U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise
- HASSAN MASIKY
- 10/24/12
Governor Romney’s comments came on the heels of news that hundreds of armed militants from the Polisario camps in Algeria and Sudan have joined the ranks of Al-Qaeda affiliates in the Sahel, according to Agence France Press.
During Monday’s debate, the Republican candidate stated that “[the northern part of] Mali was conquered, and taken by Al-Qaeda type individuals." Such statement will undoubtedly move the Malian conflict to the top of the American intelligence community’s agenda. Washington will likely intensify the American support to French plans for an African led military intervention in Northern Mali. The Obama administration cannot afford a shy role in the Sahel while a myriad of armed groups close to The Al-Qaeda in Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) control swaps of territories in Mali.
By describing the Sahel as "a region in full turmoil", Mr. Romney puts Mali in the same category as Libya and Syria and thus adds urgency to an eventual American military plan to assist the Afro-French eventual military intervention in Mali. As the American involvement in the Malian crisis evolves, Washington is intensifying its diplomatic pressure on some countries in the Sahel to assist French military efforts. According to the Algerian Arabic daily Al-khabar, Paris asked the United States to “persuade” Algiers to engage its Air Force in support of French eventual military operations in northern Mali.
American pressures on Algeria were successful. Le French daily le Monde, citing a French Defense official, is reporting that Algeria has given a “tactical agreement” to a French led military operation in Mali and the presence of foreign troops on its borders. For his part, Algeria’s Foreign Minister has indicated during a recent visit to Mali “Algeria is not opposed to a military intervention as long as it is a part of the fight against terrorism.”
Faced with a deteriorating security situation at its doorsteps and feeling isolated, Algeria was “forced” to reverse its anti-military intervention stand. The Algerian government fears that an American blessed French military operation in Mali without Algerian military support will leave Algeria on the sideline watching French troops secure Algerian borders.
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#1
RE: Mali —
2012-10-24 16:49
Mr Hassan,
I really find it funny how you switch and twitch the news.
Let's start with Mr. Romney, Do you really rely on what Romney said or did not say?
Romney needs to start by telling and specifying his 5 point plan to the American people instead of referring them to his web site that has nothing about any plan, he also needs to tell them about the loopholes that he wants to close in order to reduce the deficit.
I bet you Romney never heard of Mali before, He's a Mormon and the only place he knows is Salt lake city, Utah and the caymans islands where he shields his money from taxes. I know I paid twice the percentage he paid in taxes.
I am telling you Si Hassan, you need to come up with something better to denigrate Algeria.
Some of us follow the news as well, and if it does not make sens, it is not true.
France Has nothing on Algeria, The French have been begging the Algerian to sign the Traite' d'amitie' for decades now and Algeria will have none of that. The French senate just last week recognized the crimes the French committed during their stay in Algeria before The president Holland trip to Algiers in December hoping to get Algerian business and dip into the billions that Algeria has been saving.
I am with you when it comes to the hate that Algeria reserves for the monarchy but i will not say a thing that is not true to prove my point.
Algerians should be commanded because no one can dictate to them what they can and cannot do. Algeria looks after Algeria not after France of the US.
If Morocco were to support Assad or Qaddafi as the Algerians did, Morocco would in deep crap now with France and the US.
I am with you that the butchers of North Africa who killed 200,000 of their own are not good friend nor good neighbors but we should not come up with shady stories to make our point.
I am sorry that I am always disagreeing with you, but I do appreciate your contribution to this board. I really do.
I really find it funny how you switch and twitch the news.
Let's start with Mr. Romney, Do you really rely on what Romney said or did not say?
Romney needs to start by telling and specifying his 5 point plan to the American people instead of referring them to his web site that has nothing about any plan, he also needs to tell them about the loopholes that he wants to close in order to reduce the deficit.
I bet you Romney never heard of Mali before, He's a Mormon and the only place he knows is Salt lake city, Utah and the caymans islands where he shields his money from taxes. I know I paid twice the percentage he paid in taxes.
I am telling you Si Hassan, you need to come up with something better to denigrate Algeria.
Some of us follow the news as well, and if it does not make sens, it is not true.
France Has nothing on Algeria, The French have been begging the Algerian to sign the Traite' d'amitie' for decades now and Algeria will have none of that. The French senate just last week recognized the crimes the French committed during their stay in Algeria before The president Holland trip to Algiers in December hoping to get Algerian business and dip into the billions that Algeria has been saving.
I am with you when it comes to the hate that Algeria reserves for the monarchy but i will not say a thing that is not true to prove my point.
Algerians should be commanded because no one can dictate to them what they can and cannot do. Algeria looks after Algeria not after France of the US.
If Morocco were to support Assad or Qaddafi as the Algerians did, Morocco would in deep crap now with France and the US.
I am with you that the butchers of North Africa who killed 200,000 of their own are not good friend nor good neighbors but we should not come up with shady stories to make our point.
I am sorry that I am always disagreeing with you, but I do appreciate your contribution to this board. I really do.
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#2
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-10-25 11:36
Malnutrition. 1,6 million de Marocains en souffrent
25 Oct 2012
Par : Telquel
La malnutrition gagne du terrain au Maroc. Selon l’édition 2012 du rapport de la FAO sur “l’état de l’insécurité alimentaire dans le monde”, 5,6% de Marocains en souffriraient contre seulement 5,2% en 2009. Comment expliquer une telle situation ? L’Organisation onusienne pour l’alimentation évoque “le manque de précipitations durant les deux dernières années”, donnant des récoltes céréalières assez moyennes. La situation est donc préoccupante, mais elle n’est pas dramatique, le Maroc ayant quand même réussi à réaliser de grandes avancées durant les vingt dernières années. La malnutrition frappait en effet 7,1% de la population en 1990. Parallèlement au rapport de la FAO, un bureau d'études anglais vient de publier son indice sur les risques de famine dans le monde en 2013. Le Maroc a été placé dans la zone “risque moyen” avec les pays d'Europe de l'Est, l'Argentine, ou encore le Brésil.
25 Oct 2012
Par : Telquel
La malnutrition gagne du terrain au Maroc. Selon l’édition 2012 du rapport de la FAO sur “l’état de l’insécurité alimentaire dans le monde”, 5,6% de Marocains en souffriraient contre seulement 5,2% en 2009. Comment expliquer une telle situation ? L’Organisation onusienne pour l’alimentation évoque “le manque de précipitations durant les deux dernières années”, donnant des récoltes céréalières assez moyennes. La situation est donc préoccupante, mais elle n’est pas dramatique, le Maroc ayant quand même réussi à réaliser de grandes avancées durant les vingt dernières années. La malnutrition frappait en effet 7,1% de la population en 1990. Parallèlement au rapport de la FAO, un bureau d'études anglais vient de publier son indice sur les risques de famine dans le monde en 2013. Le Maroc a été placé dans la zone “risque moyen” avec les pays d'Europe de l'Est, l'Argentine, ou encore le Brésil.
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#3
Hey Morcelli —
2012-10-25 19:11
Are you Algerian by any chance ? just curious because you almost share the name of the retired athlete " Nouredine Morceli'?
Seems to me that almost every time I type the name "Morceli" or "Morcelli" on any search engine takes me to the biograpgy of someone Algerian .Please I would rather that you be honest and not pretend to be Moroccan its not the case .Thank you .No offense though .
Seems to me that almost every time I type the name "Morceli" or "Morcelli" on any search engine takes me to the biograpgy of someone Algerian .Please I would rather that you be honest and not pretend to be Moroccan its not the case .Thank you .No offense though .
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#4
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-10-26 14:38
I would rather see the USA control and runs the sahil than the backward Algerian regime. Many people dont understand that Algeria's main plan is to encircle and turn Morocco into the biggest prison in the world . After Syria is Algeria.Simple
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#5
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-10-26 17:15
I hope that we all agree that
-Morocco's diplomacy sucks
-Morocco's diplomacy has zero power. -"Constitutiona lly" foreign affairs are in the hand of the kings.
-The US looks after the US and of course the 51st Israel (Have you watched the last debate?".
-Morocco should not be concerned with the Sahel when Algeria is our buffer. We'll deal with the Sahara, let them get the terrorists of Mali on their borders.
and Yes I am a proud "Algerian" from Derb sultan Casablanca.
The reason Morocco is messed up is because our culture pride itself on Namima wa nifaq. It should not be about where I come from but about the content of my comments Mrs Nellia.
I did not ask you if were married to a Saudi.
MB. don't censor my reply
-Morocco's diplomacy sucks
-Morocco's diplomacy has zero power. -"Constitutiona lly" foreign affairs are in the hand of the kings.
-The US looks after the US and of course the 51st Israel (Have you watched the last debate?".
-Morocco should not be concerned with the Sahel when Algeria is our buffer. We'll deal with the Sahara, let them get the terrorists of Mali on their borders.
and Yes I am a proud "Algerian" from Derb sultan Casablanca.
The reason Morocco is messed up is because our culture pride itself on Namima wa nifaq. It should not be about where I come from but about the content of my comments Mrs Nellia.
I did not ask you if were married to a Saudi.
MB. don't censor my reply
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#6
A Proud Moroccan —
2012-10-27 14:34
The same way Morceli, finally claims to be “a proud Algerian”, the same way all of the Moroccans who write to the MB or read the MB are “proud to be Moroccan. I reviewed for months everything Morceli had commented on and crisscrossed most of the content, context, syntax, intent, meaning, contradictions and lack of logic of all of Morceli’s comments and the only way that justifies what Morceli presents in his comments on the Kingdom of Morocco and its leadership and especially its people and culture are Morceli blatant propaganda tactics and heinous strategy of seeding division between Moroccans who participate and comment on issues of interest to them. Now that Morceli has been discovered as to who Morceli really is? All of us who participate in MB know exactly where Morceli is coming from. It is sad that Morceli, an Algerian, who lived within our midst in Deb Sultan in Casablanca, would be as “Mechant” as he is to the Kingdom of Morocco, Its leadership and the Moroccan people and their culture. Please, Morceli, do not get on the denial track because your comments and they are hundreds of them attest to this unjustified meanness towards the Moroccan people and the Arabs and Moslems as a whole who you describe as living in “Aljahelia”.
Because of your being wicked, slick and sly and because of your dehumanization by 130 years of colonization and because Morocco received you with open arms as one us, you owe us all an apology for misleading us by your dubious attitude and your schizophrenic personality always presenting yourself to us for what you are not. What makes the participants at the MB think twice about Morceli’s sincerity is when he starts attempting to dividing us and seeking support from other Moroccan participants against Moroccans whose write ups, comments and views are opposed to his.
Now that we all finally know that Morceli is a proud “Algerian”, we hope that Morceli will kindly abstain from bashing Morocco because we are also proud Moroccans. Morceli, it is a good feeling to admit who you are. Isn’t it?
Because of your being wicked, slick and sly and because of your dehumanization by 130 years of colonization and because Morocco received you with open arms as one us, you owe us all an apology for misleading us by your dubious attitude and your schizophrenic personality always presenting yourself to us for what you are not. What makes the participants at the MB think twice about Morceli’s sincerity is when he starts attempting to dividing us and seeking support from other Moroccan participants against Moroccans whose write ups, comments and views are opposed to his.
Now that we all finally know that Morceli is a proud “Algerian”, we hope that Morceli will kindly abstain from bashing Morocco because we are also proud Moroccans. Morceli, it is a good feeling to admit who you are. Isn’t it?
