Divergences between Algeria and Washington On National Security
- HASSAN MASIKY
- 10/19/12
Washington / Morocco News Board--- Divergence of views between Algiers and Washington on several key topics that affect the national security of the United States make a strategic alliance between Algeria and the United States hard to succeed. Thus, the opening of the first session of the strategic dialogue between Algeria and the United States, which started this Friday in the nation’s capital, should be an occasion to raise the question around the value of such overtures toward countries that oppose American interests overseas.
Thus, the opening of the first session of the strategic dialogue between Algeria and the United States, which started this Friday in the nation’s capital, should be an occasion to raise the question around the value of such overtures toward countries that oppose American interests overseas.
Despite attempts by the two countries to portray certain normalcy in their ties, Algeria’s positions in Libya, Syria, Mali and the Western Sahara are often at odds with American interests. The absence of the Algerian foreign minister during this meeting coupled with the American representation at the Undersecretary of State level is an indication of a malaise in the American-Algerian relations.
Since President Bouteflika’s last government shake up, Algeria's foreign minister Mourad Medelci has been keeping a low profile on the international scene. During a recent high profile visit to the Sahel, Abdelkader Messahel, the Minister in charge of Maghreb and African Affairs, and high-ranking intelligence officers headed an important Algerian delegation. At a time when Algeria looks isolated in North Africa and the Sahel, the absence of the Algerian chief diplomat raises a red flag and further weakens an Algerian foreign policy mired in contradictions.
In Libya, Algeria, that supported Kaddafi until his death, has been lukewarm to the new Libyan government. The Algerian media continue to criticize NATO actions in Libya and refer to the new Libyan leadership as a puppet of the West. This Algerian attitude is complicating American efforts to assist the Libyan society in its transition to political normalcy and democracy.
The disagreements between Algeria and the United States are more pronounced on Syria. While the Algerian government has been voiceless on its denouncement of Assad’s massacres against the Syrian people, the American administration is actively calling for the removal of Bashar. In fact, the Algerian government position in the Syrian conflict is identical to Iran’s Mullahs and squarely in defiance of the U.S. and the European Union anti-Assad position.
The insecurity in the Sahel is fast becoming a source of friction between Algiers and its neighbors. While the international community is moving toward a military intervention in Mali, Algeria’s “no-foreign military intervention” policy seems weak and irrelevant. Unlike the Algerian position, the American government is open to all options, including a military intervention, to root out armed groups from Northern Mali. The Algerian foreign ministry continues to send emissaries to Sahel countries hoping “to better explain and clarify” Algeria’s position in the Malian crisis.
In the Western Sahara conflict, the American administration pro-Morocco position as stated by Mrs. Clinton is another point of disagreement between Algeria and the American administration. Washington is firmly behind Morocco’s Local Autonomy for the Sahara, while Algeria continues to support and encourage the Western Sahara separatists of the Polisario Front. The Americans view the Algerian support of the Polisario as a source of insecurity that encourages the spread of terrorism in the region.
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Give this one to Algeria —
2012-10-19 16:25
While Algeria's motive is obvious and consisted I might add, I wonder what is it that the US is after this strategic alliance when they know for the get go that with Algeria they do not look eye to eye.
Is it oil? or is it that the US want to use Algeria to do its dirty work in the Sahel, better yet, is it some sort of game that the US is playing by supporting Morocco and making friendship with Algeria?
I'll give it to Algeria on this one, they simply do not budge, look at the Moroccans, they said that Christopher Ross is "biased and unbalanced" and now he'll be touring the region next week. I thought they said that will never work with him. Algeria will never say something and do something else, at least when when it comes to supporting the Polisario.
Here is what Algeria said today to Washington " " l’Algérie continue de croire, avec force, qu’il ne peut y avoir de solution sans l’exercice du droit à l’autodétermina tion du peuple sahraoui, droit reconnu et réaffirmé par les Nations Unies et le Conseil de sécurité".
Is it oil? or is it that the US want to use Algeria to do its dirty work in the Sahel, better yet, is it some sort of game that the US is playing by supporting Morocco and making friendship with Algeria?
