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Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher Ross

Washington / Morocco News Board ---The Moroccan government lost confidence in the ability of Mr. Christopher Ross, the United Nations Secretary General (UNSG) personal envoy for Western Sahara, to mediate a solution to the Western Sahara conflict.

Rabat has been lobbying behind the scene to get Mr. Ross dismissed. Unconfirmed press stories out of the United Nations are reporting on an eminent announcement by the UNSG regarding Mr. Ross removal and his replacement by a German diplomat.

According to several press reports published in the Moroccan and Spanish media, Mr. Saad El Dine Othmani, Moroccan Minister of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation, asked Mr. Ban Ki-moon to sack his envoy to the Western Sahara.

During his visit with the UNSG , Mr. Othmani expressed " the Kingdom 's concerns over Mr. Ross' biases and attempts to distort the United Nations Mission for the Referendum in Western Sahara (MINURSO) mission" reported the Moroccan daily "Akhbar Al-Youm". The Moroccan diplomat relayed the same concerns about Mr. Ross's partiality during his visits to Washington and Paris.

Several Moroccan diplomatic sources have hinted that Mr. Ross has lost the confidence of the Moroccan side suggesting that his efforts as a UNSG envoy to the region have failed. Mr. Christopher Ross , an expert in the politics of the region, is a former U.S. ambassador in Algiers and was the director of the American Cultural Center in Fez, Morocco.

The point of contention seems to be Ross's latest report to the U.N. Security Council on the situation in the Western Sahara in which the former American diplomat accused the Moroccans of spying on the MUNIRSO.

However, Mr. Ross suggestion to expand the role of the MINURSO to include human rights monitoring in the Moroccan control Sahara drew the sharpest rebuke from the Moroccan diplomats in New York and Rabat.

The Moroccan government considers the touchy issue of expanding the role of the MINURSO to include human rights monitoring as an infringement in their sovereignty and a one sided approach to dealing with rights violation in the Moroccan controlled Sahara without addressing "sever" civil and human rights abuses in the Algeria controlled refugee camps in Tindouf, Algeria.

Mr. Ross has shown "irreparable" prejudice" by omitting from his latest report explicit language denouncing Algeria's refusal to let UNHCR scrutinize the nationalities and status of the refugees in the Tindouf camps, Moroccan diplomats contend. In a clear violation of United Nation chart and international humanitarian law, the Algerian government has warehoused unknown number of refugees in the Algerian desert without access to independent humanitarian organizations.

Since the beginning of Mr. Ross mission, the MINURSO has been reporting on the human rights situation on the Moroccan side without addressing the lack of freedom of movement, association and expression in the Algerian controlled Sahrawi refugee camps.

Moroccan officials are infuriated with Mr. Ross assertion that Sahrawi population in Laayoune, the Sahara largest city, are prohibited from talking to the UN personnel, while in fact, thousands of Sahrawi refugees in Tindouf have been barred from leaving their camps and traveling freely outside a military zone for the last thirty five years.

Moroccan diplomats find Mr. Ross report "hypocrite" considering that the MUNIRSO's mission is to help conduct a referendum on the final status of the Western Sahara and yet Mr. Ross could not get the Algerian government to agree to a census of the refuge population, a prerequisite to any plebiscite.

Christopher Ross replaced the Dutch diplomat Peter van Walsum whose mandate expired in 2009. Mr. van Walsum was let go after he qualified the Algerian position calling for the independence of the Western Sahara as unrealistic.

  By Hassan Masiky

 

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Morcelli
0 #1 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossMorcelli 2012-05-15 02:22
The Moroccan foreign minister wants to lobby against the impending naming of a German as Special Representative to MINURSO: Wolfgang Weisbrod-Weber.

This Mr.Ban is playing games and politics; to repay the Germans for removing his own envoy to Sierra Leone Michael von der Schulenburg, he is proposing another German to the Sahara Mission. Who will be paying the price for this politics? Morocco of course.

Now we have to wait and see if Othmani was effective in convincing Ban not to name this German dude.

Morocco could have fixed the problem without the UN or anyone else, it could have executed this autonomy without the UN. Israel never gives a dam about the UN. They do their thing and they get the support of the western world.

Morocco cannot rely on France to keep dodging those bullets at the UN. For as long as Morocco looks weak, the problem will never get solved.

Other than few poor African countries, Morocco has the support of the entire world. Are we going to keep those famine infested African countries erect obstacles to the Moroccan solution? In South Africa a woman gets raped every 3 minutes and a country with this record is causing problems to Morocco?