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#7
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-10-27 18:31
Chtaini,
grow up brother.
I am not the one who want people's real names and emails in order to "fix' the problem with LA RAM.
By the way it's MorceLLi. All you and your friend Nellia had to do, is google my name and you will find out it is an Italian name not Algerian. You are over 70 years old grow up.
I am not going to let any poster/author spread the propaganda that you encourage, every time someone tries, I will be here to correct them.
I know that I am messing up your plans to spread your royalist crap, sorry you've got to come clean.
grow up brother.
I am not the one who want people's real names and emails in order to "fix' the problem with LA RAM.
By the way it's MorceLLi. All you and your friend Nellia had to do, is google my name and you will find out it is an Italian name not Algerian. You are over 70 years old grow up.
I am not going to let any poster/author spread the propaganda that you encourage, every time someone tries, I will be here to correct them.
I know that I am messing up your plans to spread your royalist crap, sorry you've got to come clean.
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#8
Morcelli:You Algerian SOB!! —
2012-10-27 22:16
If Morcelli is an Algerian,it's OKAY! I mean, what's wrong with being an Algerian? Some of my best friends are Algerians. Okay I exaggerate, I don't have friends. I knew an Algerian once and he was a gentleman. And he was married to a Moroccan lady. Needless to say the poor guy lost and lost and lost.
Well he sucked as a bartender, but did hook me up big time. He couldn't care about the Sahara or the Junta in Algiers, but man was he a chick magnet, and the spillover went my way!
The good old days in L.A!
Anyway, Romney is an empty vessel. The same neo-cons who got us into the Iraq mess are his foreign advisers. He kept referring to the area in question as "Northern Mali". Parroting, once again, the Rumsfelds, the Cheneys and other right wing hawks.
That area was never called "Northern Mali"
Cool Mitt?
But I digress. The area is a potential Afghanistan. All the ingredients are present and counted for. And no one is more aware of that than the CIA, the NSA,the State Department...etc.
So, Algeria might try to squeeze few dollars from the Homeland Security vast coffers, but at the end of the day America knows what she's doing.
And yes :Morcelli is an Algerian. DUH! Notice how his R's always precede his E's? I can smell his Sidi Bel Abbes's accent keyboards away! Or maybe tindouf's. Tlmcen's? Oran's? I don't know.
The Derb Sultan portion of Algiers maybe?
Well he sucked as a bartender, but did hook me up big time. He couldn't care about the Sahara or the Junta in Algiers, but man was he a chick magnet, and the spillover went my way!
The good old days in L.A!
Anyway, Romney is an empty vessel. The same neo-cons who got us into the Iraq mess are his foreign advisers. He kept referring to the area in question as "Northern Mali". Parroting, once again, the Rumsfelds, the Cheneys and other right wing hawks.
That area was never called "Northern Mali"
Cool Mitt?
But I digress. The area is a potential Afghanistan. All the ingredients are present and counted for. And no one is more aware of that than the CIA, the NSA,the State Department...etc.
So, Algeria might try to squeeze few dollars from the Homeland Security vast coffers, but at the end of the day America knows what she's doing.
And yes :Morcelli is an Algerian. DUH! Notice how his R's always precede his E's? I can smell his Sidi Bel Abbes's accent keyboards away! Or maybe tindouf's. Tlmcen's? Oran's? I don't know.
The Derb Sultan portion of Algiers maybe?
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#9
have to call a spade a spade :+) —
2012-10-28 03:28
Chtaini,
I am not even dignifying his heinous and misogynistic comment with an answer .The reason why I was wondering about it was because he seemed to be particularly hostile towards Morocco and pretty much indulgent towards the Algerian regime with a few twists here and there.
The Algerian regime is not only backward but evil also ,the result of which indicates why the people are particularly hardcore and aggressive.
The savage killing of babies and kids in the 90's will witness to that .
And I also remember vividly when this regime kicked thousands upon thousands of Moroccans living in Algeria and deprived them of all of their possessions guess what our reaction was ?
Taking the high road
Moroccans are not perfect but they do have big hearts and they do not generally recognize themselves in that type of hatred .
He can insult all he wants all day but Morocco is A DEMOCRACY NOW for better or worse .
I am not even dignifying his heinous and misogynistic comment with an answer .The reason why I was wondering about it was because he seemed to be particularly hostile towards Morocco and pretty much indulgent towards the Algerian regime with a few twists here and there.
The Algerian regime is not only backward but evil also ,the result of which indicates why the people are particularly hardcore and aggressive.
The savage killing of babies and kids in the 90's will witness to that .
And I also remember vividly when this regime kicked thousands upon thousands of Moroccans living in Algeria and deprived them of all of their possessions guess what our reaction was ?
Taking the high road
Moroccans are not perfect but they do have big hearts and they do not generally recognize themselves in that type of hatred .
He can insult all he wants all day but Morocco is A DEMOCRACY NOW for better or worse .
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#10
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-10-28 06:16
Morcelli is right, everyone on this forum knows it, but who cares about truth? MB? Not really they have been censoring me because I am an Algerian who tries to show the heavy bias of Mr. Massiky. So Morcelli with whom have plenty of time diverged and certainly will continue to do so in the future is certainly a Moroccan who deserve respect because he is critical about Morocco, certainly because he wishes the best for his country, and those who suddenly acuse him of being Algeran are mere hypocrits who want to kiss their king's hand.
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#11
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-10-28 14:50
First of all, Moroccans know that Algerians are rijal. They are tough and when they say something, they mean it.
They stuck with the Polisario for a better or for worse, they forced the french to apologize for their war crime and they will. The US and France have been twisting their arms to open the borders and they will not. They forced Hassan II to accept the referendum and forced M6 to sit across the table from the Polisario, they succeeded in isolating M6 from joining the Sahel and made him irrelevant.
These are facts that no one can deny, they are those who think that sneaking into blogs and lashing their hate will solve the problem, they can't. I will be here to prove them wrong.
Do I agree with the butchers of north Africa for holding the Maghreb hostage to their personal benefits, such as sending their kids abroad to get the best education and the rest is trying to flee the country? of course not, do I command their resiliency for not budging? of course not, do I think they need to start thinking about the whole maghreb, the same way Europe was able to unite? YES I DO. Is it a wishful thinking? YES IT IS.
Man en blanc,
That was funny! give it to them bro!
Algerian, You are absolutely right, we will continue to diverge, and you phrase it better, because we care.
If you were Algeria and I were Morocco, I am sure we will meet in the middle because we both know that you and I are not perfect but we can manage to change the status quo, until then, let's continue proving each other wrong, because we are right, we are wrong.
Nellia,
You are a new comer here, we've been at it here for looooong time, if I were you, I'll watch the debate and laugh. I know you like your king and that is your right, just don't ask the dumb question if I am an Algerian, You know what? I wish I were, You know why? because I don't care if I am an ALgerian, bartqizi, or 3roubi khommagui.
As I said, I never asked you if you were married to a Saudi.
They stuck with the Polisario for a better or for worse, they forced the french to apologize for their war crime and they will. The US and France have been twisting their arms to open the borders and they will not. They forced Hassan II to accept the referendum and forced M6 to sit across the table from the Polisario, they succeeded in isolating M6 from joining the Sahel and made him irrelevant.
These are facts that no one can deny, they are those who think that sneaking into blogs and lashing their hate will solve the problem, they can't. I will be here to prove them wrong.
Do I agree with the butchers of north Africa for holding the Maghreb hostage to their personal benefits, such as sending their kids abroad to get the best education and the rest is trying to flee the country? of course not, do I command their resiliency for not budging? of course not, do I think they need to start thinking about the whole maghreb, the same way Europe was able to unite? YES I DO. Is it a wishful thinking? YES IT IS.
Man en blanc,
That was funny! give it to them bro!
Algerian, You are absolutely right, we will continue to diverge, and you phrase it better, because we care.
If you were Algeria and I were Morocco, I am sure we will meet in the middle because we both know that you and I are not perfect but we can manage to change the status quo, until then, let's continue proving each other wrong, because we are right, we are wrong.
Nellia,
You are a new comer here, we've been at it here for looooong time, if I were you, I'll watch the debate and laugh. I know you like your king and that is your right, just don't ask the dumb question if I am an Algerian, You know what? I wish I were, You know why? because I don't care if I am an ALgerian, bartqizi, or 3roubi khommagui.
As I said, I never asked you if you were married to a Saudi.
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#12
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-10-28 15:52
It is a shame when somebody is criticizing the makhzen and their cronies become an enemy of the state, question? .We are all Moroccans, they are those who still believe in archaic makhzen and those who want a change, clear and simple. Stop using the makhzen and bush statement like “are you with us or against us”. The Sahara is ours and will be forever until the last Moroccan, morcelli believe in that also, but what makes him blow the gasket is our poor way of managing the conflict not like Algeria who is very strong and more respected in reference to their foreign policy stand. Plain and simple. Did the Moroccan makhzen genius close the Moroccan Sahara dossier, the answer is no, period
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#13
Cool man :+) —
2012-10-28 19:37
Man en Blanc ...So LA is in the house !!!:+) just kidding .
I have known a few Algerians in my life ..They were real nice and fun to be with but they were not that typical if you will.
Romney God how he flip flops and it's unbelievable how he can still pull votes ..perplexing ..
I watch CNN, MSNBC and even Fox News ( when I am in the mood to get pissed :+) not much beep about Mali and Mali is even closer to America than Afghanistan .
The only time I heard something was when one reporter said that something was going to get done in the next 40 days and Algeria was going to play a role in fixing this along with few other countries like France and so on .
I have known a few Algerians in my life ..They were real nice and fun to be with but they were not that typical if you will.
Romney God how he flip flops and it's unbelievable how he can still pull votes ..perplexing ..
I watch CNN, MSNBC and even Fox News ( when I am in the mood to get pissed :+) not much beep about Mali and Mali is even closer to America than Afghanistan .
The only time I heard something was when one reporter said that something was going to get done in the next 40 days and Algeria was going to play a role in fixing this along with few other countries like France and so on .
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#14
DRS's Foot Soldiers —
2012-10-29 08:58
To all my Moroccan brothers and sisters,
I just want to tell you that the Algerian DRS (Département du Renseignement et de la Sécurité) runs hundreds of online agents who work as propagandists for the military junta.
Since the Arab Spring, there presence in all main Moroccan forums has become widespread and noticeable.
Not only do they peddle misinformation about Moroccan institutions, they also spread rumours and lies.
They highlight any small mistake that our king, government or officials make and downplay any success story our country gets right like Renault's investment, TGV, Tanger Med Port etc.
Most of the time they come hiding their real identity. They change nicknames most of the time. In fact, some of them will ask a provocative question with one nickname and respond with another nickname to blur the lines.
They swear and tell you they are Moroccans. But we can smell a rat. Our slougis spot them from miles and miles.
Their role is to wage a psychological warfare (PsyOp) on Morocco to create an atmosphere of suspicion, hatred and enemity between Moroccans (pro-monarchy, anti-monarchy, sahraoui, Arab, Amazigh, leftists or rightwinger etc.).
PS. All their IPs are from the capital Algiers, plus some agents who work from Algerian embassies around the world.
I just want to tell you that the Algerian DRS (Département du Renseignement et de la Sécurité) runs hundreds of online agents who work as propagandists for the military junta.