I'll give it to Algeria on this one, they simply do not budge, look at the Moroccans, they said that Christopher Ross is "biased and unbalanced" and now he'll be touring the region next week. I thought they said that will never work with him. Algeria will never say something and do something else, at least when when it comes to supporting the Polisario.
Here is what Algeria said today to Washington " " l’Algérie continue de croire, avec force, qu’il ne peut y avoir de solution sans l’exercice du droit à l’autodétermina tion du peuple sahraoui, droit reconnu et réaffirmé par les Nations Unies et le Conseil de sécurité".
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The Syrian and Algerian regimes are both the same grade —
2012-10-19 16:37
Until America condemns Algeria's support for the Polisario unequivocally and openly, it cannot be said that Washington supports Morocco's autonomy proposal. Until Washington condemns Algeria's visceral role in the region's destabilisation , to me, it is indistinguishab le from those capitals which oscillate between the Moroccan camp and the Algerian camp in accordance to bribes.
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The Polisario is not the problem, it is just a nuissance —
2012-10-19 22:31
Quoting Amr:
I think we should refrain from making statement that do not make any sens. America has no reason to condemn the Polisario. The polisario are recognized by the US as the sole representative of the Sahraouis, and that is why the US host the Polisario-Moroc co talk in Manhasset, NY. The Polisario have more representatives on Capitol hill than Morocco itself. The US host the
Many US congress men and women support the polisario and have been doing so for decades.
It is not in the US national interest of the US to see the Sahara conflict resolved, Morocco just purchased $2.5 billions of US weaponry including used F16 thanks to the conflict that Morocco would not have purchased if not for the conflict.
If anything, The US are grateful to the Polisario who keep US workers employed at Lockeed Martins making jets and bombs for Morocco.
Anything that helps the US economy is welcome news for any US administration.
The only way the Sahara conflict gets resolved is through direct negotiations between Algeria and Morocco, and the only way such a thing could happen is if the current rulers of Algeria are gone, something similar to what happen to Qaddafi and his gang.
Until America condemns Algeria's support for the Polisario unequivocally and openly, it cannot be said that Washington supports Morocco's autonomy proposal. Until Washington condemns Algeria's visceral role in the region's destabilisation, to me, it is indistinguishable from those capitals which oscillate between the Moroccan camp and the Algerian camp in accordance to bribes.
I think we should refrain from making statement that do not make any sens. America has no reason to condemn the Polisario. The polisario are recognized by the US as the sole representative of the Sahraouis, and that is why the US host the Polisario-Moroc co talk in Manhasset, NY. The Polisario have more representatives on Capitol hill than Morocco itself. The US host the
Many US congress men and women support the polisario and have been doing so for decades.
It is not in the US national interest of the US to see the Sahara conflict resolved, Morocco just purchased $2.5 billions of US weaponry including used F16 thanks to the conflict that Morocco would not have purchased if not for the conflict.
If anything, The US are grateful to the Polisario who keep US workers employed at Lockeed Martins making jets and bombs for Morocco.
Anything that helps the US economy is welcome news for any US administration.
The only way the Sahara conflict gets resolved is through direct negotiations between Algeria and Morocco, and the only way such a thing could happen is if the current rulers of Algeria are gone, something similar to what happen to Qaddafi and his gang.
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RE: Divergences between Algeria and Washington On National Security —
2012-10-20 12:41
Come on Mr. Masikey, i do understand your hatred toward Algeria, but more objectivity won't hurt you.
you said "In Libya, Algeria, that supported Kaddafi until his death, has been lukewarm to the new Libyan government. The Algerian media continue to criticize NATO actions in Libya and refer to the new Libyan leadership as a puppet of the West. This Algerian attitude is complicating American efforts to assist the Libyan society in its transition to political normalcy and democracy"
Well according to Gen. Ham, the head of the Africom "Thank you for that question. I have also seen those reports, some claiming that fighters have moved from Algeria to Libya. I will be as clear as I can possibly be. I have seen absolutely no reporting that indicates that Algeria is supporting the movement of fighters to Libya. To the contrary, Algeria has been supportive and strongly so of regional security, and a very strong effort in countering terrorism and the illegal flow of fighters and weapons."
