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Morocco Key To Brokering Mali Conflict

Washington  /  Morocco News  Board --  In an interview with French television channel TV5, Morocco’s Prime Minister, Abdelillah Benkirane, stated, “Algeria does not want that Morocco intervenes in Mali, I don't know why... ». Mr. Benkirane is either sarcastic or clueless. Regardless, Morocco’s absence in Mali is inexplicable and inexcusable. Calls from the Malian government and different Tuareg movements for a more active Moroccan diplomacy in resolving the crisis in the North went perplexingly unheeded.

Counterinsurgency lessons from Afghanistan and Yemen have shown that the secret to winning rests on finding dependable and capable local groups that can assist in securing territories for the long run. French and Malian troops will perpetually struggle in securing Northern Mali unless they obtain the support of local Touareg groups including the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA). The coalition forces’ failure to secure parts of Afghanistan outside Kabul is due in large part to the weakness and unreliability of the Afghan National Army, while the American relative success in Yemen is credited to local tribes assisting foreign troupes in fighting Al-Qaeda. MNLA forces are the military answer to securing Northern Mali. France is making a strategic error by selling the Touareg cause to secure Algeria’s support for its mission in Mali. By refusing to address the legitimate demands of the Touregs and allying itself with Algeria, France is turning the locals in the North against its operation; and thus making its military’s job harder and driving religious Tuaregs to join Al-Qaeda affiliates.

Instead of coddling the Algerian anti-Touareg position, France should encourage the Mali government to compromise with the MNLA and other secular Touareg groups. The failure to secure local support will spell trouble for French interests in the Sahel and endanger the very existence of the Malian state.

By ignoring protests from the Touareg elders and turning a blind eye to extrajudicial killings against ethnic Arabs in the North, France is playing into the hands of the Algerian government. Today, under the French intervention, the Malian society has become polarized between Northern and Southern. France and Algeria will eventually have to deal with the intended consequences of such shortsighted approach. In fact, at the end of the day, The Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb will be, without a doubt, the winner in Northern Mali.

In spite of Algeria’s stealth campaigns to discredit Morocco's efforts as attempts by Rabat to score point against Algiers in their conflict over the Western Sahara, Morocco’s should forge ahead with diplomatic plans to put an end to the bloodshed in Mali. The death of 25 Chadian troops, the ongoing fighting between the Franco-Malian forces and members of armed groups on the Algerian borders and the disturbing racially motivated revenge killings of Touareg and Arabs underline the need for an outside mediator.

Although the conflict in Mali is depicted as a war on Islamist groups that took over the northern part of the country, the Touareg rebellion is at the heart of the Malian crisis and the key to resolving it. As such, the Moroccan diplomacy should propose a resolution to this conflict based on a marriage of the Touareg and Arab population’s demands for local self-rule with the right of the Malian state to protect its territorial integrity.

Despite French Military intervention and Algerian counterproductive maneuvers, Morocco remains in a unique position to assist the Malian state and help Paris achieve a fair and durable solution to the crisis. Facing a separatist movement of its own and harboring a long tradition of historic and religious relations with Malians of all ethnic backgrounds, the Kingdom is well suited to propose resolutions that will gain the confidence of both Touareg rebels and the Malian government.

The government of Bamako remains weary of Algeria’s intentions in the region. The cozy relationship between the Algerian military and the terror group Ansar Eddine and Algeria’s history of backing certain Touareg movements spoiled Algerian diplomatic role in the Sahel. For its part the MNLA, the chief Touareg movement, consider Algeria an obstacle to achieving local autonomy in the Azawad, since the Algerian government is facing social tension in the South where young Saharan in the Provinces of Ouargla et Laghouat have been protesting their living conditions.

France and Mali need an honest broker that commands the trust of all parties. Morocco is that negotiator; unfortunately, Rabat remains unengaged despite the obvious positive diplomatic outcomes of such undertaking.

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Yasine
0 #1 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictYasine 2013-02-25 18:04
Why don't we work together? (Algeria and Morocco)
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Morcelli
+2 #2 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictMorcelli 2013-02-25 21:38
The days where Morocco used to get involved in conflicts and taking sides are gone. We are not in Hassan II era, Time magazine reporter once asked M6 about something that I do not recall, M6's reply was "Morocco first".

M6 concern is the Moroccan people first and foremost. He knows that he is probably the last king that will govern, he knows that his son will rule and he wants to make it easy on his son to rule a l'espagnole in a constitutional monarchy.
Hassan II is dead and Morocco is not what it used to be, taking risks and chances on things we do not know the outcome.

Gone the days we used to jump in the fire without thinking about the consequences. Moroccan life is bit more valuable than before, so Mr Hassan, you have become outdated in your thoughts, let us fix our problems first before we fix Mali, Chad, or Somalia.

No wonder the Algerians are always suspicious of us, when they hear Moroccans coming up with crazy ideas.