Since the Arab Spring, there presence in all main Moroccan forums has become widespread and noticeable.
Not only do they peddle misinformation about Moroccan institutions, they also spread rumours and lies.
They highlight any small mistake that our king, government or officials make and downplay any success story our country gets right like Renault's investment, TGV, Tanger Med Port etc.
Most of the time they come hiding their real identity. They change nicknames most of the time. In fact, some of them will ask a provocative question with one nickname and respond with another nickname to blur the lines.
They swear and tell you they are Moroccans. But we can smell a rat. Our slougis spot them from miles and miles.
Their role is to wage a psychological warfare (PsyOp) on Morocco to create an atmosphere of suspicion, hatred and enemity between Moroccans (pro-monarchy, anti-monarchy, sahraoui, Arab, Amazigh, leftists or rightwinger etc.).
PS. All their IPs are from the capital Algiers, plus some agents who work from Algerian embassies around the world.
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#15
an old man's advice to Morceli —
2012-10-29 16:19
An Advice to Morceli from an Old Man as He calls Me
My age had thought me to be wise and to look at things for what they are and not for what they seem to appear to be. Since I got involved in participating on the MB, my position and views which are supportive of a Kingdom of Morocco which is on the track of a sound constitutional Monarchy seem to bother Mr. Morceli. I asked myself many times why is Morceli so opposed to my views. Yet our pseudo intellectual, Morceli, who claims to be a proud Algerian and then revert to be a Moroccan and who considers Algerians to be RIJAL always jumps on the band wagon of comments by being first to respond to making comments on anything and sometimes he is the only one to comment more than one time on the same issue thus killing any possibilities of free exchange of views on issues which matter to Moroccans. “Il fausse le jeu”
Morceli belittles Moroccans as being unable to develop, backward, illiterate, and living in Al Jahilia. He uses techniques of divide and control in his comments argumentation which influence the unprepared reader of the MB to agree with him on the falsehood he preaches about Morocco. For Morceli bashing Morocco, Its leadership, its people and its culture has become a religion for him since he claims to have none.
While telling his elders they must grow as an excuse for all his misrepresentati on, if one reads all his comments, one will understand Morceli for what he is: A pseudo-intellec tual who needs his dose of bashing Morocco daily on the MB. If he does not get his dose, he probably will not sleep at night. He attempts in his misrepresentati on to claim himself to be an Agent of Change but his “comportement” makes him nothing but an “Agent Provocateur”.
Thinking of being a change agent or being an agent provocateur is not a problem many people in this world are agents of something for one reason or another, but what is inacceptable is when Morceli claims to be the conscience of the MB. He says he is commenting to rectify what other may have misstated and he is here to stay. Lord! Please spare me from this insanity.
As to age, the older I get, the more experienced I become, and I hope for your sake that when you get to my age that your love for Algeria will be just as strong as the love I have for Morocco. I doubt it because you do not know who you are and if you do you will never overcome “la méchanceté du déracinement” which you dish out and which eats up your heart..
An advice from an old man as you called me: Morceli be cool, you are too young to have a heart attack because of all these contradictions in your life.
My age had thought me to be wise and to look at things for what they are and not for what they seem to appear to be. Since I got involved in participating on the MB, my position and views which are supportive of a Kingdom of Morocco which is on the track of a sound constitutional Monarchy seem to bother Mr. Morceli. I asked myself many times why is Morceli so opposed to my views. Yet our pseudo intellectual, Morceli, who claims to be a proud Algerian and then revert to be a Moroccan and who considers Algerians to be RIJAL always jumps on the band wagon of comments by being first to respond to making comments on anything and sometimes he is the only one to comment more than one time on the same issue thus killing any possibilities of free exchange of views on issues which matter to Moroccans. “Il fausse le jeu”
Morceli belittles Moroccans as being unable to develop, backward, illiterate, and living in Al Jahilia. He uses techniques of divide and control in his comments argumentation which influence the unprepared reader of the MB to agree with him on the falsehood he preaches about Morocco. For Morceli bashing Morocco, Its leadership, its people and its culture has become a religion for him since he claims to have none.
While telling his elders they must grow as an excuse for all his misrepresentati on, if one reads all his comments, one will understand Morceli for what he is: A pseudo-intellec tual who needs his dose of bashing Morocco daily on the MB. If he does not get his dose, he probably will not sleep at night. He attempts in his misrepresentati on to claim himself to be an Agent of Change but his “comportement” makes him nothing but an “Agent Provocateur”.
Thinking of being a change agent or being an agent provocateur is not a problem many people in this world are agents of something for one reason or another, but what is inacceptable is when Morceli claims to be the conscience of the MB. He says he is commenting to rectify what other may have misstated and he is here to stay. Lord! Please spare me from this insanity.
As to age, the older I get, the more experienced I become, and I hope for your sake that when you get to my age that your love for Algeria will be just as strong as the love I have for Morocco. I doubt it because you do not know who you are and if you do you will never overcome “la méchanceté du déracinement” which you dish out and which eats up your heart..
An advice from an old man as you called me: Morceli be cool, you are too young to have a heart attack because of all these contradictions in your life.
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#16
To Chitaini —
2012-10-30 13:24
Chitaini,
We left Morocco and now we have to deal with you here? Again and again, I am telling you brother, if I were you, I would enjoy my retirement in peace of harmony, take up walking, go to the beach and enjoy watching the waves, take up a hobby like cooking, reading something else other the crap from MAP.
Do you have grand children? enjoy their company, teach them something other than the bs that you want people here to believe.
Why are you doing this to yourself at 70 plus year old? Use your leftover energy to better yourself. Let the new generation decide for itself, don't try to cement on their head the " democracy " in Morocco.
I would be very surprised that there is anyone on this board who will take you seriously.
"Torture is systematic in Morocco for cases involving anti-government protesters and fundamentalists accused of terrorism."With this statement the UN rapporteur on torture, Juan Mendez concluded his visit.
We left Morocco and now we have to deal with you here? Again and again, I am telling you brother, if I were you, I would enjoy my retirement in peace of harmony, take up walking, go to the beach and enjoy watching the waves, take up a hobby like cooking, reading something else other the crap from MAP.
Do you have grand children? enjoy their company, teach them something other than the bs that you want people here to believe.
Why are you doing this to yourself at 70 plus year old? Use your leftover energy to better yourself. Let the new generation decide for itself, don't try to cement on their head the " democracy " in Morocco.
I would be very surprised that there is anyone on this board who will take you seriously.
"Torture is systematic in Morocco for cases involving anti-government protesters and fundamentalists accused of terrorism."With this statement the UN rapporteur on torture, Juan Mendez concluded his visit.
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#17
Give it up gran pa —
2012-10-30 16:26
Riffi,
You've got my drift. There are those who still live in Hassan IIs era, the era of lies and deception, the era where no one could even criticize merda.
Not willing to accept that we live in the 21st century when the internet cannot allow them to sweep their ill doing under the carpet. Look at this chitaini, the only time he shows up is to try to make me look like the one who wants Morocco to flank, not aware that he does not do Morocco good when he and those like him do not do Morocco a favor by accepting that the King of Morocco is a Godly creature.
This man is going after those like you and me who want real change not a fake Constitution. All those F20 leaders are now in prison and chitani and alike are telling us that Morocco is democracy. They have no shame and they even try to convince and convert those who live in the states who are exposed to real democracy.
You've got my drift. There are those who still live in Hassan IIs era, the era of lies and deception, the era where no one could even criticize merda.
Not willing to accept that we live in the 21st century when the internet cannot allow them to sweep their ill doing under the carpet. Look at this chitaini, the only time he shows up is to try to make me look like the one who wants Morocco to flank, not aware that he does not do Morocco good when he and those like him do not do Morocco a favor by accepting that the King of Morocco is a Godly creature.
This man is going after those like you and me who want real change not a fake Constitution. All those F20 leaders are now in prison and chitani and alike are telling us that Morocco is democracy. They have no shame and they even try to convince and convert those who live in the states who are exposed to real democracy.
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#18
It all started with —
2012-10-30 19:08
an article by Mr Massiky,
Someone who always writes about the same subject, maybe because he feels comfortable talking about things he knows, he brings up the latest updates and was never proven wrong on his facts.
And this time again, Mr. Massiky was reporting on Mali, and how the stability of this country, or rather the lack of it, become an interesting moment in a US presidential debate.
We all saw the debate, and Mr. Massiky didn't make up his facts or photo-shop them...
Also, in his analysis, Mr. Massiky mentioned how France is preparing to get involved, directly, in the Sahel, another fact, with Algerian support.
Some of us, unable to see the big picture, are trying to kill the messenger, and deviate the discussion...
The French involvement in the Sahel didn't start now, we all remember how France Special Ops humiliated the Gaddafi army in Tchad. France is also very involved in Niger (Uranium) and in Mali, but not its military, and not at the level they would like to.
The Algerians used to resist any French involvement in its southern neighbors, but the last events in Mali, and the chaos that is already submerging that whole country might have given Algeria more than one reason to rethink its position... at least this is what the last reports seem to indicate, even in Algerian newspapers...
The fact is that, we need to keep in mind that in politics, everything is on the table, after all, it is Algerian who gave up Gaddafi's location to NATO, and the rest is history...
Someone who always writes about the same subject, maybe because he feels comfortable talking about things he knows, he brings up the latest updates and was never proven wrong on his facts.
And this time again, Mr. Massiky was reporting on Mali, and how the stability of this country, or rather the lack of it, become an interesting moment in a US presidential debate.
We all saw the debate, and Mr. Massiky didn't make up his facts or photo-shop them...
Also, in his analysis, Mr. Massiky mentioned how France is preparing to get involved, directly, in the Sahel, another fact, with Algerian support.
Some of us, unable to see the big picture, are trying to kill the messenger, and deviate the discussion...
The French involvement in the Sahel didn't start now, we all remember how France Special Ops humiliated the Gaddafi army in Tchad. France is also very involved in Niger (Uranium) and in Mali, but not its military, and not at the level they would like to.
The Algerians used to resist any French involvement in its southern neighbors, but the last events in Mali, and the chaos that is already submerging that whole country might have given Algeria more than one reason to rethink its position... at least this is what the last reports seem to indicate, even in Algerian newspapers...
The fact is that, we need to keep in mind that in politics, everything is on the table, after all, it is Algerian who gave up Gaddafi's location to NATO, and the rest is history...
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#19
Morcelli Exposed :+) —
2012-10-30 20:26
Mr Bourezza
You are absolutely right I noticed that as well and truer words couldn't have been spoken .They pretend to be Moroccans and start bashing our country .
I can't imagine how some people can just have so much hate and evil in them to just spend it on other countries websites bashing .
God have mercy over your souls .It must suck being that miserable .
But you know its also our fault because we allow them to .Free Insults and such should be banned from respectful websites .
You are right Morcelli Algerians are very tough especially with women and little innocent kids.Go read all about it .
Mr Chtaini ,
they have no interesting culture ( inferiority complex)only Junta culture and they hate the fact that we have a culture that is much richer and a king that is truly dedicated to his people .
Did you see how 22% of their mail gets lost ?? Good grief !!
You are absolutely right I noticed that as well and truer words couldn't have been spoken .They pretend to be Moroccans and start bashing our country .
I can't imagine how some people can just have so much hate and evil in them to just spend it on other countries websites bashing .