You said"he insecurity in the Sahel is fast becoming a source of friction between Algiers and its neighbors. While the international community is moving toward a military intervention in Mali, Algeria’s “no-foreign military intervention” policy seems weak and irrelevant. Unlike the Algerian position, the American government is open to all options,"
"GEN. HAM: One of the key aspects of seeking a resolution to the security challenges in northern Mali will be to separate the terrorist organizations from non-terrorist organizations. We have had discussions - I have had discussions during my visits here to Algeria, to include today, to try to gain a better understanding of the various groups that are acting in northern Mali.
As is obvious to you, we are not from this region. We do not have the same understanding of the various actors in the region. And so we are trying to better understand what is the role of Ansar Dine, what is the role of MUJAO, what is the role of MNLA in the northern Mali context. So when you ask if a - if a specific group is a terrorist organization or not, I have to respond that the United States has a very formal process to make that determination.
To your - to your second - to your second question, the loss of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans is indeed very tragic, but as is the case in every country, it is the host nation's responsibility to provide security for the diplomatic presence of other nations, and I would again commend the government of Algeria for providing superb security for our diplomatic presence here in Algeria."
You said "In the Western Sahara conflict, the American administration pro-Morocco position as stated by Mrs. Clinton is another point of disagreement between Algeria and the American administration. Washington is firmly behind Morocco’s Local Autonomy for the Sahara, while Algeria continues to support and encourage the Western Sahara separatists of the Polisario Front. The Americans view the Algerian support of the Polisario as a source of insecurity that encourages the spread of terrorism in the region."
Again,Clinton did say that the Moroccan self- govern. option is a good option but it did not say its the only option.
How about the Ross episode, what do you think about the refusal of the US. to support the Moroccan Demand to fire mr. Rooss, well guess what Ross is still here and he will be in the region sometimes next month and Morocco will have to welcome him with open arms:)
Here is an interesting article posted in the Huffington post about......"evi l" Algeria
huffingtonpost.com/.../...
you said "In Libya, Algeria, that supported Kaddafi until his death, has been lukewarm to the new Libyan government. The Algerian media continue to criticize NATO actions in Libya and refer to the new Libyan leadership as a puppet of the West. This Algerian attitude is complicating American efforts to assist the Libyan society in its transition to political normalcy and democracy"
Well according to Gen. Ham, the head of the Africom "Thank you for that question. I have also seen those reports, some claiming that fighters have moved from Algeria to Libya. I will be as clear as I can possibly be. I have seen absolutely no reporting that indicates that Algeria is supporting the movement of fighters to Libya. To the contrary, Algeria has been supportive and strongly so of regional security, and a very strong effort in countering terrorism and the illegal flow of fighters and weapons."
You said"he insecurity in the Sahel is fast becoming a source of friction between Algiers and its neighbors. While the international community is moving toward a military intervention in Mali, Algeria’s “no-foreign military intervention” policy seems weak and irrelevant. Unlike the Algerian position, the American government is open to all options,"
"GEN. HAM: One of the key aspects of seeking a resolution to the security challenges in northern Mali will be to separate the terrorist organizations from non-terrorist organizations. We have had discussions - I have had discussions during my visits here to Algeria, to include today, to try to gain a better understanding of the various groups that are acting in northern Mali.
As is obvious to you, we are not from this region. We do not have the same understanding of the various actors in the region. And so we are trying to better understand what is the role of Ansar Dine, what is the role of MUJAO, what is the role of MNLA in the northern Mali context. So when you ask if a - if a specific group is a terrorist organization or not, I have to respond that the United States has a very formal process to make that determination.
To your - to your second - to your second question, the loss of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans is indeed very tragic, but as is the case in every country, it is the host nation's responsibility to provide security for the diplomatic presence of other nations, and I would again commend the government of Algeria for providing superb security for our diplomatic presence here in Algeria."
