerians and in turn the Algerians will recognize the NTC. He went as far as saying " we should not accuse anyone" a clear message to Morocco that relied on bogus websites to ascertain that the Polisario are fighting side by side Qaddafi men.
Morocco is in no better position than it was the day before the fall of Tripoli.
As a matter fact, Qaddafi stopped arming the Polisario years ago, his son saif al islam visited M6 in Layoone to the big disappointment of the Generals and Bouteflika. A clear indication from Saif al islam that when he is in power, Saif al islam will side with M6.
As of today no high level NTC folks (Jibril or abdejalil)came out and said that the Sahara is Moroccan or at least the autonomy proposal is good.
Everyone is playing games, Morocco has been among the first to send a high level delegation to the rebels but has seen nothing in return.
There must be something that the Moroccan diplomacy is doing wrong, we have a tiny country like Qatar headed by some emir, scoring points after points with the rich and powerful and Morocco is trailing as usual.

At the end of the day and when the dust settles and we no longer hear qaddafi, you will see the NTC running to embrace the Algerians, well, I won't blame them, the NTC needs Algeria more than it needs Morocco, the 989 kilometres border they share is not something to ignore.
Good luck to the Moroccan diplomacy finding another way to stick it to Algeria because right now, Qatar is doing much better job.




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Morcelli
0 #27 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-07 00:07
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Let's not celebrate, Algeria has too much gaz/oil to tap into for the US or France to mess with. The West knows one thing and thing only: Business that will benefit its people no matter how dirty this benefit is.
Algeria broke international law by hosting the qaddafis and gave safe to Passge to Qaddafi into Niger without any reprimand whatsoever from any of the Powerful countries. Why is that? well you guessed it. it's called oil. The EU, Russia, China and the US sell everything to Algeria and have their biggest companies tapping into Algerian oil making billions here and there. Algerian people get none of that of course.
Going back to the NTC, the NTC needs Algeria more than the latter needs the NTC. The head of the NTC denied any involvement of the polisario in fighting the rebels to please the Algerians and in turn the Algerians will recognize the NTC. He went as far as saying " we should not accuse anyone" a clear message to Morocco that relied on bogus websites to ascertain that the Polisario are fighting side by side Qaddafi men.
Morocco is in no better position than it was the day before the fall of Tripoli.
As a matter fact, Qaddafi stopped arming the Polisario years ago, his son saif al islam visited M6 in Layoone to the big disappointment of the Generals and Bouteflika. A clear indication from Saif al islam that when he is in power, Saif al islam will side with M6.
As of today no high level NTC folks (Jibril or abdejalil)came out and said that the Sahara is Moroccan or at least the autonomy proposal is good.
Everyone is playing games, Morocco has been among the first to send a high level delegation to the rebels but has seen nothing in return.
There must be something that the Moroccan diplomacy is doing wrong, we have a tiny country like Qatar headed by some emir, scoring points after points with the rich and powerful and Morocco is trailing as usual.

At the end of the day and when the dust settles and we no longer hear qaddafi, you will see the NTC running to embrace the Algerians, well, I won't blame them, the NTC needs Algeria more than it needs Morocco, the 989 kilometres border they share is not something to ignore.
Good luck to the Moroccan diplomacy finding another way to stick it to Algeria because right now, Qatar is doing much better job.
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-1 #28 Getting our facts straightMoroccan student 2011-09-07 02:53
This is a struggle between Algeria and the NTC, Morocco doesn't have a dog in this fight.

NTC, not Morocco, accused Algeria of providing Gaddafi with weapons and mercenaries; the same NTC, again not Morocco, accused Polisario of joining Gaddafi's forces in their fight against the rebels. If the NTC change their story now, or some of them at least do, that doesn't put the responsibility on someone else.

For all I know, the give and take, has been going on for months between Algeria and the rebels. Algeria's Medelci and some of his colleagues in the government have been vocal against NATO intervention, they were also active in the Arab league and afterwords in the UN in trying to avoid any condemnation of Qaddafi and his regime. Even more, following NTC accusations, some politicians figures and the Algerian press started calling the NTC, among others, "NATO rebels".

Now that gaddafi is gone, and the NTC and libya are still around, Algerians are regretting their misreading of the whole thing, or maybe not, that is their problem not ours, it is their problem with the NTC and Libya, not with Morocco.

to Algerian,
I read your posts with a lot amusement, so "WHen we were struggling against Islamist terrorism in the 90's no one came to our help ", can you be more specific? should we have sent our army to Oran or Algiers? and since you raise the issue, help who against whom? the FIS or the generals?

It's indeed amasing, howt the same country who gave, allegedly, 2 millions of its people to gain, allegedly, its independence, is blaming others for not maintaining law and orders within its own borders....
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Sidmo
0 #29 NTC has made its friendly gesture towards Morocco Sidmo 2011-09-07 19:14
Spokesperson for Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) in London, Jomoa Al-Gamaty, said on August 31st that the future of the Sahara is only conceivable under Morocco's sovereignty.

This corresponds to Morocco's position. Although, that said, will it be possible for the Libyans to maintain this stance in the event of Libo-Algerian relations taking a turn for the best? I have two minds on this.
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Morcelli
0 #30 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Libya exposes leadership vacuum in AlgeriaMorcelli 2011-09-08 00:31
Sidmo,
I read that in MAP. I want to hear something from Abdel Jalil and Jibril the leader of the NTC not some dude that no one knows. Fassi Fifri stood next to Abdel Jalil in a press conference and he did not say a thing to back Morocco's autonomy while Fassi Fihri said many good things about the NTC and its leaders.
Remember that this Abdeljalil flatly denied any involvement of the Polisario in fighting with Qaddafi and to stick it to the Moroccans, he said " we should not accuse anyone".
A a nice gesture to the Algerians to play with. Abdel Jalil and Jibril are politicians, and they know how to play the game. Fassi Fihri should at least get something back for backing them, unfortunately, he did not.
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