They want Mali? they can have Mali, Niger, and Burkina fasso if they want, We have much on out plate to think about Mali.
Not far back Mali was supporting the Polisario is you recall.

I know that you want Morocco to counter Algerian maneuvers is the Sahel because they succeeded in isolating Morocco. Look, we are not sharing borders with Mali, but they are. So let them deal with Mali the best way they know how, They have the Moroccan Sahara to think about and if they want to worry about Mali as well, let them do do that. who is suffering in all this? isn't the Algerian citizen?
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riffi
0 #3 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali Conflictriffi 2013-02-26 00:07
Don't even think about it,let's us far from that circus bla klaa like we say in morocco.keep our borders closed and our electronic wall active and let's have some pop corn and........ Algeria made that mayhem. All those sahel countries are supporting algeria against morocco and it's sahara,now let them eliminate each other and do the job for us,in the end they will be all tired and us fresh and ready to harvest.that's the way is the geopolitics the winner take it all no sharing.countri es have to start to pay for their mistakes, it is the only way they will learn,no free bee's.
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Maghrebian
0 #4 The evil of the regionMaghrebian 2013-02-26 00:53
Morocco should stay out of it. Let The Algerian regime make it worse as it is the one behind all the troubles of the region. Sooner or later this regime will pay the price of its wrong doings.
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Morcelli
+3 #5 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictMorcelli 2013-02-26 17:08
Mr. Hassan et all,
I have what I perceive a much better idea than going to war with Mali.

How about making piece and establish full diplomatic relationship with Israel?

Why have war when we can have peace. Israel is very keen to have us back and a relationship with Israel is a win win situation. It's the best the thing that can happen to Morocco, playing hide and seek with Algeria is so outdated now. We need to start thinking outside the box people.
Egypt and Jordan did just that and got billions from uncle Sam. Why not Morocco? After all a million Israeli is of Moroccan decent and we have more in common with Israel.

We should also pursue a full membership with GCC Countries, didn't they invite us to join and even in the process of handing Morocco an easy 5 billion greens?

Why are you pursuing Algeria? they have decided to get embroiled in Mali and western sahara, the Sahara is in Morocco and in Morocco it will stay forever.

Let the feed the Polisario using resources that could be spent on the Algerian people.

Let them send incompetent agents as we see in this board to undermine Moroccans.

My Moroccans friends, let us forge ahead with the new world order and down with Panarabism. Nasser and hafid al assad are long dead.

We can't afford to be stuck in the past. Israel is a tiny country and their budget is 100 times bigger than ours.

Let the Algerian agents keep repeating to you that we have no nif and we should not kiss the king's hand.

This is what's important to them. nif, wdan, rjal, laqdam ....ect
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Morcelli
0 #6 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictMorcelli 2013-02-26 23:47
Guys, check out the cancer stricken midget. May he rot in hell!

www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/bb091d85-0c39-49fc-ab66-27d6b253ef34

Another reason for us to pursue re establishing our diplomatic relations with Israel.

I am telling you folks, we would be naive to even think that Algeria is interested in any peace with Morocco.
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man en blanc
0 #7 ENOUGH IS MORE THAN BAZZAFF!!!man en blanc 2013-02-26 23:50
You've almost won me over cher Morcelli before you doused me with icy waters by mentioning the nefarious GCC fiefdoms.
Damn it!
I still like you. I like 98% what you said. Morocco should stay clear of the shenanigans engulfing the backwardness-sl aved Arab world. Hassan II, in one of his rare moments of statesmanship, once said : Arabs are incapable of waging war or making peace! How true is that? It was true 35 years ago when he said it, it's true today, and it will be true 35 years from now! (one hopes it's only 35 years)
Do we really need to occupy ourselves with Algeria? Algeria has so many insurmountable problems. The attack on the refinery in Southern Algeria is just a taste of things to come. A self-inflicted wound, more like a serious gash if you ask me, but self-inflicted nonetheless thanks to the sleazy maneuvers of the DRS. They thought they can coddle the Islamists in the Sahara into creating mayhem in Mali, Mauritania, Libya...etc and sparing Algeria. HA!
Look it up folks! Algeria made a deal with the devil, and NOW it is in the cross-hairs of the AQIM, and other alphabet soup desert varieties of sandal clad murderous wanna-bes.
They want Algeria BAD!
So here's the plan brothers and sisters Moroccans : soon the European Union will classify Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. Once that's done, we will lobby the US State Department to accord the same status to Algeria!
Trust me it's easy. The US intelligence agencies KNOW that Algeria is in bed with various terror groups in the Sahara. Hell, even the New York Times reported it.
Something to ponder brothers and sisters.
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Algerian
-1 #8 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictAlgerian 2013-02-27 07:54
Man en blanc,

Bless your heart:) You do know that Hizb Allah is a organiztional group and Algeria is an actual country right.
Just google Algeria and In Amenas and you will see what Western media and gov. Have to say about Algeria, its used as a reference and even Cameron made 180 degree change in his position toward Algeria but the problem here is that some Moroccans take some of their dreams for ...... reality.