We have most of Europe, the US, and Arab league supporting the autonomy, why can't Morocco just go ahead and implement it? The obvious answer is that Morocco wants an autonomy on paper only and that's no good. That's also playing games and keeping the problem alive by embracing the Status quo. Bunch of thugs supported by Algeria are doing as they wish and Morocco is always playing defense.

Morocco is counting on Algeria to change heart and we all have seen the results of the latest "elections" in that country, the same old guards and more of them actually are now running the country. They said Algeria is immune to the Arab Spring, immune? one of the richest country in Africa and they have more slums than any country with those natural resources. Many non partisans observers place the turnout at 18% and Bouteflika and co, made it 42%. You can't help but feel sorry for the Algerian people who will never see the light, at least for the next 20-30 years.
They went as far as placing the leader of the polisario right next to Benkirane during the Funerals of Ben bella just to piss the Moroccan off.
If Morocco does not want to change course, it has only itself to blame and the Moroccan people will continue subsidizing mediocrity of their leaders.

Algeria succeeded in placing the ball in Morocco's court and put Morocco on the defensive, Morocco instead rely on France in the UN and using Moroccan tax payers money to send folks from Niger, Liberia, and Sierra Lione to Moroccan universities to buy the support of their government.

If that's all we can do, then it is pretty sad and we should feel sorry for meager capabilities of those in our government.
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riffi
0 #2 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher Rossriffi 2012-05-15 12:56
Again Algerian FLN and the generals will never change. Morocco should go and implement the autonomy at once,stop the negotiations,ta ke over the buffer zone military and piss off the algeriens nuckle head and play the game "catch me if you can" there is no such as maghrebins brotherhood it is an utopia. Moroco should say"Taza comes before Gaza"
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S Hassi
0 #3 Al Fassi failed policiesS Hassi 2012-05-15 19:21
This problem can only be solved if the King and his cronies allow the more experienced and higher educated Moroccans to deal with it . After years of AL Fassi failed policies Morocco hasnt gain anything . This is a Moroccan problem and out to be solved by all Moroccans then no one can bully us. As for the sahrawi ARAB republic these is one answer go back to Arabia and have there , the sahara is an Amazigh land, period
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Mister1979
0 #4 The solution for the Sahara is democracy....Mister1979 2012-05-15 19:40
The solution is very simpel. The Moroccan regime should give the Sahara real large autonomy and allow the people to create their own parties. If the Saharawis have their own democratic parties this will be the end of Polisario.
Morocco than can say to the world that the Saharawis govern their own business, elect their own leaders etc.

But I don't think this will happen, the Makhazen are not really interested in democracy or giving the Sahara real autonomy. That is why the world doesn't really support the Moroccan autonomy.
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Mister1979
0 #5 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossMister1979 2012-05-15 19:46
We should not blame Algeria, the problem is Morocco that is not able to convince the world.
In the past Spain had also problems with Canary Islands that wanted to become independent. Their solution was real autonomy. Check Baskenland the ETA has lost all its support, because the region has real autonomy..
North-Ireland conflict was solved by given the region real autonomy etc etc

Morocco is offering the Sahara a bit of small autonomy. They are not allowed to create their parties, elect a prime-minister etc. The plan is to devide the Sahara into 3 regions with autonomy.
So it isn't grazy that the world and also the Polisario don't support this plan. They should give the Sahara real autonomy, let them elect a parlement, a prime-minister and create their own parties.
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Algerian
0 #6 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossAlgerian 2012-05-16 00:03
Avec l’arrivée des socialistes au pouvoir, la position de la France sur le Sahara occidental va‑t‑elle évoluer ?  Jusque‑là, Paris s’est toujours aligné sur les positions de Rabat dans ce dossier sensible qui empoisonne les relations algéro‑marocain es. Un alignement qui s’est accentué durant les dernières années, sous la présidence de Nicolas Sarkozy. Mais cette position pourrait évoluer sous la gauche. 

En effet, dans une lettre datée du 31 mars 2011 et dont TSA a obtenu une copie, Jean‑Marc Ayrault, qui vient d’être nommé Premier ministre de François Hollande, qualifie, au nom des socialistes, d’« occupation  » la présence marocaine au Sahara occidental. « Les socialistes, dans leurs déclarations publiques s’en tiennent depuis l’occupation du territoire par le Maroc à une position privilégiant le respect du droit international et du droit à l’autodétermina tion des peuples colonisés », écrit M. Ayraut dans la lettre adressée à la présidente de l’Association des amis de la République arabe sahraouie et démocratique.
 
En mars 2011, Jean‑Marc Ayrault était président du groupe socialiste, radical, citoyen et divers gauche à l’Assemblée nationale et député‑maire de Nantes. À l’époque, il était déjà très proche de François Hollande. La lettre porte l’en‑tête de l’Assemblée nationale française.
 