God have mercy over your souls .It must suck being that miserable .
But you know its also our fault because we allow them to .Free Insults and such should be banned from respectful websites .
You are right Morcelli Algerians are very tough especially with women and little innocent kids.Go read all about it .
Mr Chtaini ,
they have no interesting culture ( inferiority complex)only Junta culture and they hate the fact that we have a culture that is much richer and a king that is truly dedicated to his people .
Did you see how 22% of their mail gets lost ?? Good grief !!
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#20
@CHTAINI —
2012-10-31 06:27
Well said chtaini and spot on . you made your point . We need to move on now and keep MB a friendly and civilised forum for all Moroccans and watch out for those sneaky Algerians who are lurking around us like sharks
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#21
Enough of their Lies and Damn Lies —
2012-11-01 08:17
To prove my point about the presence of the Algerian military junta's footsoldiers in all Moroccan forums and beyond, just check out the link below. It is from the British newspaper the Guardian.
They are reporting on surfing in Morocco with a nice video. Minutes later the Algerian propagandists jumped on it like hyeanas to question whether tourists should surf in Moroccan Sahara or not.
By the way, the moderator cleaned some of their mess. It stinks to high heaven.
Here is the link. Judge for yourself.
guardian.co.uk/.../...
They are reporting on surfing in Morocco with a nice video. Minutes later the Algerian propagandists jumped on it like hyeanas to question whether tourists should surf in Moroccan Sahara or not.
By the way, the moderator cleaned some of their mess. It stinks to high heaven.
Here is the link. Judge for yourself.
guardian.co.uk/.../...
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#22
@bourissa —
2012-11-01 12:39
And to add to your point , i know from experience that EVERY Algerian crook / thieve and rapist when caught abroad first thing they say is they are MOROCCAN , last year an old Algerian woman was caught stealing in Macca during the Hadj , again she said she was Moroccan ,when she was confronted by some real Moroccans , she just laughed it off. This is Algerian state sponsored terror against Morocco and Moroccans but i am glad this has started to be noticed and talked about.
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#23
One Two Three viva l'algerie :))) —
2012-11-01 15:14
These are not my words : “Morocco isn’t a democracy, but the Arab Spring has brought some real progress. All this is a revolution for the country,” said Mustafa Ramid
I am not a big fan of the minister of Justice of Morocco - especially when he set free the dude who rape a girl and married her and then she killed herself - but you cannot help and appreciate his frankness. He said it best, Morocco is not a democracy, as some oldies and some married to Saudis here want you to believe.
This is a good Article from le monde diplomatique and if you care about Morocco you should read it
mondediplo.com/2012/11/04morocco
And after you read it, go ahead and call me the proud Algerian, at least as an Algerian, I do not have to be forced to kiss some royal kid's hand at the zoo.
Do you people realize that kissing people's hands is the lowest of low?
Do you realize that your king is a billionaire and his illiterate subjects are starving to death?
Do you realize that the royal family is enjoying those billions while your king going to the middle east GCC to beg for cash?
Do you realize that 60% of young people in Morocco are jobless while the royals are walking on red carpets?
I am not asking for Morocco to turn to another Libya, Egypt, Yemen, or Tunisia. I am just saying stop the crap, and stop telling us that Morocco is a democracy?
This is not qal3at sraghna , souq 3awa, or Wednesday bnat jarrar, this is the United States of America, the land of the free and home of the brave.
If you love Morocco, then say it the way it is, don't start the MAP or le matin du sahara thing or worse the RTM, remember Mustapha Al alaoui?
Now let's go back to the debate, Clinton went to Algeria to see if she can get the Algerians on board, well it does not look like she got anything back from the Algerians, yes the Algerians will go with the flow but they will not participate with a single soldier, It is decided that those poor Africans will be doing the job for France and the US for few sacs of wheat and few bottles of water. Algeria will instead get US and France weapons that they might hand it to the Polisario. After all the Polisario is zero without the Algerians.
Remember Algeria will never need any weapons, because Morocco, Tunisia and Libya will never declare war on Algeria.
As you can see Moroccan diplomacy sucks, they act as the US and France puppet, and get nothing in return, other than the neutrality of the US in regard to the Sahara. Algeria will do nothing and will get the respect of the US.
BTW, why is President Hollande visiting proud Algeria first? Why is it that Morocco gets nothing for everything it does for these superpowers?
Are we that sucky??????
I am not a big fan of the minister of Justice of Morocco - especially when he set free the dude who rape a girl and married her and then she killed herself - but you cannot help and appreciate his frankness. He said it best, Morocco is not a democracy, as some oldies and some married to Saudis here want you to believe.
This is a good Article from le monde diplomatique and if you care about Morocco you should read it
mondediplo.com/2012/11/04morocco
And after you read it, go ahead and call me the proud Algerian, at least as an Algerian, I do not have to be forced to kiss some royal kid's hand at the zoo.
Do you people realize that kissing people's hands is the lowest of low?
Do you realize that your king is a billionaire and his illiterate subjects are starving to death?
Do you realize that the royal family is enjoying those billions while your king going to the middle east GCC to beg for cash?
Do you realize that 60% of young people in Morocco are jobless while the royals are walking on red carpets?
I am not asking for Morocco to turn to another Libya, Egypt, Yemen, or Tunisia. I am just saying stop the crap, and stop telling us that Morocco is a democracy?
This is not qal3at sraghna , souq 3awa, or Wednesday bnat jarrar, this is the United States of America, the land of the free and home of the brave.
If you love Morocco, then say it the way it is, don't start the MAP or le matin du sahara thing or worse the RTM, remember Mustapha Al alaoui?
Now let's go back to the debate, Clinton went to Algeria to see if she can get the Algerians on board, well it does not look like she got anything back from the Algerians, yes the Algerians will go with the flow but they will not participate with a single soldier, It is decided that those poor Africans will be doing the job for France and the US for few sacs of wheat and few bottles of water. Algeria will instead get US and France weapons that they might hand it to the Polisario. After all the Polisario is zero without the Algerians.
Remember Algeria will never need any weapons, because Morocco, Tunisia and Libya will never declare war on Algeria.
As you can see Moroccan diplomacy sucks, they act as the US and France puppet, and get nothing in return, other than the neutrality of the US in regard to the Sahara. Algeria will do nothing and will get the respect of the US.
BTW, why is President Hollande visiting proud Algeria first? Why is it that Morocco gets nothing for everything it does for these superpowers?
Are we that sucky??????
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#24
@ morcelli —
2012-11-01 17:01
You keep mentioning ,some moroccan ladies marry Saudi men!!! Can i ask you , how did you manage to get your green card ?, hope the lady wasnt over 85 years old . please dont take this to heart , i gathered that you are a bit sensitive. greetings from sunny Tetouan.
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#25
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-01 22:22
ok ok I now know the answer to my question about the French president visiting Algeria first.
The Algerian Air Force (AAF) is said to be discussing with Algerian President Abdulaziz Bouteflika the possibility of buying the French Dassault Rafale aircraft.
Well at least the Algerians have the 10 billions to spare.
The Algerian Air Force (AAF) is said to be discussing with Algerian President Abdulaziz Bouteflika the possibility of buying the French Dassault Rafale aircraft.
Well at least the Algerians have the 10 billions to spare.
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#26
Good for you but still —
2012-11-01 23:46
Morcelli just said that Algerians have the habit of saying what they mean and the guy just basically lied twice on the same page by saying that he is not Algerian ??!!You must be real proud, I can see that :+)
Our king is one of the most of not the most popular king on the planet and the USA and France are our true friends and allies and will always be !!
We treat each other with respect so you can just keep your " Puppet " talk to yourself .
Moreover I see no humiliation in kissing the kings hand or being a Kings subject just like an Englishman or woman is proud to be a subject of the Queen.At least we are not subjects of a Putshist junta .
Talk about the blind leading someone with astigmatism.
Let's be clear that if you are not our friends (Algerians on this website) then I guess you can only be the other option .
I hope the world knows the truth about your evil conniving junta that is been embezzeling all of the countries money in financing mayhem everywhere and repressing its people big time !And everyone is talking about Burma , You have Burma right there in Algeria .
Look at this website and you will read all about the repression and how they treat human right activists and all the comments from decent people who feel helpless in this regime
lequotidienalgerie.org/
Should anyone not understand French I am sure there are some softwares that can help you translate the page.
They are just not doing no good for anybody and please stop talking in the name of Sahraouis to try to divide other nations when you repress your people the way you do if that is not the ultimate hypocrisy then I don't what is .
And I totally agree lets keep this forum civilized .
I would also like to send our best wishes for the victims of this devastating hurricane in these difficult times .I am sure New Yorkers and New Jerseyans will get through it just fine seeing that they are phoenixes and truly resilient people .
And to wrap this up on a positive note, Obama/Clinton 2012!!!!yeah :+)4 more years, 4 more years .
Our king is one of the most of not the most popular king on the planet and the USA and France are our true friends and allies and will always be !!
We treat each other with respect so you can just keep your " Puppet " talk to yourself .
Moreover I see no humiliation in kissing the kings hand or being a Kings subject just like an Englishman or woman is proud to be a subject of the Queen.At least we are not subjects of a Putshist junta .
Talk about the blind leading someone with astigmatism.
Let's be clear that if you are not our friends (Algerians on this website) then I guess you can only be the other option .
I hope the world knows the truth about your evil conniving junta that is been embezzeling all of the countries money in financing mayhem everywhere and repressing its people big time !And everyone is talking about Burma , You have Burma right there in Algeria .
Look at this website and you will read all about the repression and how they treat human right activists and all the comments from decent people who feel helpless in this regime
lequotidienalgerie.org/
Should anyone not understand French I am sure there are some softwares that can help you translate the page.
They are just not doing no good for anybody and please stop talking in the name of Sahraouis to try to divide other nations when you repress your people the way you do if that is not the ultimate hypocrisy then I don't what is .
And I totally agree lets keep this forum civilized .
I would also like to send our best wishes for the victims of this devastating hurricane in these difficult times .I am sure New Yorkers and New Jerseyans will get through it just fine seeing that they are phoenixes and truly resilient people .
And to wrap this up on a positive note, Obama/Clinton 2012!!!!yeah :+)4 more years, 4 more years .
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#27
Masiky is an Algerian in disguise —
2012-11-02 04:27
I bet even if Mr. Masiky started to be critical towards Morocco’s politics, there will be enough people on this forum to accuse him of being an Algerian :P When I discovered Morocco Board I was amazed how far some people could go to make their point against Algeria, I personally came here to see if I could discuss issues such as future of Maghreb and see if there were a single Moroccan who could think for himself, except maybe for very few exceptions I discovered individuals scared to death to utter single word of criticism against M6 while any Algerian can say whatever he/she wishes against Bouteflika, the generals... I discovered people who assume their role of slaves, I completely lost hope for building the future Maghreb with people with no stamina whatsoever - and please excuse me to say this, I came to the conclusion that Algeria will unite with other maghreban nations or in worse cases has to defeat the Makhzen -not the Moroccan people who is dear to Algerians - to build the Maghreb which was one of the purposes of Algerian glorious revolution. I do hope this site does not reflect the true Moroccan spirit.
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#28
...on the FACTS, HE GETS IT —
2012-11-02 05:24
Mr Massiky's article is a very "a-propos" piece of journalism, anyone, including Moroccans and Algerians, should recognize that he got the facts right...