The thing I really dont get about Some Morocans is that on one hand Algerians are evil, butchers....... etc. on the other hand they wont stop begging for the reopening of the borders, again I am not talking abiut Moroccans living in THeUS I am talking about your government, please for the love of god, ask them to stop begging and the latest installment was Benkiran on France 5 where on ONe hand he was. Criticizing Algeria in regard to the WS dossier and on the other hand he was talking about how thw borders were open on the Moroccan side but the .......Algerian s still refuse to open their side, its called having some dignity and self respect are you guys aware of such things?
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Morcelli
+1 #9 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictMorcelli 2013-02-27 11:36
Man en blanc,
I think we should have an open mind. I am not asking to get married to the GCC, I am simply asking that we continue our economic relation with them and if we we can solidify this relationship with a membership to the GCC, that's a win for Morocco. Thanks to the GCC infrastructure build in Morocco, we were able to attract 10 million tourists and the plan is to bring 20 million in 2020. Tourism is Money in Morocco.

If not for Saudi Arabia and UAE, Algeria will eat you alive bro. Membership to the GCC would be a nightmare for Algeria and the death of the so called Arab Maghreb Union or it could put pressure on Algeria to come to the table which is VERY unlikely. Remember M6 regardless of how we feel about the Monarchy, he said it better " Morocco first". I am not sure if you followed the events in Algeria when the GCC invited Morocco and Jordan to join, their official news media which is basically every single news media went bizerk attacking Morocco.

There are times when we need to set aside how we personally feel about the others for the benefit of all and in this case Morocco will certainly be better off.

We should not be forced to be hostage to this imaginary Maghreb Arab Union that never was. As I said on several occasions, we need to start thinking outside the box and taking risks because frankly, what do we have to lose?

Look at the article from Aljazeera in my previous post about their little prez, He came out of nowhere to again F&&#&#& with us for no obvious reason.
Are we going to always stay put and watch their little creep throw punches at us?

We've got to defeat them at their own game by any means necessary (Malcome X).

One way of doing this is to establish full diplomatic relationship with Israel, Join the GCC, consolidate our relationship with Europe and the US and even charm the the Russians and the Chinese. As for Mali and all that mess, let the Algerian have them. We would gladly help.
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Morcelli
+2 #10 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictMorcelli 2013-02-27 14:13
Man en blanc et all,
Here is another reason why Morocco should do what it can to join the GCC. As a member of the GCC, all GCC member will come out and support Morocco openly by declaring that the Sahara is Moroccan will remain Moroccan and any attack on Morocco will be considered an attack on the GCC. The same thing agreement Nato and the GCC has.

Algeria is extremely worried that such a scenario takes place, and we all know the GCC will finance Morocco to defend itself as it is the case right now. You can't say the same thing about Algeria whose sole purpose is defeat Morocco to the ground.

Israel is very powerful country and Morocco could be the catalyst for peace between the GCC and Israel. Can you imagine what this will do to the Algerian who love to hate.

Dude, We have a plan to head to Universal Studios with the kids, perhaps we get a chance meet in LA and talk some more about this.

I am still laughing about you saying the butchers next doors are not getting their money working for them hiring incompetent agents that we see here.
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haras
0 #11 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali Conflictharas 2013-02-27 16:02
to the DUMB Algerian,

Do you even know that closing borders is a hostile policy? it is one step from starting an actual war, and it is a "DE FACTO" economic war...

Those guys know nothing, they've been killing each other so much, they forgot what NORMAL relations mean!!! not friendly or brotherly.. just normal relations...

I'll help you, next time, when you see your neighbor, try and smile, and why not, every now and then, "beat him" to Salamou alikoum, oh oh, wrong choice of words, I meant be first to say Salamou Alikoum...
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haras
0 #12 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali Conflictharas 2013-02-27 16:05
At the risk of repeating myself, to all those who advocate closing the borders between Morocco and Algeria, why are you on MOROCCOboard???
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Oh Darling!
0 #13 So scaredOh Darling! 2013-02-27 16:25
Thank you for being so nice to me, to us to them.

So you are so scared from Algeria, I thought Moroccans are brave and courageous people.

Do you really need Israel and GCC to have peace?
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Oh Darling!
0 #14 Is it true?Oh Darling! 2013-02-27 16:53
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Oh Darling!
0 #15 Pourquoi le Maroc a pris le contre-pied de son histoire?Oh Darling! 2013-02-27 16:55
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Siiiimo
+3 #16 Long Live the RegionSiiiimo 2013-02-28 07:54
To my dear Algerian brother, shame on you for taking the side of the gang running Algeria. Do you know how many Algerians perished in the war of independence? 1.5 MILLION Algerians! This number is so atrociously steep; the price of a free Algeria was paid for with that great sacrifice and accordingly the end result gains must resemble this sacrifice in proportion. However look at the Algeria you have today, look out your window, watch the idle vacant faces of innocent Algerians who thought their parents paid for dignity. I hope you do not say it was worth it because you would be cheapening the memory of those brave martyrs.