Dans son courrier, le responsable socialiste rappelle les positions de son parti sur le conflit au Sahara occidental. « Tout doit être fait pour permettre aux Sahraouis d’exprimer librement leur volonté sous le contrôle des organisations internationales  », écrit‑il notamment. Il ajoute que le PS soutient « les efforts accomplis par le secrétaire général de l’ONU (…) pour un référendum d’autodétermina tion dans des conditions qui en garantissent la validité (…). Il ne saurait être question de s’écarter de ce plan. Seul un règlement juste et conforme au droit international peut ouvrir la voie à la paix ». M. Ayrault affirme enfin que « ce différend international concerne l’expression du droit des peuples à disposer d’eux‑mêmes. Il affecte des pays et des peuples amis ». 

Mama France won't be here to support you :-)
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Morcelli
0 #7 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossMorcelli 2012-05-16 00:36
This Algerian id**t copies and pastes without citing his sources.
He got his propaganda from http://www.tsa-algerie.com

"www.tsa-algerie.com/diplomatie/presence-marocaine-au-sahara-occidental-une-occupation-selon-jean-marc-ayrault_20765.html "

What do you expect from an Algerian newspaper?

These Algerians think that France is a dictatorship and that one person can affect the centuries old relationship between Morocco and France. Hollande is not Bouteflika.

Allow me to teach these Algerians a thing or two. The new prime minister of France is the servant of the French people and his job is to relay what France think about the conflict and not what HE THINKS about the conflict. He is no longer a Mayor, he is now a prome minister. Now go back to you propagandist media and tell them what I said and better yet forward what I said here. it's easier.

If you think that one dude run France as it is the case in France or in Morocco, then I feel sorry for you.

I know already what you are going to reply " I wipe the floor with you, I am smart, and I am intelligent". What a schmuck!
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Algerian
+1 #8 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossAlgerian 2012-05-16 00:58
What happened Morcelli? i thought you were a man of your word? didtn't you say that you will never debate me or answer my posts???

you said"Allow me to teach these Algerians a thing or two. The new prime minister of France is the servant of the French people and his job is to relay what France think about the conflict and not what HE THINKS about the conflict. He is no longer a Mayor, he is now a prome minister. Now go back to you propagandist media and tell them what I said and better yet forward what I said here. it's easier.

If you think that one dude run France as it is the case in France or in Morocco, then I feel sorry for you"

Well dear friend, the guy represents France and its interests:-) and was chosen by the French people to do whats right for the French people not whats right for the Moroccan people:-)

All what i was saying is that France's position in the Security council might....change or be more neutral and that might represent a great challenge to the Moroccan diplomacy.
As you you can i can see i can debate you in a very civil way without having to resort to insults and name calling just remember that Charles de gaulle said once "la france n'a pas d'amis mais elle defend ses interets"
Glad to see that you still remember that i can always mop the floor with your so called argument without having to insult you or call you names.
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Another Algerian
0 #9 For Sure Israel is a Model to Morocco ... To a certain extent though!Another Algerian 2012-05-16 01:05
Morcelli I agree with you, Israel is already a model to Morocco which means The Sahrawis could be identified by the same token with Palestinians. Moroccan colonialists share for sure the same immorality with Israel; however Israel has the means of its cynicism: it is a developed country, with a strong economy, army, research and education, and its diaspora could lobby anything in the USA and Europe. Morocco lacks all these assets. Comparaison n’est pas raison
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Morcelli
0 #10 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossMorcelli 2012-05-16 01:31
Algerian,
I'll give you some of my time on few conditions:
1- Cite your source when you copy and paste. People in MB are not dumb.
2- Stop the childish and girly comments such as Mop the floor, I am smart, I am this , I am that.
3- Have the courage to criticize your generals and your so called president as we do here, We are not afraid to say what's wrong with the Moroccan government.

Now you said: "the guy represents France and its interests" Guess what? I totally agree with you. Morocco is number one African customer of France, if that's not interest, I don't know what it is in Algerian dictionaries. Do you really think that this new prime minister will jeopardize France's billions of dollars business with Morocco?
Do yourself and us a favor and stop pasting rubbish from your news media.

Com'on dude don't let your hate blind you.
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riffi
0 #11 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher Rossriffi 2012-05-16 02:25
For your reading pleasure in french to close any gap or misunderstandin g:
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Le Parti socialiste (PS) français continuera à soutenir l'initiative marocaine d'autonomie au Sahara s'il est porté au pouvoir, a affirmé dimanche, la Première secrétaire de cette formation politique et ancienne ministre, Martine Aubry, en visite dans le Royaume.