Mali and the whole Sahel stability has become a real concern in international politics, a quick look at international news media reinforces this FACT, you can check the links I provide below, the new yorker, the Guardian, the Daily Star, LA times and many others (google it) are talking about it...
newyorker.com/.../...
guardian.co.uk/.../...
latimesblogs.latimes.com/.../. ..
dailystar.com.lb/.../...
The focus in those articles is on the expected French intervention in Mali and some of them mention the Algerian role and the need for Algeria to join the international effort in stabilizing Mali.
Algerians know this and will do whatever benefits them, just like when they gave up Gaddafi's location to the NATO, only to get him killed hours later ... and just like when President Bouteflika told a US General that if he was in Moubarak's situation, he too would have closed the tunnels between Sinaa and Gaza... check wiki-leaks if you don't buy it... unless you are one of those who only believe wiki-leaks (or any other source) when it trashes Morocco...
Mali is becoming a real headache for Algeria as well, if they do nothing, they might end up paying for it later, the kidnapping of aid workers from Tindouf is an example, but more importantly, their own war against terrorism and all the gains they made lately might be at risk, if Al Qaeda is able to secure the North of Mali, and use as a base for their attacks in algeria...
The big picture here is that the Algerian dream of a Vast and Strong Algeria in the middle of small and weak nations is becoming a nightmare, since small and weak nations tend to be easily destabilized, and little did they know, instability likes companionship...
You can agree or disagree with Massiky's approach, but on the FACTS, HE GETS IT... on the BIG PICTURE, HE GETS IT
Mali and the whole Sahel stability has become a real concern in international politics, a quick look at international news media reinforces this FACT, you can check the links I provide below, the new yorker, the Guardian, the Daily Star, LA times and many others (google it) are talking about it...
newyorker.com/.../...
guardian.co.uk/.../...
latimesblogs.latimes.com/.../. ..
dailystar.com.lb/.../...
The focus in those articles is on the expected French intervention in Mali and some of them mention the Algerian role and the need for Algeria to join the international effort in stabilizing Mali.
Algerians know this and will do whatever benefits them, just like when they gave up Gaddafi's location to the NATO, only to get him killed hours later ... and just like when President Bouteflika told a US General that if he was in Moubarak's situation, he too would have closed the tunnels between Sinaa and Gaza... check wiki-leaks if you don't buy it... unless you are one of those who only believe wiki-leaks (or any other source) when it trashes Morocco...
Mali is becoming a real headache for Algeria as well, if they do nothing, they might end up paying for it later, the kidnapping of aid workers from Tindouf is an example, but more importantly, their own war against terrorism and all the gains they made lately might be at risk, if Al Qaeda is able to secure the North of Mali, and use as a base for their attacks in algeria...
The big picture here is that the Algerian dream of a Vast and Strong Algeria in the middle of small and weak nations is becoming a nightmare, since small and weak nations tend to be easily destabilized, and little did they know, instability likes companionship...
You can agree or disagree with Massiky's approach, but on the FACTS, HE GETS IT... on the BIG PICTURE, HE GETS IT
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#29
The few, the proud, the Algerians —
2012-11-02 11:43
Nellia,
You are a girl, I don't like to argue with girls. First you asked us about the Moroccan identity card and I was kind to fill you in, then you turn into a nasty girl and asked me if I am Algerian, Worse you side Chitaini without the knowledge of your Saudi husband.
I want people to see post # 3 and #6.
I was minding my own business saying what I have been saying for years to my Morocco board friends, We agree and disagree all the time on many subjects then you and your friend Chitaini come after me, well guess what? you come after me, I'll make your old friend regret.
You are a girl, I am done with you sweetheart.
As for Obama thing, if I were you, I would probably want to Romney to win the elections, The republicans are much more friendly to Morocco and his king.
You are a girl, I don't like to argue with girls. First you asked us about the Moroccan identity card and I was kind to fill you in, then you turn into a nasty girl and asked me if I am Algerian, Worse you side Chitaini without the knowledge of your Saudi husband.
I want people to see post # 3 and #6.
I was minding my own business saying what I have been saying for years to my Morocco board friends, We agree and disagree all the time on many subjects then you and your friend Chitaini come after me, well guess what? you come after me, I'll make your old friend regret.
You are a girl, I am done with you sweetheart.
As for Obama thing, if I were you, I would probably want to Romney to win the elections, The republicans are much more friendly to Morocco and his king.
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#30
The Desert fox vs the Atlas lion —
2012-11-02 13:52
No one denies That Massiky is one of the most knowledgeable writer on this board and I really really really appreciate his contributions to MB. In my humble opinion, I think Mr Massiky can be valuable if he would just say it it the way it is:
He said: It was surprising to hear the Republican candidate Mitt Romney mention Mali during the last Presidential debate
No surprise there, Mali has become a terror hotbed since the coup d'etat and it is now taken over by the people that the US is fighting for a decade. Besides the debate was about foreign policy, I don't see any surprise in Romney mentioning Mali, He has advisers you know.
Governor Romney’s comments came on the heels of news that hundreds of armed militants from the Polisario camps in Algeria and Sudan have joined the ranks of Al-Qaeda affiliates in the Sahel, according to Agence France Press.
This is utterly not true no polisario were ever found fighting for Qaddafi nor were joining Al Qaida in Mali. If that was the case, the polisario thugs will be counting their days. The US will never ever tolerate that Algeria supports bunch of terrorists. Remember Bush said it best " you are either with us or with the Terrorists" . I understand that you are simply repeating AFP said, and that where we disagree, you are a smart knowledgeable person and i am sure that you know that the story is bogus, still, you are repeating here to make Algeria look bad
Algeria was “forced” to reverse its anti-military intervention stand. T
Not true, Algeria received a visit from Hillary Clinton, and apparently Clinton left empty handed, The Algerians are not against military intervention, but they will not participate with a single soldier. They are very capable of defending their own borders with American provided weaponry
If Massiky or anyone else could come up with something tangible that we can use against the butchers of North Africa, I am with you.
I am one of those who believe that we should only speak up against the enemy when we have something concrete to say.
middle-east-online.com/.../...
If you read the Algerian newspapers, you will realize that they too are still live in the Boumediane era, and if you read our newspapers we are not fairing any better.
Are we that bad? and they are that bad?
The only thing that explain this status quo for the last 38 years is they have the generals running the country with an iron fist and we have the makhzen and the king running the country with an iron fist. The real people a watching from the sideline with their mouth zipped or else......
He said: It was surprising to hear the Republican candidate Mitt Romney mention Mali during the last Presidential debate
No surprise there, Mali has become a terror hotbed since the coup d'etat and it is now taken over by the people that the US is fighting for a decade. Besides the debate was about foreign policy, I don't see any surprise in Romney mentioning Mali, He has advisers you know.
Governor Romney’s comments came on the heels of news that hundreds of armed militants from the Polisario camps in Algeria and Sudan have joined the ranks of Al-Qaeda affiliates in the Sahel, according to Agence France Press.
This is utterly not true no polisario were ever found fighting for Qaddafi nor were joining Al Qaida in Mali. If that was the case, the polisario thugs will be counting their days. The US will never ever tolerate that Algeria supports bunch of terrorists. Remember Bush said it best " you are either with us or with the Terrorists" . I understand that you are simply repeating AFP said, and that where we disagree, you are a smart knowledgeable person and i am sure that you know that the story is bogus, still, you are repeating here to make Algeria look bad
Algeria was “forced” to reverse its anti-military intervention stand. T
Not true, Algeria received a visit from Hillary Clinton, and apparently Clinton left empty handed, The Algerians are not against military intervention, but they will not participate with a single soldier. They are very capable of defending their own borders with American provided weaponry
If Massiky or anyone else could come up with something tangible that we can use against the butchers of North Africa, I am with you.
I am one of those who believe that we should only speak up against the enemy when we have something concrete to say.
middle-east-online.com/.../...
If you read the Algerian newspapers, you will realize that they too are still live in the Boumediane era, and if you read our newspapers we are not fairing any better.
Are we that bad? and they are that bad?
The only thing that explain this status quo for the last 38 years is they have the generals running the country with an iron fist and we have the makhzen and the king running the country with an iron fist. The real people a watching from the sideline with their mouth zipped or else......
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#31
whatever —
2012-11-02 18:37
You don't seem to be anywhere near humble ,I find you to be pretty condescending ,arrogant and I don't like it when people do not pay proper respect to the elderly in that case our grandpa Chtaini:+)
Both Republicans and Democrats are friendly to Morocco in their own way so don't even go there and If I vote I usually go by the candidate personality .I can't bring myself to vote for someone that flip flops on his principles whenever its convenient or inconvenient .
Both Republicans and Democrats are friendly to Morocco in their own way so don't even go there and If I vote I usually go by the candidate personality .I can't bring myself to vote for someone that flip flops on his principles whenever its convenient or inconvenient .
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#32
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-02 22:30
See I don't have a problem with you calling me pretty condescending and arrogant but when you try to make me Algerian because I am not Makhzen friendly that's something I too don't like. Not because I don't like Algerians but because that is a mean spirited tactic. Remember Driss Lbasri? he used the same tactic against Abraham Serfaty and made him Brazilian to strip him of his Moroccan citizenship.
As for gran pa, he thinks that either his way or the highway not paying attention that this is the Great land of the USA where we can differ but we still respect each other not spying on my comments. He made 3 comments in the last few months , One to tell people to send him their real name and email to help them with the Moroccan government to get cheaper tickets with La ram and the other 2 comments were about how "bad" I am. It seems to me that I am his target in this board.
As for Obama I think he's going to win, he is ahead in the toss up states and he seems to have electoral college sealed.
Here is what Morocco got with a republican president:
Free trade agreement
Awarded the Millennium challenge
Support for the autonomy " serious and credible"
Non nato ally
With Obama we got Christopher Ross, Hillary clinton supported him and pressured the Moroccans to continue working with him. Christopher Ross was United States Ambassador to Algeria. In office 1988–1991 and who the Moroccan calls biased and unbalanced.
I am a registered democrat and not a big fan of republicans war mongers but sometimes you have to go with who is good for the US AND Morocco.
As for gran pa, he thinks that either his way or the highway not paying attention that this is the Great land of the USA where we can differ but we still respect each other not spying on my comments. He made 3 comments in the last few months , One to tell people to send him their real name and email to help them with the Moroccan government to get cheaper tickets with La ram and the other 2 comments were about how "bad" I am. It seems to me that I am his target in this board.
As for Obama I think he's going to win, he is ahead in the toss up states and he seems to have electoral college sealed.
Here is what Morocco got with a republican president:
Free trade agreement
Awarded the Millennium challenge
Support for the autonomy " serious and credible"
Non nato ally
With Obama we got Christopher Ross, Hillary clinton supported him and pressured the Moroccans to continue working with him. Christopher Ross was United States Ambassador to Algeria. In office 1988–1991 and who the Moroccan calls biased and unbalanced.
I am a registered democrat and not a big fan of republicans war mongers but sometimes you have to go with who is good for the US AND Morocco.