Do Algerians consider such things as forging a great civilisation or do they wish to be always appealing to Europeans.
As the great thinker Mahdi Al-Manjra remarked, no economic grouping of less than 100 million people shall enter the 21st century with dignity. We see his words validated if we look at our countries.

Civilisation does not flourish in spite of isolation.

Open the borders for the sake of civilisation.
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Morcelli
+1 #17 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictMorcelli 2013-02-28 08:46
Please please please watch this documentary,

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Algerian
-2 #18 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictAlgerian 2013-02-28 09:09
@Haras,
For.calling me dumb Algerian I am just going to say the following

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم أعرض عن الجاهل السفيه فكل مـا قـال فهـو فيـهما ضر بحر الفرات يومـاً إن خاض بعض الكلاب فيهإذا سبنـي نـذل تزايـدت رفعـه وما العيب إلا أن أكـون مساببـهولو لم تكن نفسـي علـى عزيـزة مكنتهـا مـن كـل نـذل تحاربـهولو أنني اسعـى لنفعـي وجدتـن كثير التوانـي للـذي أنـا طالبـهولكننـي اسعـى لأنفـع صاحبـي وعار على الشبعان إن جاع صاحبهوجدت سكوتي متجـراً فلزمتـه إذا لم أجد ربحاً فلست بخاسـرما الصمت إلا في الرجال متاجر وتاجره يعلو علـى كـل تاجـر

YOu are right Mr Haras, right on point the closing of th borders is a hostile policy and.it was meant to be an economical war against Morocco and its eastern.provinc es as a matter of fact, I am going to let you in on a little secret, The Algerian gov.fightt the drungs on the borders but has been turning a blind eye one gas trafficking you know why? Due to the fact that the gasprice in Algeria is 1/7 of the price in Morocco, every gas station in your eastern provinces is out of business.In other words one day, if er decide or see fit, not a single car can move in that part of the kingdom.
YES we are having a hostie policy, so what? What are you guys going to do about it?
Ohh yes I forgot, the gulf states will send their mighty armjes:)
So dear friend, yiur gov. Officials can cry all day long about it they can even beg on french tv but at the end of the day its goingto be up to us to open the damn borders.
You guys set their and watched your POW' being used as slave labor in Tinduf and could not do a thing abouy it, so keep on dreaming my friends.
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Algerian
-1 #19 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictAlgerian 2013-02-28 12:22
Dear Siiimo

You do not have to remind me of the price paid by Algerians to gain their freedom, but i am not here to defend the regime, i come to this blog to defend my country and its image against the Misinformation and the lies that some of the writers on this blog love to spread.

Is the Algerian regime perfect, the answer is a definite no but i have a policy of not discussing Algerian domestic affairs with Foreigners, just like i usually do not discuss Moroccan domestic affairs unless they are somehow related to Algeria.
Dear siimo before worrying about Algeria, why don't you try to worry about Morrocco, just give me a sign and i will post some interesting reading material, so you can start focusing on your own backyard instead of worrying about Algerians and their....countr y
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Morcelli
0 #20 @TewfikMorcelli 2013-02-28 13:19
Tewfik Boulenouar,
You were absolutely right. You did make me laugh because you are offering us more than what we have ever asked. Not only you are asking Algeria to stop interfering in OUR sahara, you are suggesting economic cooperation.
Either you are smarter than all of us and you know that eventually Morocco will need Algeria and Algeria will need Morocco to survive in the 21st or even 22nd century or you are as you yourself have stated, A Naive soul.

Here in my take on what you have suggested:

Couple of days ago, Bouteflika came out of his coma and sent a letter to the Polisario chieftain asserting that Algeria will spare no effort to defend "international legality".

I asked myself why is he doing this right now when we have not heard a thing from him in a while?
The answer to my question was very simple: Morocco is trying to get involved in Mali to block the Algerians from bringing Morocco's friends in the Sahel to side with them when it comes to the Sahara.

Morocco can care less if the terrorists are taking over Mali, we do not share any borders with them but Algeria's being the leader in the Sahel will certainly complicate Morocco's effort in the Sahara.

As you can see everything the Moroccans and the Algerians do is to get the apprehend on each other and for as long as the Sahara conflict is alive, we will never have peace.

Algerians keep telling the world that the Sahara is a UN issue and then come out and say that we'll do everything in our power to defend international legality contradict what they are saying.