You said "In the Western Sahara conflict, the American administration pro-Morocco position as stated by Mrs. Clinton is another point of disagreement between Algeria and the American administration. Washington is firmly behind Morocco’s Local Autonomy for the Sahara, while Algeria continues to support and encourage the Western Sahara separatists of the Polisario Front. The Americans view the Algerian support of the Polisario as a source of insecurity that encourages the spread of terrorism in the region."
Again,Clinton did say that the Moroccan self- govern. option is a good option but it did not say its the only option.
How about the Ross episode, what do you think about the refusal of the US. to support the Moroccan Demand to fire mr. Rooss, well guess what Ross is still here and he will be in the region sometimes next month and Morocco will have to welcome him with open arms:)
Here is an interesting article posted in the Huffington post about......"evi l" Algeria
huffingtonpost.com/.../...
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Sick of this Crap. Endless Crap! —
2012-10-20 20:31
For Hassan and the seven or so, of you who still believe that the Sahara is an actual issue, and that Algeria is the smelly meanie, and that Spain is the royal pain, and Togo's support is a go, and we Moroccans have a just cause if only America would step in and recognize how nice we are. And you know who you are. I have news for you : America couldn't care less about your sleazy Arab shenanigans! America prospered when isolationism was the alpha policy dog. As a part-time Moroccan, I say screw the Arab World. Even more important, SCREW THE ISLAMISTS!
America doesn't cultivate friends, America cultivate INTERESTS!
And what interests America is reaping from the wretched Arab/Muslim World? Name one contribution that our portion of this planet, the Ghetto of the world if you ask me, is chipping in for the betterment of mankind?
I stand corrected : we know how to stage massive demonstrations! I am not even try to delve into our blowing-each-ot her-up specialties, Our tally of Nobel Prizes, our limitless capacity of rendering small problems, laughable problems actually, like the idiotic Sahara issue, into a fifty-freaking- years conundrum!
There must a point when a rational human being start to look around him or her and say : This sucks!
Europe did it. America Does it all the time! It's called reinventing oneself!It's called waking up from centuries of lethargy that the Muslim/Arab world has been wallowing in like some beasts on the shore of some water hole in Africa.
And since we are on the "who is mucho macho" subject, our part of the world does not produce REAL MEN! it produces, on its best day, loud mouths or Allah ya h'fadak ya Amir Al-Mum'minin. Kiss the hand, and wait for Massiki and Morcelli to Photoshop it into something that I should care about.
Morcelli : I like you brother, I will have a beer or twelve, with you one day, or a Rak3a or two with you (limit 4 Rak3a, I know my priorities) but don't get suckered into false sense of patriotic duty.
It's a lost cause.
Take it from somebody whose late father's cries were heard all over our house, if not the neighborhood, because of the loss of life of Moroccan soldiers during those dark days of the mid-seventies.
Everyday we support this white camel, we take a year off from our march toward the promised prosperity.
Please Don't Censor me.
America doesn't cultivate friends, America cultivate INTERESTS!
And what interests America is reaping from the wretched Arab/Muslim World? Name one contribution that our portion of this planet, the Ghetto of the world if you ask me, is chipping in for the betterment of mankind?
I stand corrected : we know how to stage massive demonstrations! I am not even try to delve into our blowing-each-ot her-up specialties, Our tally of Nobel Prizes, our limitless capacity of rendering small problems, laughable problems actually, like the idiotic Sahara issue, into a fifty-freaking- years conundrum!
There must a point when a rational human being start to look around him or her and say : This sucks!
Europe did it. America Does it all the time! It's called reinventing oneself!It's called waking up from centuries of lethargy that the Muslim/Arab world has been wallowing in like some beasts on the shore of some water hole in Africa.
And since we are on the "who is mucho macho" subject, our part of the world does not produce REAL MEN! it produces, on its best day, loud mouths or Allah ya h'fadak ya Amir Al-Mum'minin. Kiss the hand, and wait for Massiki and Morcelli to Photoshop it into something that I should care about.
Morcelli : I like you brother, I will have a beer or twelve, with you one day, or a Rak3a or two with you (limit 4 Rak3a, I know my priorities) but don't get suckered into false sense of patriotic duty.