«Nous avons toujours appuyé l'initiative marocaine d'autonomie (NDLR : au Sahara) et nous continuerons à le faire si on est au pouvoir», a indiqué Martine Aubry, qui était l'invitée du JT du soir de la deuxième chaîne «2M».

Pour le Parti socialiste français, le plan d'autonomie au Sahara, proposé par le Maroc, constitue «la solution la plus réaliste» pour poursuivre les pourparlers au niveau des Nations unies et trouver un règlement à ce conflit, a-t-elle affirmé.

Le 9e round des pourparlers informels au sujet du différend régional sur le Sahara se tient, du 11 au 13 mars à Manhasset, dans la banlieue de New York avec la participation du Maroc, de l'Algérie, de la Mauritanie et du «polisario».

Evoquant les relations bilatérales, Martine Aubry a estimé nécessaire de renforcer la coopération entre les deux pays. Au plan régional, elle a souligné l'importance de l'édification d'un Maghreb fort et de la concrétisation d'une véritable union entre les pays méditerranéens et européens.

En visite au Maroc depuis samedi, Martine Aubry a été reçue par S.M. le Roi Mohammed VI. Elle a eu également des entretiens avec des leaders de partis politiques et des représentants de la société civile.

Lors de son séjour dans le Royaume, qui s'achèvra mardi prochain, Mme Aubry tiendra une rencontre avec les membres de la communauté française établis au Maroc.
http://www.lematin.ma/express/Autonomie-au-Sahara_-Le-PS-francais-poursuivra-son-soutien/163777.html
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Algerian
0 #12 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossAlgerian 2012-05-16 02:26
First of all, just want to make clear that as an Algerian, i have nothing but respect toward Morocco and its people.
Ok a si Morcelli, lets facts check your points.

-You said"Cite your source when you copy and paste. People in MB are not dumb."
You are totally right, i should have posted a source to my article, and for that, i am sorry.
- you said "Stop the childish and girly comments such as Mop the floor, I am smart, I am this , I am that." what's up with the sexist comment? as for the mopping the floor expresion, ijust can't help up but to enjoy destroying your so called argument as you will see next.
-you said"Have the courage to criticize your generals and your so called president as we do here, We are not afraid to say what's wrong with the Moroe of the can government"
Well i have no problem criticizing my Gov. and our Generals i just don't like to do that in a Moroccan blog, i do that in Algerian blogs and forums among algerians.
I am here only to correct and answer some of the lies spread here by some posters and writers.

- you said"Guess what? I totally agree with you. Morocco is number one African customer of France, if that's not interest, I don't know what it is in Algerian dictionaries. Do you really think that this new prime minister will jeopardize France's billions of dollars business with Morocco?

Wrong again, Algeria is the first partner dear friend and as a serious debater that you pretend to be, you should have posted some sources to back up your claim, but ill do that for you.


"La France demeure le 1er fournisseur de l'Algérie avec plus de 6 milliards de dollars, son 4e client avec plus de 4,5 milliards de dollars , avec 15,7% de parts de marché, les échanges entre la France et l'Algérie ayant plus que triplé en douze ans. Les relations économiques et commerciales ont progressé de manière très rapide depuis 1999. L'Algérie est le premier partenaire commercial de la France en Afrique (Maghreb, Egypte comprise, et Afrique sub-saharienne) . Si l'on étend les comparaisons au reste du monde, l'Algérie est le troisième marché pour les exportations françaises hors pays de l'OCDE, après la Chine et la Russie. La moitié des exportations sont réalisées par des PME. L'Algérie est un partenaire stratégique en matière d'énergie pour l'Europe (concurrent de la Norvège et de la Russie) dont la France, comme le montre les bonnes relations entre Gaz de France, Total et Sonatrach. et ce, à travers Medgaz (Europe via Espagne) , Galsi (Europe via Italie) , les prévisions étant une exportation totale de 85 milliards de mètres cubes gazeux à l'horizon 2015 dont une grande fraction en direction de l'Europe"

http://www.lemaghrebdz.com/lire.php?id=35752

Between Algeria and Morocco you know which one has more $$$ to spare? Do you know which one of the two countries was asked by the IMF to contribute to its fund??