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#33
Geand Pa —
2012-11-03 13:32
The dude who claims to be proud has nothing to be proud about, let us see how proud he will be if MB stop posting his “sottises”. I can assure you that he will get down to earth on his knees and start begging for his nasty comments to be posted. I do not believe that Algeria has the power to impose this dude on MB because this a country of choice based on rational communication among rational people. The dude is far from being rational. He claims to be modern, but I believe that he would flank the test of the characteristic of a modern man and these are: Rationality, calculability, punctuality, individuality and ability to use the scientific method for problem resolution. He has none of these characteristics . All he knows how to do is bash Morocco all night long and all day long. I wonder if he is paid for doing it. I do not believe that the MB should be restrictive, but if the dude wants to bash anyone or anything let him bash Algeria on an Algerian post site. I would like to know what he thinks of Algeria. The dude is a “déracine” and will continue to be vocally violent through his comments towards the Kingdom of Morocco because he is unable to be vocally violent against what oppresses him and denies him his wholesomeness, the Algerian Regime..
In his analysis of the condition in which our brothers and sisters in Algeria have gone through to gain their independence, Franz Fanon saw no solution to the Algerian people déracinement by the French colons which dehumanized the Algerian people to the point where knives, razor blades and punches where used for any conflict small or big between Algerians. The Algerian people were so oppressed by the French colons and the OAS (Organization de l’Armée Secrete) that any conflict between Algerians during that time could easily reach the verbal violence before the physical violence. An oppressed Algerian was always ready to “Ndbah Raboo” as the vocal violence being the prelude to physical violence ending in a fratricidal behavior.
Why were our brothers and sisters in Algeria dehumanized to that level by the French colon? In the theory of violence which starts with the first level which is verbal violence both oppressed antagonists want to show and feel that they are less oppressed that their antagonist especially if the physically harmed opponent goes to the morgue and the killer goes to jail The second level of violence is the physical one which is based on saving the face and may lead to murder with a razor, a knife or anything that can be used to kill the opponent. The third level of violence is pedophile behavior in Jail during colonialism where as songs like these have been written to describe the pedophile nature of the rape and forced sodomy on the weaker Algerian in jail by the voyous” The song goes this way”Allah ydzair rouhi ntahair, wal legleb lee aashakat rani naekwih, daaawat Ilslam zadou el anbia , ou gaa le taada rani nah…” The song goes on with pedophile insinuations. The fifth level of violence is the physical violence emanating from conscience awakening to stop all this dehumanization non sense which engulfed our Algerian brothers and sisters like a spider web’. Frans Fanon in his writing has stated on this issue that the only way for change to occur in Algeria is when the first become last and the last become first. Take the case of Ali La Pointe” an unforgettable hero of the Algerian Revolution. You remember him in the Portocorvo film on “La Bataille d’Alger” He was a street peddler of the rigged 3 carte game in Alger and a very physically violent person.. Conscience awakening had made him to be among the most internationally admired hero of the Algerian revolution. He was a déracine: but he freed himself from that yoke and sought to sacrifice his life for the freedom of Algeria. He was not a spectator telling on the side line “One, Two,Three,Viva l’Argerie”.
Do you think Morocco and Tunisia and Egypt played a major role in this Conscience awakening? Damn right they did.
In his analysis of the condition in which our brothers and sisters in Algeria have gone through to gain their independence, Franz Fanon saw no solution to the Algerian people déracinement by the French colons which dehumanized the Algerian people to the point where knives, razor blades and punches where used for any conflict small or big between Algerians. The Algerian people were so oppressed by the French colons and the OAS (Organization de l’Armée Secrete) that any conflict between Algerians during that time could easily reach the verbal violence before the physical violence. An oppressed Algerian was always ready to “Ndbah Raboo” as the vocal violence being the prelude to physical violence ending in a fratricidal behavior.
Why were our brothers and sisters in Algeria dehumanized to that level by the French colon? In the theory of violence which starts with the first level which is verbal violence both oppressed antagonists want to show and feel that they are less oppressed that their antagonist especially if the physically harmed opponent goes to the morgue and the killer goes to jail The second level of violence is the physical one which is based on saving the face and may lead to murder with a razor, a knife or anything that can be used to kill the opponent. The third level of violence is pedophile behavior in Jail during colonialism where as songs like these have been written to describe the pedophile nature of the rape and forced sodomy on the weaker Algerian in jail by the voyous” The song goes this way”Allah ydzair rouhi ntahair, wal legleb lee aashakat rani naekwih, daaawat Ilslam zadou el anbia , ou gaa le taada rani nah…” The song goes on with pedophile insinuations. The fifth level of violence is the physical violence emanating from conscience awakening to stop all this dehumanization non sense which engulfed our Algerian brothers and sisters like a spider web’. Frans Fanon in his writing has stated on this issue that the only way for change to occur in Algeria is when the first become last and the last become first. Take the case of Ali La Pointe” an unforgettable hero of the Algerian Revolution. You remember him in the Portocorvo film on “La Bataille d’Alger” He was a street peddler of the rigged 3 carte game in Alger and a very physically violent person.. Conscience awakening had made him to be among the most internationally admired hero of the Algerian revolution. He was a déracine: but he freed himself from that yoke and sought to sacrifice his life for the freedom of Algeria. He was not a spectator telling on the side line “One, Two,Three,Viva l’Argerie”.
Do you think Morocco and Tunisia and Egypt played a major role in this Conscience awakening? Damn right they did.
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#34
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-03 13:56
MB I hope you will post this comment.
Nellia, I am not republican at all but all the presidents who were democrats sucked in supporting Morocco in any means, from carter to obama, if Obama gets elected he will be a nightmare for the Moroccan policy in reference to the Moroccan Sahara and any other policy, Obama respect and back up Algerian policies in every shape and form. I will give you example of what republicans and democrats did for morocco.
What Bush and republicans did for Morocco:
*Millennium challenge grant to morocco of $700 million dollars.
* US allied non NATO giving to morocco all the military equipment and high tech without restriction.
* Free trade agreement.
* F16 and all the goodies at a discount of 1.5 billion dollars thanks to Condi Rice who personally negotiate with Lockheed Martin and blew the French deal,
* Supporting the Moroccan Autonomy plan publically not only by the state department in the US but also in Algiers when Condi Rice visited Algeria. She did not make any bones about it,
* The pull out of James Baker when he offended morocco in proposing a referdum after 5 years of autonomy even when he was a former secretary of state and close friend of the Bush's and Cheney's.
* Decision, making morocco with Israel to be the first to choose any high tech weapons from the Iraqi fields when the Us will pull out, that’s why morocco made actually a deal of purchasing 200 M1A2 Abrahams tanks for nothing.
* Other areas that were never talked about. The help with nuclear in maamora by GE, Us diplomacy in service of morocco in reference to the sahara.They were the only ones who put the junta in their place. And other more project that nobody talked about.
Now let's go to Democrats and specially Obama.
*Congratulate the king on Independence Day and the Moroccans.
* Put Christopher Ross and backed him in.
*Hillary did all her best she can.
*Gave more power and respect to the Algerian junta. Now I am telling you what will he do if he is reelected, he will drop morocco and make Algeria as a real allied and even more he will sell her the F18 super hornet that the junta always dreamed about in the name of the economy growth and put Morocco in a very bad situation diplomatically concerning our Sahara. Obama he is not going to do anything for Morocco zilch.......... ... And the sad thing I might vote for him.
Nellia, I am not republican at all but all the presidents who were democrats sucked in supporting Morocco in any means, from carter to obama, if Obama gets elected he will be a nightmare for the Moroccan policy in reference to the Moroccan Sahara and any other policy, Obama respect and back up Algerian policies in every shape and form. I will give you example of what republicans and democrats did for morocco.
What Bush and republicans did for Morocco:
*Millennium challenge grant to morocco of $700 million dollars.
* US allied non NATO giving to morocco all the military equipment and high tech without restriction.
* Free trade agreement.
* F16 and all the goodies at a discount of 1.5 billion dollars thanks to Condi Rice who personally negotiate with Lockheed Martin and blew the French deal,
* Supporting the Moroccan Autonomy plan publically not only by the state department in the US but also in Algiers when Condi Rice visited Algeria. She did not make any bones about it,
* The pull out of James Baker when he offended morocco in proposing a referdum after 5 years of autonomy even when he was a former secretary of state and close friend of the Bush's and Cheney's.
* Decision, making morocco with Israel to be the first to choose any high tech weapons from the Iraqi fields when the Us will pull out, that’s why morocco made actually a deal of purchasing 200 M1A2 Abrahams tanks for nothing.
* Other areas that were never talked about. The help with nuclear in maamora by GE, Us diplomacy in service of morocco in reference to the sahara.They were the only ones who put the junta in their place. And other more project that nobody talked about.
Now let's go to Democrats and specially Obama.
*Congratulate the king on Independence Day and the Moroccans.
* Put Christopher Ross and backed him in.
*Hillary did all her best she can.
*Gave more power and respect to the Algerian junta. Now I am telling you what will he do if he is reelected, he will drop morocco and make Algeria as a real allied and even more he will sell her the F18 super hornet that the junta always dreamed about in the name of the economy growth and put Morocco in a very bad situation diplomatically concerning our Sahara. Obama he is not going to do anything for Morocco zilch.......... ... And the sad thing I might vote for him.
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#35
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-03 18:45
Chtani,
You can bad mouth Algeria all you want but lets stick to facts.
-Algeria liberated every inch of its land plus sum if you know what i mean. Compare that to the Moroccan situation and the Maadnous episode as an example.
- Shame on you to use "pedophile insinuations" to describe our martyrs, you should maybe to do some research and tell us why MOrocco has become the Mecca of pedophiles in the world.
-Its amazing the level of hate Moroccans residing in North America have toward anything related to Algeria.
You guys should check your facts, Algeria is not the one asking or begging day and night for the borders to be open, yes we do get it, you guys hate us, but please stop asking for the borders to be open.
The Borders were opened in the early 90's and Morocco was making Beaucoup mOney and the eastern provinces were booming:-) Well
Morocco started it by falsely accusing DRS, imposing visa not only on Algerian citizens, but on every person of Algerian origins and expelled Algerian tourists in a very humiliating way.
Well if you guys were brave enough to takes these measures you should be brave enough to take the Algerian response.
At the risk of repeating my self, unless Algeria gets something in return, the borders will never be open:-)
Yes, we are violent.....etc . call us whatever you want, but for the love of god, leave us alone.
-With all due respect, Moroccans that post in this forum live somewhere in N. America and think that MOrocco is switzerland and Algeria is Somalia.
Wake up people!! As a matter of fact Algeria scores better than Morocco in all aspects, from life expectancy, literacy and infant mortality rates all the way to GDP per Capita.
In the human development index, Algeria is number 100, while Morocco is number 127, well behind the likes of Vietnam and Botswana, in fact you guys are much better off living in Palestine.
These are all facts that you can verify and not simple wishful thinking.
-Finally, i am sure that a lot of American Politicians have a great deal of sympathy toward Morocco, but The US has to look after its own interests after all, What does Morocco has to offer to the US.? Nothing!1
Again, why are you guys trying to make Algeria to be the great Evil:-) Morocco problems are with Polisario, Morocco signed a cease fire in 1991 (not 89) with Polisario, and by signing that documents it officially admitted that the other side is Polisarion and not.......Algeria.
Lies and denial will only get you so far again, any resolution to the W .Sahara problem will have to go through 91referendum or the modified version as described in Baker I &II.
If the W.Sahara was such an indivisible part of Morocco, why you gave half of it to Mauritania in the 70's, If you believed so strongly in such claim, why you agreed for independence to be an option in the cease fire agreement?