These are facts, not copying pasting youtube videos depicting events in the 20th century. I know some of the agents are in love with the word "facts". When I give it to them, they do not like it and as my friend man en blanc said it better, the butchers are not getting their money worth hiring incompetent agents.
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Morocco101-Mohamed
+2 #21 Algerian and domestic issuesMorocco101-Mohamed 2013-02-28 13:56
You selective langauge is unreal. No Moroccan here or anywhere else will be duscussing Algerian isses if it was not for the Moroccan Sahara issue. you can pretend that Sahara is btwn Morocco and the Polisario as long as you want but the truth is different.
Anyways you are spending too much here??? I hope you are paid well!!
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haras
+2 #22 To Algerianharas 2013-02-28 14:32
I do not remember insulting you, that is of course unless you suggest that calling you harky is an insult, but, as I understand it, that is not a bad thing in Algeria anymore, it seems you guys have evolved a lot since then, and fighting for the French and dying as a harky, or fighting as an FLN is just the same.

As I understand, the decision to bring BOUDIAF, from his quiet home in Kenitra Morocco, was made during a meeting in the DAF (Deserteur de l'armee francaise) General Nezzar's salon, (watch his testimony on aljazeera), and odds are, the decision to “let go of him”, I mean Boudiaf, because the General is one of them “Untouchables”, was made in the same salon, so I don’t understand, which side are you on…

You come up with the worse piece of Arabic poetry, but I am certainly wrong, I know that you can always find dirtier, you’re Algerian, and you have flair for those things, I just have an issue with the language your “poet” uses, I mean, if this is how he talks when his intention is to stay above… but hey, as I’ve always said, you can’t expect an Algerian to be alive and consistent…

As for the relations between Morocco and Algeria, as I told you many times, the main problem is that you guys might make some seemingly good tactical moves, but you are clueless when it comes to strategy… I’ll walk you through, since you’re Algerian, which is on our side of the border, another word for “helpless on your own”, today, I’ll explain to you the difference between strategy and tactics:
Tactics is you trying to convince us in all your previous posts that the problem between Morocco and Algeria is that, Morocco invaded the Sahara and that Algeria is just taking the legitimate stand…

Strategy is hassling you to the point where your only argument is: “YES we are having a hostile policy, so what? What are you guys going to do about it? “

And since you ask, I’ll give you my answer, we’ll just leave you to yourselves, your own worst enemy… I have to remind you that what you call the million Chahid, most of them were killed by other Algerians, the harkis, when it’s not others in the FLN, only some 50,000 French soldiers lost their lives during that whole war, that the French still refer to as the events in Algeria…

So end of lesson, 3la slamatak,
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Algerian
-1 #23 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictAlgerian 2013-02-28 17:15
@haras

You said"I have to remind you that what you call the million Chahid, most of them were killed by other Algerians, the harkis, when it’s not others in the FLN, only some 50,000 French soldiers lost their lives during that whole war, that the French still refer to as the events in Algeria…

Well its a million an half dear friend, I am not going to explain, justify or even tell you about our revolution because you have history books for that, but i am going to tell you that because of that revolution Algeria is 2,400,0000 Square KM, we liberated every inch of our country plus sum if you see what i mean.
Can you say the same about Morocco? How about Septa, Melila, Canary Islands, "so called southern provinces" or even the little rock few yards from your coasts called Maadnous or Perjil Island, i beeleive you still remember that humiliating experience do you?
Well, as Algerians we do not have that problem, and it does not matter how many french soldiers died at the end of the day they had to pack and leave and take with them the settlers and harkies .

YOu said "Do you even know that closing borders is a hostile policy? it is one step from starting an actual war, and it is a "DE FACTO" economic war...

Those guys know nothing, they've been killing each other so much, they forgot what NORMAL relations mean!!! not friendly or brotherly.. just normal relations...

Let m introduce you to another expression its called" calling your bluff"
youExpected me to deny it, but all what i said is yes, we do have an economical war against you and the reason behind the closing of the border is that we know its hurting your eastern provinces pretty bad, and What are you guys going to do about it?
ill tell you, beg even more.

I see that you are back to your old ways "unless you suggest that calling you harky is an insult, but, as I understand it, that is not a bad thing in Algeria anymore, it seems you guys have evolved a lot since then, and fighting for the French and dying as a harky, or fighting as an FLN is just the same.
"I’ll walk you through, since you’re Algerian, which is on our side of the border, another word for “helpless on your own”,
Plus insulting the memory of of our martyrs.
Well as you must know, Morocco and Moroccans are not perfect either and i can sit here and say very hurtful things about Morocco and Moroccans but as i told you in many occasions i dont have to lower my self to your level to make you look bad and since you did not like the poetry i posted earlier, let me suggest another one that you might appreciate more

قل بما شئت في مسبة عرضي *** فسكوتي عن اللئيم جواب

ما أنا عادم الجواب ولكن *** ما من الأسد أن تجيب الكلاب
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haras
+2 #24 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali Conflictharas 2013-02-28 19:04
Algerian,