I hope you get the meaning of " mopping the floor with your argument"now.
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Morcelli
0 #13 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossMorcelli 2012-05-16 02:48
Algerian,

Some things never change. Because you do not follow my PRE-conditions.
I will not waste my time entertaining your imbecile debate and I hope my Moroccans friends here will do the same especially when you said that you only debate in Algerian blogs. I can assure you if your Algerian blogs were interesting, you will not be here a second. I've seen your garbage all over the web and it sucks dude. The 10 years of killing each other in your country took a toll on the Algerian population and now you have the FLN for another 50 years. I feel sorry for you and for your people.
There is a saying that I am sure you are familiar with: You get what you deserve.
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Morcelli
0 #14 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossMorcelli 2012-05-16 03:58
I remember when Obama first became a president, he asked Israel to stop the settlements and start negotiating with the Palestinians the 2-states thing. Everyone in the Muslim world started to dance and sing and thought that finally a US president who stands for justice. The Israelis being cool as they always have been no matter how many killing they committed gave Obama some time before their lobby stood up firm and ask Obama to change his language and stop meddling in Israeli affairs. Obama like a little dog with his tail between his legs went to AIPAC and apologized, and before that, He sent Hillary to tell the Jews that the US will never do anything that jeopardize Israel's grip on Palestine.

Morocco's case is a bit different because the Sahara is Moroccan until death do us part. Still there is some similarities here, Mr Hollande may start by playing it safe and be Extremely neutral to get some more business from the Algerians, until he realizes that being neutral is not enough for Morocco, he will also learn that dealing with Morocco is a lot easier than dealing with the butchers of Algeria. Morocco for instance backed France to overthrow Qaddafi, is backing France to get a rid of the butcher of Syria, and Morocco basically converge with France in all international issues, I really do not see how France will change towards dealing with Morocco in regard to the Sahara.
Morocco will never accept anything than full support from France in order to continue these constructive relationship. The King of Morocco is in France as we speak, this is not a pleasure trip. This is some serious business Mesdames et messieurs.

So please don't let some little creep illegally copy and paste to you that Morocco is done and France is now going to kiss the Algerians and hand them visas. We all know how much the Algerians love the French Visa including their president who without France, he would be dead from his stomach cancer. They had to take him in the middle of the night to a French military hospital to save his ass from rotting.

Regardless of how mediocre sometimes our government, we are still in a good place. One thing Hassan II did well is teach his children how to deal with the french.
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Yao!
0 #15 YOU MUST CHILL!!!!Yao! 2012-05-16 04:39
Morcelli & Algerian: May I suggest that you have someone arrange a ring and a couple of pair of gloves for you 2? What is this? the Jerry Springer show??? chill out guys... If the Algerian and the Moroccans could realize that they are the same people then we would not be here first place. Let's stop the hate. We are brothers c'mon folks!!! know what? when you ask foreign secretaries of France, US, and Spain about their thoughts on the western Sahara issue their reply is always the same: "the western Sahara issue is an affair between Morocco and Algeria" Guess they knew too well that Moroccans and Algerian would never agree not to disagree as you 2 have clearly demonstrated on this board. Here is a solution: Wipe out the name Morocco, Wipe out the name Algeria, Combine the 2 and call it "Le Grand Maghreb" WE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE: Otherwise this is a never ending road and the western world will always be glad to use the western sahara to whip Morocco and Algeria into shape when they "miss-behave".. .forever...
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man en blanc
0 #16 Yao! Algeria : the seventies called, they want their election shenanigans back!man en blanc 2012-05-16 05:14
WOW! The FLN swept up the majority of seats, which spells doom for any hope for a Sahara resolution.
I can't tell if the elections were rigged or Algerians are truly spooked by anything with "ISLAM" in its name.
At any rate, it does go against the trend that emerged from the Arab Spring.
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Toufik
0 #17 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossToufik 2012-05-16 05:53
Mister1979 said:

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We should not blame Algeria, the problem is Morocco that is not able to convince the world.


Once Algeria convince the world That Algiers is Algerian, and France convinces the world Paris is French, then we will think about convincing the world the Sahara is Moroccan. And until that happen the Sahara is a Moroccan territory despite Algeria best efforts and whether Algeria likes it or not.
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Toufik
0 #18 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossToufik 2012-05-16 06:28
Algerian said:

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First of all, just want to make clear that as an Algerian, i have nothing but respect toward Morocco and its people.


Respect for Moroccans starts by respecting their territorial integrity, their wishes, opinions and land.
Let me assure you that for the next 1000 years the Algerian Generalismo will be barking all the way and supporting the lost case of Polisario and nothing will change. The Sahara is in Morocco and Morocco is in the Sahara. If you don't like it, do whatever you think you are capable of.

Algerian, don't you think that Algeria is the last country in the world to defend self determination?
Don't you think the hypocrisy stinks?
Imagine Algeria defending democracy and self determination? lol. It is like a wolf pretending to be the best protector of sheep. Or a rat who want to become the world's guardian of cheese.
Algeria defends democracy ???? hahahahahaha
Do you really believe this?
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Morcelli
0 #19 Morocco got it right this timeMorcelli 2012-05-17 05:11
Morocco said it had lost confidence in Christopher Ross, saying that he made “biased and unbalanced” decisions concerning the Moroccan sahara. Before that, Othmani met William Burns and Ban and told them that Morocco no longer wants to deal with this dude. Burns (The US) and Ban (the UN) both told Othmani that they still support Mr. Ross.