It's a lost cause.
Take it from somebody whose late father's cries were heard all over our house, if not the neighborhood, because of the loss of life of Moroccan soldiers during those dark days of the mid-seventies.
Everyday we support this white camel, we take a year off from our march toward the promised prosperity.
Please Don't Censor me.
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RE: Divergences between Algeria and Washington On National Security —
2012-10-20 23:46
Algeria, general Ham just been replaced by general Rodriguez a hard liner and action guy as a head of the Africom.he was in charge of the SF task force in Afghanistan.Tha t tells you something about the US plans for the Sahel and the US Agreement with your junta.please it seems like you did your homework in the DRS office where general Tewfik was dictating you what to write. You have a long way to go with your junta. Time will tell.
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RE: Divergences between Algeria and Washington On National Security —
2012-10-20 23:53
Here you go Mr algeria,he is a heavy hitter
Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez nominated to head U.S. Africa command - Wichita Military Affairs
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta held a news conference today at the Pentagon and announced that President Obama will nominate General David Rodriguez to succeed General Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command.
“General Rodriguez currently leads U.S. Army Forces Command, and as I think many of you know, he has served in a variety of key leadership roles on the battlefield. While serving as commander of ISAF Joint Command, he oversaw the coalition and Afghan forces during the surge, and was a key architect of the successful campaign plan that we are now implementing. He's a proven leader, extremely well prepared to serve as the next AFRICOM commander, if confirmed, and I believe he will be."
Source: Pentagon transcript defense.gov/.../....
According to his service record, Rodriguez has commanded at every level, most recently the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command (IJC) in Afghanistan. Additional commands include the 82nd Airborne Division; 2nd Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division; and 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault).
He commanded companies in 1st Armored Division, 75th Ranger Regiment, and led a platoon in the 5th Infantry Division (Mechanized).
Rodriguez’s extensive combat experiences include: G-3 Planner, XVIII Airborne Corps, Operation Just Cause, 1989–1990; Operations Officer, 1st Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division, Desert Shield/Desert Storm, 1990–1991; Assistant Division Commander, 4th Infantry Division (Mechanized), 2002–2003; Commander, Multi-National Division-Northw est, 2005; Special Assistant to the Commander, Multi-National Corps-Iraq, 2006; Commander, Joint Task Force-82 in Afghanistan, 2007–2008; and Deputy Commander, United States Forces Afghanistan and Commander, International Security Assistance Force Joint Command.
Source: Resume - Lt. Gen. David M. Rodriguez scribd.com/.../...
Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez nominated to head U.S. Africa command - Wichita Military Affairs | Examiner.com
examiner.com/.../...
Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez nominated to head U.S. Africa command - Wichita Military Affairs
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta held a news conference today at the Pentagon and announced that President Obama will nominate General David Rodriguez to succeed General Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command.
“General Rodriguez currently leads U.S. Army Forces Command, and as I think many of you know, he has served in a variety of key leadership roles on the battlefield. While serving as commander of ISAF Joint Command, he oversaw the coalition and Afghan forces during the surge, and was a key architect of the successful campaign plan that we are now implementing. He's a proven leader, extremely well prepared to serve as the next AFRICOM commander, if confirmed, and I believe he will be."
Source: Pentagon transcript defense.gov/.../....
According to his service record, Rodriguez has commanded at every level, most recently the International Security Assistance Force Joint Command (IJC) in Afghanistan. Additional commands include the 82nd Airborne Division; 2nd Brigade, 82nd Airborne Division; and 2nd Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault).
He commanded companies in 1st Armored Division, 75th Ranger Regiment, and led a platoon in the 5th Infantry Division (Mechanized).
Rodriguez’s extensive combat experiences include: G-3 Planner, XVIII Airborne Corps, Operation Just Cause, 1989–1990; Operations Officer, 1st Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division, Desert Shield/Desert Storm, 1990–1991; Assistant Division Commander, 4th Infantry Division (Mechanized), 2002–2003; Commander, Multi-National Division-Northw est, 2005; Special Assistant to the Commander, Multi-National Corps-Iraq, 2006; Commander, Joint Task Force-82 in Afghanistan, 2007–2008; and Deputy Commander, United States Forces Afghanistan and Commander, International Security Assistance Force Joint Command.