The Moroccan strategy in regard to The Western Sahara is simple
and can be summarize in the following saying "“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
You can bad mouth Algeria all you want but lets stick to facts.
-Algeria liberated every inch of its land plus sum if you know what i mean. Compare that to the Moroccan situation and the Maadnous episode as an example.
- Shame on you to use "pedophile insinuations" to describe our martyrs, you should maybe to do some research and tell us why MOrocco has become the Mecca of pedophiles in the world.
-Its amazing the level of hate Moroccans residing in North America have toward anything related to Algeria.
You guys should check your facts, Algeria is not the one asking or begging day and night for the borders to be open, yes we do get it, you guys hate us, but please stop asking for the borders to be open.
The Borders were opened in the early 90's and Morocco was making Beaucoup mOney and the eastern provinces were booming:-) Well
Morocco started it by falsely accusing DRS, imposing visa not only on Algerian citizens, but on every person of Algerian origins and expelled Algerian tourists in a very humiliating way.
Well if you guys were brave enough to takes these measures you should be brave enough to take the Algerian response.
At the risk of repeating my self, unless Algeria gets something in return, the borders will never be open:-)
Yes, we are violent.....etc . call us whatever you want, but for the love of god, leave us alone.
-With all due respect, Moroccans that post in this forum live somewhere in N. America and think that MOrocco is switzerland and Algeria is Somalia.
Wake up people!! As a matter of fact Algeria scores better than Morocco in all aspects, from life expectancy, literacy and infant mortality rates all the way to GDP per Capita.
In the human development index, Algeria is number 100, while Morocco is number 127, well behind the likes of Vietnam and Botswana, in fact you guys are much better off living in Palestine.
These are all facts that you can verify and not simple wishful thinking.
-Finally, i am sure that a lot of American Politicians have a great deal of sympathy toward Morocco, but The US has to look after its own interests after all, What does Morocco has to offer to the US.? Nothing!1
Again, why are you guys trying to make Algeria to be the great Evil:-) Morocco problems are with Polisario, Morocco signed a cease fire in 1991 (not 89) with Polisario, and by signing that documents it officially admitted that the other side is Polisarion and not.......Algeria.
Lies and denial will only get you so far again, any resolution to the W .Sahara problem will have to go through 91referendum or the modified version as described in Baker I &II.
If the W.Sahara was such an indivisible part of Morocco, why you gave half of it to Mauritania in the 70's, If you believed so strongly in such claim, why you agreed for independence to be an option in the cease fire agreement?
The Moroccan strategy in regard to The Western Sahara is simple
and can be summarize in the following saying "“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”
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#36
Make your posts SHORT! —
2012-11-03 21:21
I Don't read long posts. I have the attention span of a Marrakesh debana!
And I know I am not missing much.
Can we stop being Moroccans on this board for a second? As in no one want to read the endless crapola that some of you Moroccans tend to feel entitled to spew?
Moroccans'major contribution to this environment, as far as I am concerned, is nothing but hot air! Smelly, stinking hot air! been to Derb Ghalef Lately? As smelly as ever!
Vote Obama, and make the world a better place! Vote Romney, and make Derb Ghalef even slinkier! As if that could be possible!
Yeah Morcelli will vote for Romney. He is Algerian after all. (maybe) And he dreams of Republicans zombies marching into Dakhla , and Marines invading Tindouf with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders pompowing the Moroccan Reclamation of our Sahara! I am so damn confused now: Who's on our side again for the made-up- Sahara issue? We are on our own buddy! We are our worse enemy here.
Give me a break! Moroccans could give a toba's derriere about your precious Sahara. It's all about survival. And no one knows more about survival than BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
And I know I am not missing much.
Can we stop being Moroccans on this board for a second? As in no one want to read the endless crapola that some of you Moroccans tend to feel entitled to spew?
Moroccans'major contribution to this environment, as far as I am concerned, is nothing but hot air! Smelly, stinking hot air! been to Derb Ghalef Lately? As smelly as ever!
Vote Obama, and make the world a better place! Vote Romney, and make Derb Ghalef even slinkier! As if that could be possible!
Yeah Morcelli will vote for Romney. He is Algerian after all. (maybe) And he dreams of Republicans zombies marching into Dakhla , and Marines invading Tindouf with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders pompowing the Moroccan Reclamation of our Sahara! I am so damn confused now: Who's on our side again for the made-up- Sahara issue? We are on our own buddy! We are our worse enemy here.
Give me a break! Moroccans could give a toba's derriere about your precious Sahara. It's all about survival. And no one knows more about survival than BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
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#37
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-04 04:32
Again Mr Massiky was right on the facts,
There was an undoubted element of surprise in Romney bringing up Mali during the debate, twice, as evidenced by the rise in internet search for Mali (not Libya, not Syria, only Mali) on internet, just after the debate, as reported by many media outlets, including CNN. People can check this FACT, or, better yet, they can do THEIR HOMEWORK, and get their own statistics, at the source, on google trends, for example.
Mr Massiky was also right on the fact that Algeria is already reconsidering its position, and will certainly accommodate France plans for military involvement in Mali, but their support will be uniquely on logistics and intelligence gathering, given the long and deep “knowledge” that Algerian services seem to have when it comes to terrorism… there will be certainly no Algerian soldiers or equipment involved in the process, nobody asked for it, including France and Mali, and I am under the impression that nobody wants it; the Algerian military apparatus is not particularly highly-regarded in the Region, including in Algeria itself.
The Algerian regime has its “Antics”, but we shouldn’t be fooled, just like when they claimed they were against NATO involvement in Libya, yet, it didn’t stop them from handing over, to this same NATO, the location for Gaddafi, hours before he was captured then killed like a dog… so far for Algerian support…
Mr Massiky was also right in bringing up Polisario, and did report his source, the AFP; last I checked, that was one of the most prestigious and highly regarded news agencies in the world, but it seems that lately, the fashionable thing to do is to trash anything French…
Some of us buy this Algerian propaganda; they are welcome to share their comments, in a respectful way, without harassing the people who have their own mind and think for themselves… we can win from respecting each other
TO MB:
There is a comment by Algerian in here, a hateful piece of DRS propaganda, please don’t allow DRS agents to puke their hatred for everything Moroccan in our beloved forum; even more importantly, his bigoted comments have nothing to do with the article, and certainly don’t belong here… he is supporting the closed frontiers between Algeria and Morocco, it should be fair to keep him out of this MOROCCAN discussion platform...
There was an undoubted element of surprise in Romney bringing up Mali during the debate, twice, as evidenced by the rise in internet search for Mali (not Libya, not Syria, only Mali) on internet, just after the debate, as reported by many media outlets, including CNN. People can check this FACT, or, better yet, they can do THEIR HOMEWORK, and get their own statistics, at the source, on google trends, for example.
Mr Massiky was also right on the fact that Algeria is already reconsidering its position, and will certainly accommodate France plans for military involvement in Mali, but their support will be uniquely on logistics and intelligence gathering, given the long and deep “knowledge” that Algerian services seem to have when it comes to terrorism… there will be certainly no Algerian soldiers or equipment involved in the process, nobody asked for it, including France and Mali, and I am under the impression that nobody wants it; the Algerian military apparatus is not particularly highly-regarded in the Region, including in Algeria itself.
The Algerian regime has its “Antics”, but we shouldn’t be fooled, just like when they claimed they were against NATO involvement in Libya, yet, it didn’t stop them from handing over, to this same NATO, the location for Gaddafi, hours before he was captured then killed like a dog… so far for Algerian support…
Mr Massiky was also right in bringing up Polisario, and did report his source, the AFP; last I checked, that was one of the most prestigious and highly regarded news agencies in the world, but it seems that lately, the fashionable thing to do is to trash anything French…
Some of us buy this Algerian propaganda; they are welcome to share their comments, in a respectful way, without harassing the people who have their own mind and think for themselves… we can win from respecting each other
TO MB:
There is a comment by Algerian in here, a hateful piece of DRS propaganda, please don’t allow DRS agents to puke their hatred for everything Moroccan in our beloved forum; even more importantly, his bigoted comments have nothing to do with the article, and certainly don’t belong here… he is supporting the closed frontiers between Algeria and Morocco, it should be fair to keep him out of this MOROCCAN discussion platform...
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#38
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-04 11:31
Well Mr. algerien.I agree with some of your statement but also you need to come clean in recognizing the creation of hate by your junta and the FLN who started all this mass since 1975.You should be fair in your judgment like myself and some Mb members instead of been a porte parole of you know what I mean. Let’s start.
Morocco started it by falsely accusing DRS, imposing visa not only on Algerian citizens, but on every person of Algerian origins and expelled Algerian tourists in a very humiliating way .
You forgot that you and your junta expelled for no reason over 350000 Moroccans in response to the green march, your junta and government spoiled them from their land their belonging even their bank accounts, there are videos and movies proving it, so why you didn't brought that to balance your debate. That was the low of the low from your so call martyrs but I will give different etiquette, I will call them polpot regime mentality or even better the Khmer rouge mentality also how about that it is better than pedophile.Alger ien you are unique case study but easy to analyze due to your soviet state of mind who is getting outdated nowadays.
At the risk of repeating myself unless Algeria gets something in return, the borders will never be open :-)
Yes, we are violent.....etc . call us whatever you want, but for the love of god, leave us alone.
Getting in return what? Enlighten me, or maybe I can read you, may be you are asking for half of the Moroccan Sahara: D Finally you broke down and recognize that you guys are the mother of all violence,thank the MB for the good therapy that help you to be healthier mentally,at least MB served for something positive.
if the W.Sahara was such an indivisible part of Morocco, why you gave half of it to Mauritania in the 70's, If you believed so strongly in such claim, why you agreed for independence to be an option in the cease fire agreement?
The same thing you forgot to tell, and what I am about to say it is recorded in the UN and also taped, your dear president Boutef stated to James Baker that algeria will be happy to accept the Moroccan Sahara if morocco will give the half taken from Mauritania to the polizbel to create their own country, of course so in the future it will become a new wilaya for the junta. Also your hypocrisy can no longer be hidden when you stated I mean you(junta) to the US envoy that your policy been clear for 50 years that you never get involve with internal political affairs of other countries and you never help or use your army outside your borders, I am about to faint right now I better stop. One last think the US ambassador to your country in wikileaks called your great army and government a bunch of paranoia people, that summarize it. Next time algerien don't come here and dump your diarrhetic statement writing and corrected at the DRS office of tewfik medien.Be creative and free minded ,somebody well informed not fed ,somebody fair and just.
Morocco started it by falsely accusing DRS, imposing visa not only on Algerian citizens, but on every person of Algerian origins and expelled Algerian tourists in a very humiliating way .
You forgot that you and your junta expelled for no reason over 350000 Moroccans in response to the green march, your junta and government spoiled them from their land their belonging even their bank accounts, there are videos and movies proving it, so why you didn't brought that to balance your debate. That was the low of the low from your so call martyrs but I will give different etiquette, I will call them polpot regime mentality or even better the Khmer rouge mentality also how about that it is better than pedophile.Alger ien you are unique case study but easy to analyze due to your soviet state of mind who is getting outdated nowadays.
At the risk of repeating myself unless Algeria gets something in return, the borders will never be open :-)
Yes, we are violent.....etc . call us whatever you want, but for the love of god, leave us alone.