What you don't get is that your chouhada, you owe them, but Morocco doesn't owe them a thing, au contraire, they owe MOROCCO, it was the country that stood by their side when they needed a true friend and brother... the rest of you harkys were on the French side

For some reason, you Algerian believe that their martyrdom gave you the right to be hateful and despicable, and that is one shameful lesson to draw from such altruistic action… so this is what they died for??? So that you can come here and remind us of every one of our struggles and how your shameful rulers took the wrong decision to be against us on every one of them struggle... for the only reason to look and be pitiful

Just like for the poetry you seem to enjoy sharing with us, if they filled your mind with this crap, it is just normal that you end up as vengeful as you are...

The more I read your posts the more I understand the mass massacres in your backyard...

PS: don't call me friend
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Algerian
-1 #25 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictAlgerian 2013-02-28 20:41
@haras
Your time is up, i see that there is nothing new under the sky in your last post, except for some more hate and name calling in other words, Zero-value-adde d.


As for the friend thing, its called sarcasm :)
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Borsa
+2 #26 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictBorsa 2013-03-01 09:18
I have to pinch myself when I read what these algerians write here. They all seem to be living in a 1970's bubble devoid of any reality or connection with the real world. The hate spewing Algerian Mafia Regime have done a Job on the algerian populace. They are truly brainwashed and I don't see the relationship between our two nations changing until these Mafia Generals who are nothing more than Harki traitors pretending to be revolutionaries are removed from power.

Algeria is now the lone Sick Man of North Africa.
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Algerian
-1 #27 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictAlgerian 2013-03-01 11:47
Borsa you said" Algeria is now the lone Sick Man of North Africa.
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With all due respect,Lets look at facts, on one hand we have a country with close to 200 billion dollars in foreign reserve( Algeria) and on the other hand we have a country that as of a months ago was 3months away from not being able to feed its people ( Morocco).
Now you tell me who's the sick man of North Africa.
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Riffi
+1 #28 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictRiffi 2013-03-01 12:23
Something about politics of the leaders of africa ,arab,and the planet they are taking the road of the egyptians of Oum Addounya,but they forgot they have their god who lead them by dragging the whole nation by their ears and his name is Rabb Dzair the all mighty general tewfik the guy who pays the salaries of our algerien guest here.Please read below ,very educative article.

www.lematindz.net/news/11082-affaire-sonatrach-2-hocine-malti-ecrit-au-general-mohamed-mediene.html
Affaire "Sonatrach 2" : Hocine Malti écrit au général Mohamed Mediène
Par Le Matin | 17/02/2013 10:41:00 |
Hocine Malti, consultant pétrolier, ancien vice-président de Sonatrach, conseiller du SG de l'OPEAP et auteur de "Histoire secrète du pétrole algérien", paru chez la Découverte, s'adresse dans cette lettre qu'il nous a transmis au patron du Département renseignement et sécurité (DRS).


Hocine Malti.
Cette fois-ci, ce n’est pas à vos collaborateurs enquêteurs que je m’adresse, mais à vous, patron depuis septembre 1990 du tout puissant DRS (Département du renseignement et de la sécurité), Rab Dzayer, le "dieu de l’Algérie". N’est-ce pas ainsi que vous vous êtes présenté un jour de 1999, dans les circonstances que vous savez ? Selon l’adage populaire, "mieux vaut s’adresser au Bon Dieu qu’à ses saints" ; ce que je fais aujourd’hui. Vu que vous êtes en mesure de décider et d’imposer ce que bon vous semble à toute l’Algérie, à tous ses hommes et ses femmes et notamment à toutes ses autorités civiles, militaires, politiques et juridiques, je suis convaincu que vous accorderez des réponses et une suite positives aux questions et requêtes que je m’en vais vous présenter.

Nous venons d’apprendre que, le 10 février 2013, le parquet d’Alger a décidé de lancer une nouvelle enquête sur les affaires de corruption au sein de l’entreprise nationale des hydrocarbures, un dossier qu’il a intitulé "Sonatrach 2". Afin de donner l’impression qu’ils étaient à l’écoute de l’opinion publique et ne pas reconnaître qu’ils se sont en réalité trouvés à la traîne de leurs collègues italiens, les magistrats algériens ont indiqué dans leur communiqué officiel qu’ils avaient déclenché cette enquête suite aux informations rapportées par la presse nationale. Laquelle n’a fait que reprendre, comme vous le savez, les décisions du parquet de Milan telles que diffusées par les médias italiens. Mais la vérité, nous Algériens, la connaissons : nos magistrats étaient en fait dans l’attente d’instructions de votre part afin d’agir ou d’ignorer la tempête médiatique de ces derniers jours. S’ils ont déclenché cette nouvelle enquête c’est que vous, Rab Dzayer, avez donné votre feu vert.