Morocco has none of that and sent a clear message to the US, the UN, and for those who say France under Hollande, that anyone and I mean ANYONE who tries to mess with the sacred Moroccan issue, will get rejected and shown the door. When it comes to the Sahara, Morocco does not give a dam if they lose the support of anyone. It is simple, Morocco is in its Sahara and in the Sahara it will stay.

I totally agree with the Moroccan government. They have to unequivocally be FIRM. The butchers of North Africa will take advantage on any weakness Morocco may exhibit.

If your check their government news media portal APS and others, you will see that they are already dancing and singing, hoping that Morocco shoot itself in the foot with the statement against Ross.

I rarely give credit to those running Morocco but this time, they get my Kudos. This is certainly a call from the King and as we all know, no one messes with kings.

We keep the Sahara, they keep the FLN. :-)

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Toufik
0 #20 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossToufik 2012-05-17 05:26
We keep the Sahara, they keep the FLN.

No. We keep the Sahara, they keep the Polisario. Can't be fairer than that.
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morcelli
0 #21 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher Rossmorcelli 2012-05-17 09:48
You want to know how evil are the butchers of North Africa? they even publish in their government news portal the weekly number of road casualties and injuries that took place in Morocco. They want to show their people how "bad" the situation in Morocco. They never publish their own stats. So much for the FLN. So creative!!!!!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen, we are dealing with the worst devilish regime in this planet. This how low the Algerians can get. They were publishing the F20 movement protest on a daily basis, and when that movement died, now they are posting road accidents.
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morcelli
0 #22 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher Rossmorcelli 2012-05-19 12:29
As I predicted " Le porte-parole du département français des Affaires étrangères, Bernard Valero, a déclaré vendredi que la France continuait à “appuyer le plan d’autonomie marocain”, qualifié de seule proposition réaliste aujourd’hui sur la table des négociations et qui constitue la base sérieuse et crédible d'une solution dans le cadre des Nations unies. " Liberte'.

Don't let that little creep copy and paste rubbish from their news media telling us that France under Hollande is done with Morocco.
If the Algerians were smart, the billions that we hand France we could be spending it in Algeria and vice versa.

Now that France made it clear to the butchers of North Africa that it will always support Morocco regarding its territorial integrity, I am predicting that the butchers will attack Hollande and will ask France to apologize for the killing they have committed during the colonization.

Ladies and gentlemen. Algerian Money will never beat le savoir faire marocain mastered and thought by HII. :-) That's the reason Algerians have problems mostly with the Monarchy.



As I said, Hassan did one thing well, he did a good job raising his children to deal with the French in a civilized way and Morocco benefits from it.
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morcelli
0 #23 Seule et realistemorcelli 2012-05-20 00:42
Quai d’Orsay said: «la seule proposition réaliste aujourd'hui sur la table des négociations»
This statement shows that France under Hollande went even further than his predecessor
The only proposition means that France does not even consider what the others are trying to bring to the table.
The proposition is realistic according to the Statement. This means that Algeria wanting to make the Moroccan Sahara an independent state is simply hot air. France coming out with this statement so quickly is to assure the Moroccans that France will always support the legitimacy of the Moroccan cause and to put to rest the rumors and the propaganda spread out by Algeria.
It looks to me that the Algerians will continue on attacking France until the next French presidential elections and hope for another French president to side with the dream of the butchers of North Africa who killed a quarter million of their own. These butchers who placed the FLN on top to the dismay of the Algerian people.
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Algerian
0 #24 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossAlgerian 2012-05-20 02:30
Well dear morcelli, i like your analogy,glad to see you so happy to hear that France is saying that The territory should remain part of Morocco.