Source: Resume - Lt. Gen. David M. Rodriguez scribd.com/.../...
Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez nominated to head U.S. Africa command - Wichita Military Affairs | Examiner.com
examiner.com/.../...
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RE: Divergences between Algeria and Washington On National Security —
2012-10-21 20:23
I think we should refrain from making statement that do not make any sens. America has no reason to condemn the Polisario. The polisario are recognized by the US as the sole representative of the Sahraouis, and that is why the US host the Polisario-Moroc co talk in Manhasset, NY. The Polisario have more representatives on Capitol hill than Morocco itself. The US host the
Many US congress men and women support the polisario and have been doing so for decades.
It is not in the US national interest of the US to see the Sahara conflict resolved, Morocco just purchased $2.5 billions of US weaponry including used F16 thanks to the conflict that Morocco would not have purchased if not for the conflict.
If anything, The US are grateful to the Polisario who keep US workers employed at Lockeed Martins making jets and bombs for Morocco.
Anything that helps the US economy is welcome news for any US administration.
The only way the Sahara conflict gets resolved is through direct negotiations between Algeria and Morocco, and the only way such a thing could happen is if the current rulers of Algeria are gone, something similar to what happen to Qaddafi and his gang.
QQuoting Morcelli:
Read carefully what someone writes before you reply to them, especially if you will disparage them as senseless.
I was merely expressing cynicism about Mr Hassan Masiky's assumption that the administration really is pro-Moroccan, not cynicism about the polisario's lobbying prowess or the relevancy of Moroccan-Algeri an relations in this matter. (Do read his last paragraph.) My senses and political judgement do not allow me to consider this administration' s tacitly and superficially pro-Moroccan pretences as meaningful to Moroccan goals concerning the Sahara. Ironically my initial comment is similar to yours insofar as we agree Washington has given no reason for anyone to believe it desires the ending of the Sahara conflict; Like you said somewhat myopically, the military industrial complex benefits from conflict, why should the administration jeopardize its revenues by closing wounds and settling conflicts in the world like the Sahara cnflict.
Many US congress men and women support the polisario and have been doing so for decades.
It is not in the US national interest of the US to see the Sahara conflict resolved, Morocco just purchased $2.5 billions of US weaponry including used F16 thanks to the conflict that Morocco would not have purchased if not for the conflict.
If anything, The US are grateful to the Polisario who keep US workers employed at Lockeed Martins making jets and bombs for Morocco.
Anything that helps the US economy is welcome news for any US administration.
The only way the Sahara conflict gets resolved is through direct negotiations between Algeria and Morocco, and the only way such a thing could happen is if the current rulers of Algeria are gone, something similar to what happen to Qaddafi and his gang.
QQuoting Morcelli:
Quoting Amr:Until America condemns Algeria's support for the Polisario unequivocally and openly, it cannot be said that Washington supports Morocco's autonomy proposal. Until Washington condemns Algeria's visceral role in the region's destabilisation, to me, it is indistinguishable from those capitals which oscillate between the Moroccan camp and the Algerian camp in accordance to bribes.
I think we should refrain from making statement that do not make any sens. America has no reason to condemn the Polisario. The polisario are recognized by the US as the sole representative of the Sahraouis, and that is why the US host the Polisario-Morocco talk in Manhasset, NY. The Polisario have more representatives on Capitol hill than Morocco itself. The US host the
Many US congress men and women support the polisario and have been doing so for decades.
It is not in the US national interest of the US to see the Sahara conflict resolved, Morocco just purchased $2.5 billions of US weaponry including used F16 thanks to the conflict that Morocco would not have purchased if not for the conflict.
If anything, The US are grateful to the Polisario who keep US workers employed at Lockeed Martins making jets and bombs for Morocco.
Anything that helps the US economy is welcome news for any US administration.