Est-ce un feu net, éclatant et permanent que vous avez donné ou est-il furtif, délavé et clignotant ? Est-ce que les magistrats en charge de l’affaire pourront lancer toutes les investigations nécessaires, les approfondir aussi loin que l’exige la connaissance de la vérité, procéder aux perquisitions adéquates, faire défiler devant les enquêteurs puis à la barre toute personne impliquée de près ou de loin dans ce dossier ? En un mot, pourront-ils agir uniquement en fonction de ce que leur dicte leur conscience, ou devront-ils solliciter à chaque étape de la procédure un nouveau feu vert de votre part ? Allons-nous voir ainsi se relayer dans le bureau du juge d’instruction pour être auditionnés, avant d’être éventuellement inculpés, puis – qui sait – peut-être même condamnés, MM. Chakib Khelil, Farid Bedjaoui, Mohamed Bedjaoui, Réda Hemche, Pierre Falcone, Samyr Ouraïed et tutti quanti ? Comme vous le savez, certaines parmi ces personnes ont agi en qualité d’intermédiaire s au profit de commanditaires invisibles aux yeux du commun des mortels, mais que vous, en tant que Dieu de l’Algérie, connaissez parfaitement. Alors est-ce trop rêver qu’imaginer que certains de vos collègues généraux ou généraux-majors , certains ministres, certains hommes d’affaires véreux, certaines personnes qui évoluent dans la coupole dont vous êtes le point culminant ainsi que certains membres d’une certaine fratrie seront également déférés devant la justice ?

Verra-t-on aussi les corrupteurs italiens, chinois, français ou canadiens – la liste est loin d’être exhaustive – être entendus par le juge d’instruction en charge de l’affaire ou répondre de leurs actes dans le cadre de commissions rogatoires ? Ou alors, est-ce que, comme d’habitude, seul le « menu fretin » fera l’objet de la nouvelle procédure ? Les Italiens, eux, n’ont pas hésité : c’est à un énorme déballage qu’ils viennent de procéder ; ce qu’ils ont découvert et révélé n’est d’ailleurs que la partie visible de l’iceberg. Ils se sont aussi attaqués aux plus hauts responsables de l’ENI, qui sont dans leur pays de puissantes personnalités politiques, à l’inverse des managers de la Sonatrach, P-DG inclus, qui ne sont que des technocrates au service des gens du pouvoir réel, dont vous-même. Alors, allez-vous faire comme les Italiens ? Ou faudra-t-il que l’on reste à l’écoute des nouvelles en provenance du parquet de Milan pour connaître la triste réalité de notre pays, pour découvrir comment certaines personnes que vous connaissez parfaitement, des personnes que vous avez souvent côtoyées lors de votre longue carrière professionnelle , se sont gavées de millions de dollars et d’euros piochés dans la rente pétrolière du pays ? Et ce avec votre accord tacite, si ce n’est avec votre bénédiction. Savez-vous quels sont les trois termes qu’utilisent les milieux d’affaires et financiers à travers le monde pour qualifier l’Algérie ? Corruption, incompétence et banditisme.
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haras
+2 #29 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali Conflictharas 2013-03-01 14:01
Algerian,

You don't get it, there is no added value in here, unless you were DUMB before...

But then again, that supposes that one knows what added value is, I'll give you an example.

You like so much to talk about the people from the Eastern provinces of Morocco, and enjoy so much to think are suffering from the closed borders, but here are a couple of things you need to know...

Those are the people that harbored directly your revolution, who liked your people as proved by the many mixed marriages in the region, with whom your current president played when he was a kid, and went to school with... those are the same people that used to watch your TV and sing your songs...

Suddenly the borders were open and it was good business (for both sides don't kid yourself) for a short period then the borders were closed.

Now that happened in 1994, 19 years later you still believe that those people are waiting, you are DUMB, they've moved on... and they have no In Amenas to remind them...

If I was in their situation, I would have only one wish, and that wouldn't be to have the borders open, but that a huge volcano/earthqu ake that strike the East and separate the two countries with a sea or an ocean...

That way, they won't have to go to Saaidia or Agadir to get a sunburn...

The trouble is, my wish is nothing of a sarcasm... and the moral of the whole story, is that your whole country has no added value for those people..

But now you'll have to answer, why do you spend so much time on MOROCCOboard???
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Algerian
+1 #30 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictAlgerian 2013-03-01 16:50
Haras,

I do see your point that the people of the eastern provinces have moved on and that no one even remember the evil Algerians....etc.
What actually puzzles me is on one hand we are evil, savages..etc. but on the other hand your gov. officials won't let a a day pass by without begging for the reopening of the border.
In other words, you are preaching to the choir, i am totally agreeing with you ( for once) but the problem is your officials which actually represent your kingdom, please ask them to stop begging, don't they have any shame:)? Again, i am not talking about Moroccans living somewhere in North America, i am talking about the kingdom of Morocco and its representatives.