The sad part is that you need to hear France backing up your claims for you to get optimistic about the issue lets just hope France will have the same position in regard of Septa, Melila,maadnous island and the Canary for you to get excited about getting back what actually belongs to Morocco.
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morcelli
+1 #25 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher Rossmorcelli 2012-05-20 10:10
The Butchers of North Africa succeeded in indoctrinating their people into believing that France is the friend of Israel, and friend of Morocco and therefore the enemy of Algeria.
The Algerians keep talking about the trap of the Palestinians, I want to know what Algeria did to help them out. Morocco has done more for the Palestinians than Algeria could dream of.
It's is amazing to me how the Algerians with their big nif have fallen into the ruse of their butchers. It just does not makes sense to me that an entire population except a very small minority was so easily fooled thinking that Morocco, Israel, and France are ganging up on Algeria. I am not making this up, every single Algerian believe in his heart that this is a fact. Don't trust the " we are brothers" thing. Because we are not. I don't know of any brother in this planet who wants cause harm to his brother.
Mohammed VI sent El Himma to Warda's funeral in hope that Algerians understand that we are not those who the butchers want them to believe. He is sending a message to the Algerian people not to the butchers, he knows the butchers for 49 years, he's not fooled into thinking that they will change. Every good will the king sends, he sends it to the Algerian people, to show them that their butchers are simply bad butchers.
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man en blanc
0 #26 Sebta, Mellila, The Canaries, The Sahara, Algeciras, Oran, Algeria…etc. The Moroccan map extends from Tangiers to St Louis into the African Atlantic South-West, and from Tangiers to Benghazi into la man en blanc 2012-05-20 10:43
Algeria is not even a country. It's an afterthought. It's a sick joke that the French wedged between Morocco and Egypt.
Capisce, Algerians?
The whole Arab world is going into some kind of transformation as we speak! The price that some democracy-starv ed innocent Muslim Arabs is so steep that one must pray for the Israelis compassion. TRUE!
At least in Morocco, we managed to stir things up, we even had a movement. The 20th February something or something. Baby steps. We'll see.
And what did the Algerian s do? They voted the same dangerous nonentity in, by reelecting the holograms of the generals they call the FLN! They must be holograms at this point. They can't be real for God sake! Only holograms can live forever! Only holograms can rule a "nation" of zombies in perpetuity ! And yet. Not a pip from the populace after the FLN just about acquired every single seat in the cesspool they call parliament? Who represented Tindouf? Don't look at us , we divorced your ample derriere long time ago, and yes, you won custody of the bastard kids. Or as you, affectionally call them, the Polisario.
They're yours, baby.

Now, Get A revolution, will you?
And call us in the morning, assuming that you remember what mornings look like. I can help you there : there's a great café south of Ain Diab, a Kahwa M'harssa, les mots croises de l'opinion, it just doesn't get better than that!
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Toufik
0 #27 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossToufik 2012-05-20 10:54
Algerian,
What is wrong if France is backing Morocco?
Don't forget that:
1) you systems of education, justice, commerce,admin, politics etc are french
2) In your normal talking even among yourselves you speak one Arabic word and 10 in french
3) your very existence and recent history is 100% french
4) The boundaries of what you call Algeria are french made.
5) The most important thing for a country is Identity, and yours is between Arabic, Amazegh, French, African, "Algerian", and god knows what else. You need a cultural identity. Don't you?
6) There are no people in North Africa more FRENCH than the Algerians. Can you deny that?


But, Mabrook 3alikom the Polisario
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morcelli
0 #28 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher Rossmorcelli 2012-05-20 11:12
Man en blanc,
You are making me homesick again with your " there's a great café south of Ain Diab, a Kahwa M'harssa, les mots croises de l'opinion, it just doesn't get better than that! "

Let me add to that the smell of the ocean mixed with Mobilete and Peugeot 103 smokes and the siroor and gardiyan who come up with stories every single morning.

Man!!! I can't wait until I retire in the next 30 years or so :-)!
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Toufik
0 #29 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossToufik 2012-05-20 14:02
Algerian said:
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Well dear morcelli, i like your analogy,glad to see you so happy to hear that France is saying that The territory should remain part of Morocco.


The territory will remain part of Morocco with or without France help. Now get over it and deal with your Polisario freinds. Recently The USA mentioned resettling the Tindouf refugees. So be a man and distribute them in your Algerian cities. They are only 60000. You are 35 millions, you can easily absorb them.
Get this: There will never be a referendum and there will never be a western sahara.
the moment you algerians understand this and convince yourselves the war against Morocco is futile and that you will never ever win, then we can talk and be friends again.
otherwise you have the Polisario. Mabrook
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S Hassi
0 #30 Menor AlgerianoS Hassi 2012-05-20 22:05
You should start to worry , The pentagon has a ready map for Algeria ( split into 5 independent regions ) waiting for when the troubles start knowing that the Algerian central gov will find it impossible to control a vast country !!!!and this will make it very easy to split like a hot bassara. As for your fortunes ( oil )the future is bleak too , you only have 20 years left of it , Then what ? . We dont wish you any harm but you have been pushing your luck and you should quite while you ahead . No one in Morocco even the King himself can sign the Sahara away
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Algerian
0 #31 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher RossAlgerian 2012-05-21 00:39
@ man in blan,
you said"Sebta, Mellila, The Canaries, The Sahara, Algeciras, Oran, Algeria…etc. The Moroccan map extends from Tangiers to St Louis into the African Atlantic South-West, and from Tangiers to Benghazi into la
Algeria is not even a country. It's an afterthought. It's a sick joke that the French wedged between Morocco and Egypt.
Capisce, Algerians? "
Well dear friend, we all still remember what happened in 1963, a year after our independence, back when we did not even have a regular army, our Moroccan brothers attacked us hoping to score some land and we still managed to repeal you and even occupied Figig which is in Moroccan territory as attested by your king starting at 1:20
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4z5l3_guerre-des-sable-l-agresseur-et-l-a_news
We do know that a lot of Moroccan are still day dreaming about the great Maghrib......et c. I will tell you the same thing Ben bella told Hassan 2 in 1963.
" Le Maroc veut s'annexer une portion de l'Algérie ? Eh bien, qu'il vienne la prendre ! Il verra comment il y sera reçu..."