Getting in return what? Enlighten me, or maybe I can read you, may be you are asking for half of the Moroccan Sahara: D Finally you broke down and recognize that you guys are the mother of all violence,thank the MB for the good therapy that help you to be healthier mentally,at least MB served for something positive.
if the W.Sahara was such an indivisible part of Morocco, why you gave half of it to Mauritania in the 70's, If you believed so strongly in such claim, why you agreed for independence to be an option in the cease fire agreement?
The same thing you forgot to tell, and what I am about to say it is recorded in the UN and also taped, your dear president Boutef stated to James Baker that algeria will be happy to accept the Moroccan Sahara if morocco will give the half taken from Mauritania to the polizbel to create their own country, of course so in the future it will become a new wilaya for the junta. Also your hypocrisy can no longer be hidden when you stated I mean you(junta) to the US envoy that your policy been clear for 50 years that you never get involve with internal political affairs of other countries and you never help or use your army outside your borders, I am about to faint right now I better stop. One last think the US ambassador to your country in wikileaks called your great army and government a bunch of paranoia people, that summarize it. Next time algerien don't come here and dump your diarrhetic statement writing and corrected at the DRS office of tewfik medien.Be creative and free minded ,somebody well informed not fed ,somebody fair and just.
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#39
@ Algerian —
2012-11-04 13:37
Well well Mr ALgerian, all what you have just pucked is just load of rubbish. I dont live in N America , i live in Morocco and 99% of Moroccans do not wish to have any kind of relationship with you lot ( Dont believe in what the Moroccan gov is saying about the boarders , it is just a tactic to show how bad Algeria is ), we are better off without you lurking in our cities taking pictures with our fruites and veg!!! . If your beloved Algerian is heaven why for the love of Allah you are killing each other like flies . It always amaze me how does the Algerian brain works, believing in stupid old dated propaganda . you only have Oil and one day soon will run out then you will not kill eachother but you will eat eachother
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#40
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-04 17:24
Algerien this is another document proving you accepted the moroccan autonomy over the sahara by Benjdid but our makhzen lead by H2 turn it down ,oh the greedy makhzen
polisario-confidentiel.com/... /...
polisario-confidentiel.com/... /...
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#41
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-05 10:32
Haras,
As a frequent contributor to this Forum, i have never disrespected Morocco or Moroccans.
Do i have different views, sure I do , but that's what debating is all about, I do not interfere in Moroccan domestic politics because its simply none of my business, but when so many contribution are aimed at my beloved country, You bet you ......., ill have something to say about the matter, and if you dont like my contributions, you are always welcome to prove me wrong with facts and stats, but to call me a DRS agent as a counterargument is just ..........:)
The witch-hunting methods used by some members of this forum are just.......... Bizarre :)
Calling me a DRS agent, because you cannot prove me wrong is just low:) Calling Morecelli An Algerian because you do not agree with his views on Domestic Moroccan politics is just another form of "McCarthyism ".
So as someone who lives in the land of the free and the home of the brave, you should know better.
As a frequent contributor to this Forum, i have never disrespected Morocco or Moroccans.
Do i have different views, sure I do , but that's what debating is all about, I do not interfere in Moroccan domestic politics because its simply none of my business, but when so many contribution are aimed at my beloved country, You bet you ......., ill have something to say about the matter, and if you dont like my contributions, you are always welcome to prove me wrong with facts and stats, but to call me a DRS agent as a counterargument is just ..........:)
The witch-hunting methods used by some members of this forum are just.......... Bizarre :)
Calling me a DRS agent, because you cannot prove me wrong is just low:) Calling Morecelli An Algerian because you do not agree with his views on Domestic Moroccan politics is just another form of "McCarthyism ".
So as someone who lives in the land of the free and the home of the brave, you should know better.
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#42
RE: U.S. Presidential Debate: The Mali Surprise —
2012-11-05 10:50
Quoting man en blanc:
Well MEB,
I too will vote for Hussein, Yes on Prop 30, and NO on 32. You are from LA so you should do the same thing :)
If I vote for Romney, My kids will abandon me. 99% of the kids in their primary school are Obama die hard fans and if you mention ROmney to their parents, they chase you away from the PTA meetings.
I Don't read long posts. I have the attention span of a Marrakesh debana!
And I know I am not missing much.
Can we stop being Moroccans on this board for a second? As in no one want to read the endless crapola that some of you Moroccans tend to feel entitled to spew?
Moroccans'major contribution to this environment, as far as I am concerned, is nothing but hot air! Smelly, stinking hot air! been to Derb Ghalef Lately? As smelly as ever!
Vote Obama, and make the world a better place! Vote Romney, and make Derb Ghalef even slinkier! As if that could be possible!
Yeah Morcelli will vote for Romney. He is Algerian after all. (maybe) And he dreams of Republicans zombies marching into Dakhla , and Marines invading Tindouf with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders pompowing the Moroccan Reclamation of our Sahara! I am so damn confused now: Who's on our side again for the made-up- Sahara issue? We are on our own buddy! We are our worse enemy here.
Give me a break! Moroccans could give a toba's derriere about your precious Sahara. It's all about survival. And no one knows more about survival than BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
Well MEB,
I too will vote for Hussein, Yes on Prop 30, and NO on 32. You are from LA so you should do the same thing :)
If I vote for Romney, My kids will abandon me. 99% of the kids in their primary school are Obama die hard fans and if you mention ROmney to their parents, they chase you away from the PTA meetings.
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#43
Keep your Censorship in Morocco —
2012-11-05 15:43
Asking Morocco Board not to post "Algerian"'s comment is the lowest of the low.
Com'on people, this is not comissariya 2eme. I simply cannot believe that they are still people who think that hiding their ill doing under the rug is the way to go. I am simply shocked that they are people who live in the United States of America, the greatest country on earth who still have not learned that this country is successful because of its freedoms.
I happen to disagree with Algerian on many issues regarding the Moroccan Sahara but I will never ask MB to censor his comments.
If anything we should command his resiliency however wrong, the guy keeps comming back because he finds some value in this board, on many occasions he said that he has the utmost respect for Morocco and Moroccans, that's more than enough for me, I just wish that he set aside his biases to his generals and do as many of us do, when the Makhzen does wrong, we hold them accountable and we say it the way it is.
Yes I understand that his stubbornness when it comes to the Sahara can be annoying and nerve wracking still he does have a point in other areas, Hassan II made a big mistake offering referendum, he also made a mistake signing a cease fire with the Polisario, should have worked with the Algerians and not play hard to get.
It is also true the Moroccan government is relentlessly asking Algeria to open the borders, and the Algerians said NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
What I don't like is when our Friend Algerian keeps telling us that the Poroblem is between Morocco and Polisario and he knows that is not the case, I think he should move out from Bouteflika's lingo and recognize that Polisario without Algeria is nothing and the problem is more between Morocco and Algeria and only through negotiations between Morocco and Algeria we could see some light, unfortunately Algeria is so intent in destroying Morocco, they will never come to the negotiation table.
Com'on people, this is not comissariya 2eme. I simply cannot believe that they are still people who think that hiding their ill doing under the rug is the way to go. I am simply shocked that they are people who live in the United States of America, the greatest country on earth who still have not learned that this country is successful because of its freedoms.
I happen to disagree with Algerian on many issues regarding the Moroccan Sahara but I will never ask MB to censor his comments.
If anything we should command his resiliency however wrong, the guy keeps comming back because he finds some value in this board, on many occasions he said that he has the utmost respect for Morocco and Moroccans, that's more than enough for me, I just wish that he set aside his biases to his generals and do as many of us do, when the Makhzen does wrong, we hold them accountable and we say it the way it is.
Yes I understand that his stubbornness when it comes to the Sahara can be annoying and nerve wracking still he does have a point in other areas, Hassan II made a big mistake offering referendum, he also made a mistake signing a cease fire with the Polisario, should have worked with the Algerians and not play hard to get.
It is also true the Moroccan government is relentlessly asking Algeria to open the borders, and the Algerians said NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
What I don't like is when our Friend Algerian keeps telling us that the Poroblem is between Morocco and Polisario and he knows that is not the case, I think he should move out from Bouteflika's lingo and recognize that Polisario without Algeria is nothing and the problem is more between Morocco and Algeria and only through negotiations between Morocco and Algeria we could see some light, unfortunately Algeria is so intent in destroying Morocco, they will never come to the negotiation table.
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#44
We drifting away —
2012-11-06 07:07
The main topic is the article by Mr Massiky, which I think was a well balanced, well thought, well articulated piece of informative writing.
Reading the criticism he received and checking the facts for myself, made me like his writing even more, and value his professionalism , the Algerian column in here just exposed themselves by attacking him... another time,
PS: The Algerian guy, with some help, is just diverting the discussion to whether we should Censorship or sponsorship Algerian Puke in this forum... let's not forget that MB, and rightly so, is already doing a lot of cleaning, otherwise god knows the amount of hate that would be around... I think a common ground for us to keep our censorship in Morocco is they leave (like it's possible) their puke in Algeria...
Reading the criticism he received and checking the facts for myself, made me like his writing even more, and value his professionalism , the Algerian column in here just exposed themselves by attacking him... another time,
PS: The Algerian guy, with some help, is just diverting the discussion to whether we should Censorship or sponsorship Algerian Puke in this forum... let's not forget that MB, and rightly so, is already doing a lot of cleaning, otherwise god knows the amount of hate that would be around... I think a common ground for us to keep our censorship in Morocco is they leave (like it's possible) their puke in Algeria...
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#45
to Algerian GET OUT OF OUR FORUM —
2012-11-06 09:51
I don't care for you and I despise you and all the people who govern and rape your land and your people... and whose policies you are defending now and here...
We crossed swords before, and you still have the wounds from it, I could go through your post point by point, to show you how wrong and pointless your arguments are, but that would be a waste of time, I am more interested in positive and constructive exchange, with OTHER MOROCCANS, sticking to the main topic and not drifting here and there, trying to build something, because, you see, cutting each others heads, is not a national hobby, not on this side of the borders...
If you are proud of them generals that govern your country, and you defend their policies with regard to my Beloved country, if you support closing the borders, and backing the polisario, GET OUT OF OUR FORUM, don't come here to throw up in our plate... YOU ARE NOT WELCOME, go behind your borders, why do you care what we think, say or write, GET OUT... Go BEHIND YOUR CLOSED BORDERS...
Finally, I do not remember calling anyone Algerian, unless they admit to it, in which case, calling them Algerian wouldn't be the first insult that comes to mind, I would call them a rat, the worse rat, a DRS rat...
We crossed swords before, and you still have the wounds from it, I could go through your post point by point, to show you how wrong and pointless your arguments are, but that would be a waste of time, I am more interested in positive and constructive exchange, with OTHER MOROCCANS, sticking to the main topic and not drifting here and there, trying to build something, because, you see, cutting each others heads, is not a national hobby, not on this side of the borders...
If you are proud of them generals that govern your country, and you defend their policies with regard to my Beloved country, if you support closing the borders, and backing the polisario, GET OUT OF OUR FORUM, don't come here to throw up in our plate... YOU ARE NOT WELCOME, go behind your borders, why do you care what we think, say or write, GET OUT... Go BEHIND YOUR CLOSED BORDERS...
Finally, I do not remember calling anyone Algerian, unless they admit to it, in which case, calling them Algerian wouldn't be the first insult that comes to mind, I would call them a rat, the worse rat, a DRS rat...
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