The only way the Sahara conflict gets resolved is through direct negotiations between Algeria and Morocco, and the only way such a thing could happen is if the current rulers of Algeria are gone, something similar to what happen to Qaddafi and his gang.
Read carefully what someone writes before you reply to them, especially if you will disparage them as senseless.
I was merely expressing cynicism about Mr Hassan Masiky's assumption that the administration really is pro-Moroccan, not cynicism about the polisario's lobbying prowess or the relevancy of Moroccan-Algeri an relations in this matter. (Do read his last paragraph.) My senses and political judgement do not allow me to consider this administration' s tacitly and superficially pro-Moroccan pretences as meaningful to Moroccan goals concerning the Sahara. Ironically my initial comment is similar to yours insofar as we agree Washington has given no reason for anyone to believe it desires the ending of the Sahara conflict; Like you said somewhat myopically, the military industrial complex benefits from conflict, why should the administration jeopardize its revenues by closing wounds and settling conflicts in the world like the Sahara cnflict.
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RE: Divergences between Algeria and Washington On National Security —
2012-10-21 23:37
And the irony ,the US and Paneta made the statement the same day as the strategical conference between algeria and the US were going on.Is that tell you the answer to the junta from the US DOD and the security apparatus. It is like "hell we are going to do what we always did,taking over "
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#10
Sahara, enough! —
2012-10-22 07:18
This article is not about the Moroccan Sahara. It is about Algerian-Americ an relations. DO not let Algerian take down the wrong way. Focus on what Mr. Massiki iw wriring!!
Moroccan should highlight the differences btwn Algeria and USA to push Moroccan interests in Washington!
Moroccan should highlight the differences btwn Algeria and USA to push Moroccan interests in Washington!
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RE: Divergences between Algeria and Washington On National Security —
2012-10-22 07:46
@riffi
Thank you for the info, but I am still not getting your point, what does the appointment of a new US general has to do with Algeria?
Or maybe you think that because the dude a reputation of being a heavy hitter, he would just wake up one day and decide to bomb Algeria as you might wish;)
Your understanding of how US. Foreign policy is set , can be described as........naive . It's up to the president in consultation with the state department to set it and its not up to a general to set it my friend;)
Still have not heard much from our MOroccan brothers about the humiliating episode called " the return of Mr. Ross"
Thank you for the info, but I am still not getting your point, what does the appointment of a new US general has to do with Algeria?
Or maybe you think that because the dude a reputation of being a heavy hitter, he would just wake up one day and decide to bomb Algeria as you might wish;)
Your understanding of how US. Foreign policy is set , can be described as........naive . It's up to the president in consultation with the state department to set it and its not up to a general to set it my friend;)
Still have not heard much from our MOroccan brothers about the humiliating episode called " the return of Mr. Ross"
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#12
RE: Divergences between Algeria and Washington On National Security —
2012-10-23 15:57
Algeria’s positions in Libya, Syria, Mali and the Western Sahara are often at odds with American interests
That's not true, If that would be the case, do you think the US will beg for a strategic Alliance with algeria?
The absence of the Algerian foreign minister during this meeting coupled with the American representation at the Undersecretary of State level is an indication of a malaise in the American-Algeri an relations.
If we were talking about some Arab country, I would agree, In the US it is not who shows up at the meeting it is about the result of the meeting. The US is not Oman or Saudi Arabia
Algeria's foreign minister Mourad Medelci has been keeping a low profile on the international scene.
Not true, he's been everywhere> Stop making flase statements please
At a time when Algeria looks isolated in North Africa and the Sahel
The one that is isolated is Morocco who has been pissed off because Algeria successfully moved them aside.
In Libya, Algeria, that supported Kaddafi until his death, has been lukewarm to the new Libyan government.
Not true, The Libyaan Nationa council is doing everything possible to be on the good side of Algeria even though the Algerians supported Qaddafi. This coucil is too coward to support Morocco's autonomy when we were the first countries
with Qatar to support them
The disagreements between Algeria and the United States are more pronounced on Syria.
This is not true, algeria does not want military action and so is the US. Have you watched the debates lately?