@ Hassi,
You Said"You should start to worry , The pentagon has a ready map for Algeria ( split into 5 independent regions ) waiting for when the troubles start knowing that the Algerian central gov will find it impossible to control a vast country !!!!and this will make it very easy to split like a hot bassara. As for your fortunes ( oil )the future is bleak too , you only have 20 years left of it , Then what "

Thank you for the info, so do you have a special access to the Pentagon plan? or are you talking out of...........
what i don't get is that some Moroccans keep talking about Algeria this and Algeria that and forget to talk about their own land how about the very humiliating episode of the Maadnous Island, a rock few yards from your coasts, that you could not control and your gendarmes were pick up by the Spaniards, while your army stood there and watched? or how about Speta, Melila, Canary Islands.........etc.
Just remember that Algeria controls every inch of its land plus.......sum. and there is not a thing you guys can do about it.
As a matter of fact, if The sahara was such an integral part of your kingdom, why you gave half of it to Mauritania? why you signed a cease fire that stipulated that independence is an option? why you did not fight till the end, why you built a wall to hide behind it

I see a lot of posters keep criticizing the Algerian system.....etc. As if Morocco is a Jeffersonian Democracy, as if the new Gov. has the ultimate power to run things, we all have access to what wikileakes had to say about the stat of corruption among all level of your Gov. as they say in French "balaye devant ta porte avant de regarder la saleté qui traîne devant celle de ton voisin"

@Toufik,

Go read some history dear friend and look up "The Algerian revolution".
Just remember that Algeria was not a colony and not part of the department of colonies as was Tunisia, Morocco and the rest of Africa, we were an integral part of France under the authority of the interior ministry and if wanted to be French, why do you think we gave over a million Chahid to be free.
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Toufik
0 #32 To AlgerianToufik 2012-05-21 04:02
Thank you for the info, so do you have a special access to the Pentagon plan? or are you talking out of...........
what i don't get is that some Moroccans keep talking about Algeria this and Algeria that and forget to talk about their own land how about the very humiliating episode of the Maadnous Island, a rock few yards from your coasts, that you could not control and your gendarmes were pick up by the Spaniards, while your army stood there and watched? or how about Speta, Melila, Canary Islands........ .etc.


Because our Algerian brothers helped delay Moroccan moves in the north by creating a war front for us in the south. Do you want us to open another one with Spain in the north?
We are dealing with the southern front first.
In an ideal world Algeria would be helping Morocco recover its territories from the spaniards.
But no. We lost an army At Isly defending Algeria. We provided the most important base for the revolution. We lost territory to our brothers (eastern Algeria) and what we get in return: The Polisario and terrorism.
But hey, what shall we expect from a regime that killed 200000 of its own people?
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riffi
0 #33 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Western Sahara: Concerns About Christopher Rossriffi 2012-05-21 06:38
We are not going nowhere a big project is in the making for the Moroccan Sahara. Watch it. And for Algerian the Moroccans are working ,developing and creating and you keep up talking about your past history and revolution and subsidizing everything.

youtu.be/1dO-j4myMXQ
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Kenitra
0 #34 Moroccan SaharaKenitra 2012-05-23 12:21
The Sahara is Moroccan. Period
It's sad to see our Algerian brothers compare Morocco to Israel....then again, they are Algerians
I just watched a documentary called "Algeria: The revolution that never was" below is the link. All I can say is: just tackle your OWN problems, don't worry about Polisario.
It amazes me how a country rich like Algeria is still lagging wayyyyy behind in terms of infrastructure, education, employment and so on...
I tell this Algerian fellow to ask his government that gets 200 billion dollars from oil each year to find Algerians jobs instead of talking about Morocco.
Lah yhdihom


http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2012/05/2012516145457232336.html
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