As for calling me dumb, i am just going to say

متاركةُ السفيه بلا جواب *** أشدُّ على السفيه منَ الجواب
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haras
+1 #31 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali Conflictharas 2013-03-01 23:47
Algerian,

I am just amazed that you are so acquainted with the worst Arabic poetry ever, but you can't blame people for their taste or, in you case, the lack of it...

The Moroccan officials are just been the big guys in the room, the midget is been the midget, life is like a play, and everybody knows their role...

As I said earlier, if you want to be leader, act like one...
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+1 #32 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali ConflictSiiiimo 2013-03-02 13:39
|||"Dear Siiimo

You do not have to remind me of the price paid by Algerians to gain their freedom, but i am not here to defend the regime, i come to this blog to defend my country and its image against the Misinformation and the lies that some of the writers on this blog love to spread.

Is the Algerian regime perfect, the answer is a definite no but i have a policy of not discussing Algerian domestic affairs with Foreigners, just like i usually do not discuss Moroccan domestic affairs unless they are somehow related to Algeria.
Dear siimo before worrying about Algeria, why don't you try to worry about Morrocco, just give me a sign and i will post some interesting reading material, so you can start focusing on your own backyard instead of worrying about Algerians and their....country"|||

You say that you are not here to defend the regime!? Why are your here then? To defend Algeria? Nobody here has attacked Algeria or its people, people have merely attacked the policies of Algeria that pertain to Morocco.

You must recognise that it is the Algerian regime that is jeopardising the imagine of Algeria. Moroccans are not capable of doing so relative to your regime; your regime does it proficiently by itself.

I like when you said you do not discuss Algerian domestic affairs with foreigners: This tells me you believe in the principle of privacy. We too wish to instate privacy, the privacy of our territorial matters (in the Sahara). Lets be frank, Algerian territory was/has not been effected by the 1975 unification of the Kingdom yet it involves itself in the matter to the greatest degree. The Algerian regime rejects the idea that Morocco exists from Tangier to Lagouira. Your country provides sustenance to people that seek to build a new nation inside our united kingdom.(Talk about invasion of privacy!). Morocco has never done anything that resembles this. This is simply a fact. Forget about what people say, write or believe you cannot compare such meaningless expressions to Algeria's actions; it is action that counts. If you are angry about what a Moroccan writes, we should be infinitely more angry about what Algeria does and has been doing since 1975. In 1975 Algeria expelled almost 50,000 Moroccan families as punishment against Rabat for gaining more Atlantic seaboard in the Green March. Can Algeria do what it wants in its own country? The answer is yes, however there is such thing as human rights. And also you cannot evict innocent people and confiscate their property arbitrarily and act like a champion of oppressed people.

The Algerian regime as the de facto representative of Algeria unquestionably has the right to close its borders to Morocco forever. There are arguments however against such senseless provincialism, such arguments are grounded in being able to see the bigger picture.

I noticed you find it strange that our government seeks an normalized border with Algeria. Why find it strange? Is it not the case that your government refers to Morocco as the "brotherly country" and "brotherly people." Moroccans at all levels realise how ridiculous it is for our link with Algeria to be on the one hand be described as brotherly and on the other hand have an arrangement on the border which does not resemble brotherhood but instead a war footing. You deride the attempt to harmonise the border realities with feelings of brotherhood as "begging." OK wakha, you call it begging all you want. I wonder what do you think of Boutiflika's incessant "begging," to use your terminology, in front of Henry Kissenger, former American secretary of state, to get America involved in the Sahara issue. Kissenger repeatedly told the thick-skinned Boutiflika its not America's business:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/48709529/kissinger-bouteflika

As to your offer to give me "interesting reading material" about my country. Go ahead,give us the links to all the websites, show us how much time you spend on collecting damaging articles about poor little Morocco.
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mbt
0 #33 RE: Morocco Key To Brokering Mali Conflictmbt 2013-03-11 18:15
Morcelli don't even think that a full diplomatic relationship with Israel is a peace solution to anything remotely peaceful. Since Israel has established diplomatic ties with Sri Lanka there has been nothing but stirring hate between the Buddhists (ruling) and Muslim communities, and this in a country that is just coming out of civil war.

Keep Israel away from all things, they are bad bad bad.
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Tewfik Boulenouar
0 #34 Naive SoulTewfik Boulenouar 2013-03-22 16:59
"Eventually Morocco will need Algeria and Algeria will need Morocco to survive in the 21st or even 22nd century" This, my dear friend Mr. Morcelli, is the perfect way to summarize it.
Let's cut the crap and get to work. We have much more to gain by placing the interest of our respectable nations and communities first than making a spectacle of ourselves with our squabbling and the loss of human and financial treasure. Unlike the rest of the so called Arab World we should shift paradigm and think "win-win".
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