While the Algerian government has been voiceless on its denouncement of Assad’s massacres against the Syrian people
Not true, the Algerians are against any Powerful country screwing up an Arab country as in the case of Iraq and then leave.
The insecurity in the Sahel is fast becoming a source of friction between Algiers and its neighbors.
What neighbors? Niger? Burkina faso, mali? Algeria could buy these countries with few dollars and they did.
In the Western Sahara conflict, the American administration pro-Morocco position as stated by Mrs. Clinton is another point of disagreement between Algeria and the American administration.
Not true, both the US and Algeria claim that they want a UN solution and we know that both play games according to their interest, The US does not support Morocco, it is simply selling arms to Morocco to keep Americans working building jets and bomba for Morocco and Algeria keeps the sahara conflict alive for their internal reasons.
Please do us a favor and come up with something real. I still like you though.
That's not true, If that would be the case, do you think the US will beg for a strategic Alliance with algeria?
The absence of the Algerian foreign minister during this meeting coupled with the American representation at the Undersecretary of State level is an indication of a malaise in the American-Algeri an relations.
If we were talking about some Arab country, I would agree, In the US it is not who shows up at the meeting it is about the result of the meeting. The US is not Oman or Saudi Arabia
Algeria's foreign minister Mourad Medelci has been keeping a low profile on the international scene.
Not true, he's been everywhere> Stop making flase statements please
At a time when Algeria looks isolated in North Africa and the Sahel
The one that is isolated is Morocco who has been pissed off because Algeria successfully moved them aside.
In Libya, Algeria, that supported Kaddafi until his death, has been lukewarm to the new Libyan government.
Not true, The Libyaan Nationa council is doing everything possible to be on the good side of Algeria even though the Algerians supported Qaddafi. This coucil is too coward to support Morocco's autonomy when we were the first countries
with Qatar to support them
The disagreements between Algeria and the United States are more pronounced on Syria.
This is not true, algeria does not want military action and so is the US. Have you watched the debates lately?
While the Algerian government has been voiceless on its denouncement of Assad’s massacres against the Syrian people
Not true, the Algerians are against any Powerful country screwing up an Arab country as in the case of Iraq and then leave.
The insecurity in the Sahel is fast becoming a source of friction between Algiers and its neighbors.
What neighbors? Niger? Burkina faso, mali? Algeria could buy these countries with few dollars and they did.
In the Western Sahara conflict, the American administration pro-Morocco position as stated by Mrs. Clinton is another point of disagreement between Algeria and the American administration.
Not true, both the US and Algeria claim that they want a UN solution and we know that both play games according to their interest, The US does not support Morocco, it is simply selling arms to Morocco to keep Americans working building jets and bomba for Morocco and Algeria keeps the sahara conflict alive for their internal reasons.
Please do us a favor and come up with something real. I still like you though.
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@Algerian —
2012-10-25 17:39
We will see who gets the last laugh when Algeria foots the bill for contributing to the mess in Mali.Not the US !
Algeria has historically almost always worked against Americas interests (By strongly allying with the Ex-USSR, Kadhafi,Assad in Syria,Castro,Ch avez.........)a nd they have always used the politics of diversion also by initiating the Sahara conflict.
They have been arresting human rights activists by the bunch , repressing the Kabyle tribes ( the UN should look into that CLOSELY),incidi ously harboring extremism and strong anti-American sentiments among the population , promoting anti-semitism everywhere they can....What can I say , way to go "Kim Jong Il " Bouteflika ..
Algeria has historically almost always worked against Americas interests (By strongly allying with the Ex-USSR, Kadhafi,Assad in Syria,Castro,Ch avez.........)a nd they have always used the politics of diversion also by initiating the Sahara conflict.
They have been arresting human rights activists by the bunch , repressing the Kabyle tribes ( the UN should look into that CLOSELY),incidi ously harboring extremism and strong anti-American sentiments among the population , promoting anti-semitism everywhere they can....What can I say , way to go "Kim Jong Il " Bouteflika ..
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#14
I would —
2012-10-26 13:50
I am ready to give up the Sahara if Morocco and Algeria agree to becoming one country. Anyone with me?
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